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Meridius	Posted - 2006.02.15 06:30:00 - [1] Originally by: Kryptic1 Originally by: Spartan III The retribution can't tackle period. If the slots could just be changed from 5/1/5 to 4/2/5 than it could still have the tankability needed for missions so carebears woudn't whine, but it would actually be able to tackle and be able to do solo PvP or at least tackle in gangs. Have you noticed how every race's AFs (except caldari) include one that has few midslots but does more damage and has more tank, and one that has 3 midslots, but doesn't do as much damage or tank as much? Do you know that Amarr has another(!) AF called the Vengeance, which happens to have 3 midslots? Have you ever thought that maybe if you wanted to have a tackling AF, you could use the vengeance? Have you noticed that the Retribution is the only AF with 1 midslot? To make things worse it gets a useless highslot instead of getting a launcher slot like the Wolf, Enyo or Harpy. The Vengeance is a piece of ****, only a nub would say otherwise. _ __ WE get EVERRYYWHHHEERREEEE!!1 - Imaran
Meridius	Posted - 2006.02.15 06:32:00 - [2] Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Spartan III The retribution can't tackle period. It strikes me that if you want to tackle, you should use a ship that can tackle. Instead of posting that you want your current ship changed to do what you want it to, why not find one that already does what you want it to? All other races get 2 AF's that can tackle, your point is nullified. _ __ WE get EVERRYYWHHHEERREEEE!!1 - Imaran
Meridius	Posted - 2006.02.15 10:06:00 - [3] Originally by: Nyphur You do have a mid slot. Use it. If you're misguidedly using it for an AB or an MWD, might I ask why? It doesn't make a huge difference on an AF to fit an ab or mwd because they are very slow to begin with. The only thing you're going to be tackling is battleships. If you want to tackle, get an interceptor. Stop calling it tackling ffs. You need a web + scrambler to kill anything in EVE. If you web them they warp out (and laugh). If you scramble them they'll fly out of scramble range, warp out (and laugh). It's damage isn't anything special, perhaps you should run the numbers again. 20dps here and there means **** if you can't hold your target. The Wolf can web + scramble The Harpy can web + scramble The Enyo can web + scramble The Retribution can web + get laughed at Get it? _ __ WE get EVERRYYWHHHEERREEEE!!1 - Imaran
Meridius	Posted - 2006.02.15 17:18:00 - [4] Originally by: LWMaverick 120 threads a month about this... Its a GANG ship, so no no and no, its ebil as it is. Stop making all ships the same. /Mav The Enyo, Wolf and Harpy work fine in gangs as well as solo. Thanks for coming out. _ __ WE get EVERRYYWHHHEERREEEE!!1 - Imaran
Meridius	Posted - 2006.02.15 18:55:00 - [5] Originally by: LWMaverick Originally by: Meridius Originally by: LWMaverick 120 threads a month about this... Its a GANG ship, so no no and no, its ebil as it is. Stop making all ships the same. /Mav The Enyo, Wolf and Harpy work fine in gangs as well as solo. Thanks for coming out. Not as extreme as the retribution. Thanks for comming out?.. eh? Uh the Harpy has 4 mids and can use it's best ammo at 20km. Far more usefull to a gang then a Retribution. A Harpy can do 150DPS at 20km with a rack of 150mm II's and 2 magstabs. At this point it will have 74cpu/21 pg free to fit it's 4 mids + high. The Retribution can do 196DPS at 11km with 3 sinks. To match the Harpy's range you have to use ultraviolet which gets you 147DPS at 19km of range. At this point you have 3 cpu and 3 pg free to fill your 2 lows, 1 mid and 1 highslot with This setup has a nice damage peak at 11km over the Harpy but that is useless you want to fly around with 4 empty slots and zero defense. You might as well use a Coercer (and i have) since it does more damage then a Retri in the same defenseless fashion...it's also a fraction the price. So lets try dual light beams, 163DPS at 9.8km. Complete crap compared to the Harpy. You'd have to use standard crystals to get 19km and you'll only be doing 108DPS. Yeah, extreme _ __ WE get EVERRYYWHHHEERREEEE!!1 - Imaran
Meridius	Posted - 2006.02.16 04:09:00 - [6] Originally by: LWMaverick Listen up smarty... Damage is not all now is it? Being able to nos, tank ebil and deal crazy damage at the same time is really useful, and the Retribution does all that really really good. And don't give me that "but harpy tanks better with a gisti Sb..." cause imagine a Retribution with faction reps/hardners/nos? /Mav Being able to nos wow, with 1 whole small nos. Insane! Please stop pumping this forum with tripe and paste in your leet Retribution setup. You do have one don't you? Paste it so i can tear it. _ __ WE get EVERRYYWHHHEERREEEE!!1 - Imaran
Meridius	Posted - 2006.02.16 08:08:00 - [7] Originally by: Weirda noob here - but Meridius know Weirda noob already but it is not a piece of **. could use it missing slot (4th mid plz) and a 4th bonus though. @OP: check weirda sig link - post some idea there... when AS get they 4th bonus and the 'weirdo' AS get their missing slot it might not be the issue it is now. The Vengeance gets outdamaged by tech i frigates. I'm sorry, i just can't get past that as it is an Assault Frigate**. _ __ WE get EVERRYYWHHHEERREEEE!!1 - Imaran
Meridius	Posted - 2006.02.16 20:09:00 - [8] Originally by: LWMaverick Man.. your a pain in the ass huh? Here we go: 4 Medium pulses t2 Small dimishing nos Fleeting web(90%) 2 Small t2 armor reps N-type Enegergized thermic(or t2) CPR HS T2 /Mav Wow what a ****ty setup. You'll be racing to your target at a top speed of what, 300m/s with guns that have an optimal of 5km? So is that your role in a gang? By the time you get to your target tech I Rifters would have outdamaged you Why do i bother. _ __ WE get EVERRYYWHHHEERREEEE!!1 - Imaran
Meridius	Posted - 2006.02.16 22:15:00 - [9] Originally by: Wizard Normally aggree with u meridius on your posts but i have to disagree, i love the amarr afs ESPECIALLY the vengeance. ^^cant think of a 1v1 ive lost in my vengeance v any other af/intie from memory, i will however put up no arguement in the debate that the retri needs 1 more mid slot ( take the 5th high away ). Why would you want to use a Vengeance when you can use an Ishkur, do way more damage, pick your damage types and do damage from Harpy like ranges. Originally by: Nyxus OMG the Veng sucks! No Wai! Check that _ __ WE get EVERRYYWHHHEERREEEE!!1 - Imaran
Meridius	Posted - 2006.02.16 22:17:00 - [10] Originally by: Liare Originally by: LWMaverick Originally by: Meridius Originally by: LWMaverick Man.. your a pain in the ass huh? Here we go: 4 Medium pulses t2 Small dimishing nos Fleeting web(90%) 2 Small t2 armor reps N-type Enegergized thermic(or t2) CPR HS T2 /Mav Wow what a ****ty setup. You'll be racing to your target at a top speed of what, 300m/s with guns that have an optimal of 5km? So is that your role in a gang? By the time you get to your target tech I Rifters would have outdamaged you Why do i bother. Yeah why do you bother?.. Youre just another example of a guy that havent flown the ship he is talking about... now bugger off, my setup is tested and i know it works, how about you flame boy? /Mav near total lack of mobility ? check short ranged weapons ? check extremely limited tactical flexibility ? check where is the redeeming part of this setup hidden again ? Quoted for saving me the time _ __ WE get EVERRYYWHHHEERREEEE!!1 - Imaran
Meridius	Posted - 2006.02.17 00:24:00 - [11] Originally by: HippoKing IMO, it shouldn't be changed, and stay as the ultimate gang AF I'm sorry, can someone explain how 20 more dps over the competition makes it the 'ultimate' gang AF? Sounds like bull**** to me. Give it another turret so it leads the DPS race by a significant value. _ __ WE get EVERRYYWHHHEERREEEE!!1 - Imaran
Meridius	Posted - 2006.02.17 02:03:00 - [12] Originally by: Livia Tarquina 20 dmg per second means 600 damage in 30 seconds and 1200 in a minute. Spike damage is good in a ganking situation but DOT builds up in a gang on gang situation. That means **** all when you consider the Retri can't contribute towards webbing or scrambling in a gang. I would rather have another scrambler in my gang then a pathetic 20+DPS Retri. _ __ WE get EVERRYYWHHHEERREEEE!!1 - Imaran

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