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Mona X
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.03.11 16:11:00 -
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 Originally by: Kery Nysell
450m¦ is "massive" ??
Compared to Bantaam.
Originally by: Kery Nysell
Then the hold of my mining BS is humongous, at 1007m¦ ... and let's forget the Mining Barges, the smallest only has 1000m¦ of cargohold (Procurer)
Yes, but how many few days old players can afford them?
Originally by: Kery Nysell
Do you know that a Bantam with 2 Expanded Cargohold I and Caldari Frigate 4 has a cargo hold of 390m¦ ?? And you can raise that with named modules too ...
No, I haven't fly Bantaam since december '05 and my first cargo expaders were installed on my semi AFK mining Badger. :)
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Paul Muhad'dib
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Posted - 2007.03.13 13:50:00 -
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i see people advise newb to jetison*mining that's oki , but some one forgot to tell them about time limits on jetisond cans .....
if u jetison a can name it whit the time it was maked .... why u said ??? cos can last max 2 hr's then it pops if u havent colected it, so u can stay oute 90-105mins before start hauling. u vill then maybe have 2-3 full jetisond can of 27,5k m3 of ore u then have 2 choises, remake the oldest can and continuing mining or wrap it up and start haul .... that's wht i am doing when oute mining :)
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Phenoix1
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Posted - 2007.04.05 04:19:00 -
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Edited by: Phenoix1 on 05/04/2007 04:17:33
Edited by: Phenoix1 on 05/04/2007 04:16:42
I am upset with how this post was handled i have only been playing for about 3 days and most of the information you have put out is way beyond the skills of my and most other noobs that just got to comorant today. If you want to talk about a mining setup go for this
3x 150mm Carbide Rails-- (Why rails you still need protection most of these NOOBS mine alone this will stop you from having to warp out and come back when they leave)
3x Xcel Mining Lazers
1x Small Sheild booster
1x Small Sheild Externder
1x Coprocessor 1
Also i would reccomend getting the skills to fly a badger i think its Frig 3 and industral 1
Get 2 Type e SS altered cargo expanders and your badger now holds over 6000m3 then go buy 2 Giant Cargo Cans(oh yeah and these cans never pop no time limit), launch them both in one field and anchor them. Fly back to your comorant and start mining sure it may be a lil slower then throwing 7 mining lazers on there but atleast you dont have to run when hostile's show up i have been mining in 0.5 sec for 2 days stright and now have over 10mil with this setup.
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.04.05 07:29:00 -
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Dear god, my eyes are bleeding. Mining in frigates/destroyers 
Ok, how should I put this... yeah... well... IT SUCKS.
Cruiser, Battleship or 2nd Mining Barge are a minimum for any (even remotely) self-respecting miner.
If you REALLY want to be a miner amd you just started out recently... give up your current character, start a Minmatar Sebiestor Tinkerer (custom points +2 mem, +3 per) and pick ENGINEER training.
Yeah, *not* prospector, but engineer. Now, all you need to get into the first barge is Astrogeology L3 (which is about half of a day and a few ISK away), and then you need to train Mining IV for strip miner Is...
Sure, you need astrogeo 4 and barge 3 for retreiver, but that's what, another 2-3 days ?
And by then you'll be mining faster as any mining cruiser could.
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Archimedes Lao
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.05.19 07:13:00 -
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As a NEWBIE, a Cormorant makes an excellent miner. I have 3 active weapons, 3 xcel drilling beams, 1 miner II and an off-line salvager. I can kill the rats that show up while I mine, and even salvage their ships (have to take a mining laser off-line but I can put it back when I am done). This is much better than a Bantam for .8 to.6 mining. Of course, by tomorrow I will be in an Osprey. I also figure that when I start out ratting, I will still carry a mining laser on my Cormorant to top off my cargo hold before heading to a station. Remember I am talking about a Cormorant filling the role of a primary miner for a very limited window, but I think you will not find anything better while getting ready for that Osprey.
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Leikung
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Posted - 2007.05.20 03:15:00 -
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Originally by: Cujack Rojaztein
How does this destroyer set up work compare to the Osprey with 3 miner II?
They dont, nor any other cruiser and most BCs.
The Osprey will out mine anything short of a covie and hulk
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Fluffernator
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Posted - 2007.05.20 04:27:00 -
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brutix makes a pretty good battlecruiser miner.... i've seen it done, and the amount of ore it mines is suprising.
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Mykall
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Posted - 2007.05.21 16:28:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Leikung
Originally by: Cujack Rojaztein
How does this destroyer set up work compare to the Osprey with 3 miner II?
They dont, nor any other cruiser and most BCs.
The Osprey will out mine anything short of a covie and hulk
So true.
I have cruiser at level 5 and now get DOUBLE yield. 3 x Miner 2s with mining 4 and astrogeo at 3 nets me about 170 m3 per laser without any MLUs.
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Leikung
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Posted - 2007.05.22 19:56:00 -
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Edited by: Leikung on 22/05/2007 19:54:34
Originally by: Mykall
Originally by: Leikung
Originally by: Cujack Rojaztein
How does this destroyer set up work compare to the Osprey with 3 miner II?
They dont, nor any other cruiser and most BCs.
The Osprey will out mine anything short of a covie and hulk
So true.
I have cruiser at level 5 and now get DOUBLE yield. 3 x Miner 2s with mining 4 and astrogeo at 3 nets me about 170 m3 per laser without any MLUs.
Some ppl still dont understand, and would rather waste isk and time mining with a combat ship.
And they really get thier feelings hurt when we remind them that a destroyers best destiny is as a salvage ship.
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Faye Viper
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Posted - 2007.06.20 08:13:00 -
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Edited by: Faye Viper on 20/06/2007 08:15:57
destroyers make viable miners to be sure. for one all you need to make the destroyer = or > than a mining frigate at frigate level 5. is electronic upgrade level 1 and cpu upgrdes in your low slots. Also use the XCel mining lasers.
IN the case of a destroyer with 2 low slots ( thrasher for example ) 2 cpu upgrades and you are mining = to the mining frigate with MUCH less training time involved. In the case of the Catalyst, 3 cpu upgrades 5 Xcel mining lasers and 1 mining drone. That beats your frigate level 5 by a large margin. And will do you well untill cruiser level 3 or 4 or untill your mining barge, depending on your skills and prefered training path. If you are in your mid or end game then obviously you are wasting your time mining in this or even a frigate with level 5 skill. The point is getting the most m3 of ore per cycle as quickly as possible. and you only need destroyer level 1. That is 30 minutes to an hour depending on your attributes. I would hate to meet the player that considers that *side tracked* :D
Also remember that industrial starts start ony with frigate level 1 and space command level 1. so yeah the wait for cruiser sucks.
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Sidarion
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Posted - 2007.07.18 17:56:00 -
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Actually, you can do more with a Cormorant miner.
I am a Caldari Scientist Prospector, which starts you off with lousy ship piloting skills, but Mining V and a lot of lvl 4s on other mining related skills.
A Cormorant is easy to train for. Here's the setup
High:
2 x ML II
2 x XECL
1 x 125 mm rail
(offline slots)
2 x 125 mm rail
1 x small missile rack
Med:
Shield booster
(offline slots)
salvaged webber
salvaged warp disruptor
Small:
CPU enhancer
I like to keep everything neat, so therefore I have two setups installed into one ship simultaneously. Before I start mining, I simply put the 2 XECLs offline and put all 125mm rails, the missile rack, the webber and the warp disruptor online.
I fly into the Roid field, blast all the rats out of the sky, fly back to station, put XELCs online again, return and start turbo-mining. I get ca. 267 m3 per cycle... which is nice and fast. Good for group mining ops (especially with the Mining Foreman IV that comes with the character setup) and good for solo can mining in secure systems.
In medium secure systems, I just leave 1 XELC offline, which gives me enough CPU to put all weapons online (but not the webber and the warp disruptor).
It helps to train Weapon Upgrades to lvl IV for the CPU gain for turrets :)
I am having tons and tons of fun with that small, fast and versatile ship. Even if it gets blown to bits, with a bit of flying around, you can get it replaced completely for about 1,3 Mil... thats about 2,5 hrs can mining with the Cormorant.
Have fun!
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Haradgrim
Caldari
The Wild Bunch
KA0S Theory
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Posted - 2007.07.18 18:28:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Jacinto Naysmith
Newbie Mining Guide:
1.) Make a new caldari character.
2.) Select Military School -> Operations -> Command -> Captain's Training (starts you with frigate IV)
3.) Train Spaceship Command III
4.) Train Caldari Cruiser I
5.) Buy an Osprey and start mining
Takes less then 24 hours. Once that's done.
6.) Train Mining I, II, III and IV, buy miner II's.
7.) Train Caldari Cruiser II and III
8.) train Astrogeology and Mining Drones
A good osprey mines 3 or 4 times more then a makeshift cormorant. A newbie osprey will mine 50-100% more.
I clicked on this thread after seeing the title to post exactly this, osprey is a great mining vessel for new chars, if you want to make your money mining, use an osprey while you skill up for a barge. It doesn't take too long to get to a retreiver or covetor and it is hugely worth it.
In general: there is no good reason to fly a destroyer for any reason for any race (especially Caldari) unless you can fit t2 guns and have very good support skills....
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Haradgrim
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Lord Loom
Loom Service
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Posted - 2007.07.18 19:19:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Loom on 18/07/2007 19:24:28
Originally by: Haradgrim
I clicked on this thread after seeing the title to post exactly this, osprey is a great mining vessel for new chars, if you want to make your money mining, use an osprey while you skill up for a barge. It doesn't take too long to get to a retreiver or covetor and it is hugely worth it.
In general: there is no good reason to fly a destroyer for any reason for any race (especially Caldari) unless you can fit t2 guns and have very good support skills....
destroyers make great L1 mission runners and excellent (expendable) support poppers in PvP
as for mining in them, I'd advise against it - a Bantam/Burst with Frig 4 (which you'll need for cruisers) mines with basically 3.6 mining lasers, that's good enough for a start so I don't consider the sidestep into destroyers a useful one, better save the money and training time and get an Osprey/Scythe which mines significantly more instead, then train for a Retriever and up if you're serious about mining (don't, ever, bother with the Procurer, I don't even know why the heck this ship is in game except for Skiff invention and barge racing)
and re: thread necro, IMO it's better we teach newbies to stay away from mining destroyers in this one thread than creating a new one every month ;)
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Haradgrim
Caldari
The Wild Bunch
KA0S Theory
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Posted - 2007.07.18 19:28:00 -
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Quote:
(don't, ever, bother with the Procurer, I don't even know why the heck this ship is in game except for Skiff invention and barge racing)
they were originally intended for ninja-mining in low-sec/0.0, but everyone quickly realized how stupid that was...
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Haradgrim
[-WB-]
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Lord Loom
Loom Service
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Posted - 2007.07.19 07:38:00 -
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Originally by: Haradgrim
they were originally intended for ninja-mining in low-sec/0.0, but everyone quickly realized how stupid that was...
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Faye Viper
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Posted - 2007.07.30 21:19:00 -
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The only way a frigate miner can beat a destroyer miner, is with level 5 frig and t2 mining lasers. and even then the catty with cpu upgrades is so close that it does not matter which way you go. But there is something else that is not considered on this topic.
Why train to frig level 5 when in less time you can train electronics 3, electroninc upgrade, and destroyer 1 ? Use that while you train up to a retriever. Then use retriever till you train up even higher.... if you even care to become more efficient in mining.
Sure you will train to frig 5 eventualy anyway.. but by that time, if your interested in mining, you should allready have a retriever. So the entire arguement over wether a desto or a frig is better is kind of stupid. in 2 days you can mine in a desto with 4 or 5 lasers...... or wait 2 weeks or more to do it in a frig lvel 5.... and again to be redundant.. in that same time you can qualify for a retriever. Lets not also forget that in the start of a new character, your main focus is also learning. So what are you going to do? train to level 5 in frig before you even start learning skills? Or mine in a desto while you train up your learning skills and a retriever?
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