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Viera Lynn
Explorer Corps
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Posted - 2013.11.13 02:13:00 -
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Let me preface this idea a little please bear with me.
Brackets. you spend nearly your entire time looking at little brackets which represent ships in space. the size of the bracket represents the size of the ship, a small bracket denotes a frigate/inty and a big one battleships correct? but in combat especially fleet these tiny little brackets look identical, well i propose to do away with our current brackets in place of a far more effective means of displaying ship type/size at a glance, in fact ccp is already doing it though i dont know if they plan to expand on this idea, which is what i hope to further in this thread.
While browsing the news i came across the ISS and this little gem http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/65332/1/Ship_Group_Icons.png
Quote:This will exist in the ISIS only to begin with, but if these icons prove successful in giving quick feedback on ship groups, we don't see why they couldn't be used in other areas of the game.
Why not replace all in game brackets with the new ISIS icons, imagine seeing an entire enemy fleet and instantly knowing their ship comps without having to browse through the overview and sorting tabs / other bs.
Please constructive posts only and no "legacy code cant handle it nerf highsec bs tangents" thanks. |
Zerlestes
Mechanized Industrial Warfare
Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
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Posted - 2013.11.13 02:22:00 -
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+1 i like the idea |
Viera Lynn
Explorer Corps
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Posted - 2013.11.13 02:28:00 -
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I hijacked an old features pic and 2 mins to edit here is a rough draft of what it could look like
http://postimg.org/image/scl5ynoxv/
ideally the icon would face the same as the ship also giving you info on direction it is heading instead of just a static box. |
Karma Codolle
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.11.13 04:57:00 -
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+1 i like this idea.
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Caldari 5
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Northern Associates.
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Posted - 2013.11.13 06:13:00 -
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Yay, I've always hated the "Brackets" not being able to tell the difference between an Industrial and a Battleship without looking at the type column and then trying to remember the Name of the ship type and what type of ship it is. |
Viera Lynn
Explorer Corps
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Posted - 2013.11.13 06:35:00 -
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agreed and i hope that if we show overwhelming support for this idea, perhaps the csm can get it pushed through for the next expansion or even rubicon 1.1
it's so simple and will improve the game so much, in my opinion anyway =) |
Oberine Noriepa
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Posted - 2013.11.13 07:27:00 -
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I like this a lot. The directional stuff is a good idea. |
Maximus Aerelius
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Posted - 2013.11.13 07:42:00 -
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So a bit more "Homeworld" like then? They've already said that they are wanting to this I think so I'm not sure this is a Feature or Idea?
Personally, I like brackets, it's damn hard trying to rep a ship in a fleet when it's in amongst a furball with brackets off I know that much but I fully support CCP in bringing class type brackets in even if it's just on the Tactical Overlay.
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Viera Lynn
Explorer Corps
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Posted - 2013.11.13 07:53:00 -
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Maximus Aerelius wrote:So a bit more "Homeworld" like then? They've already said that they are wanting to this I think so I'm not sure this is a Feature or Idea?
Personally, I like brackets, it's damn hard trying to rep a ship in a fleet when it's in amongst a furball with brackets off I know that much but I fully support CCP in bringing class type brackets in even if it's just on the Tactical Overlay.
well the idea is to get rid of the "brackets" we have now with a more functional ship icon that conveys information more directly without the guess work of "is that a cruiser or battleship sized bracket?" |
Trii Seo
Sabotage Incorporated
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2013.11.13 08:03:00 -
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This is actually a good idea. The UI should be simple an informative and those icons are way better than simple brackets.
Also, while functional they'd give the interface a nice SciFi look. So, +1 from me to that.
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Maximus Aerelius
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Posted - 2013.11.13 08:09:00 -
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/me puts glasses on...nods head.
Ah, I'm with you now. Just got the coffee hitting my system now and I see what you've done on the overview. I have to agree with you. Working out the .5mm difference in box size to what the ship is is a bit of a PITA.
+1 from me and apologies for my dumbarse comment.
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Laner Irondoll
Viziam
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.11.13 08:22:00 -
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+1 |
Thelonious Blake
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Posted - 2013.11.13 08:26:00 -
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The ISIS icons rely also on size as an identification.
While your idea is interesting I personally don't think those icons will give you much more information than what we already have except more visual clutter during fleet battles. |
Viera Lynn
Explorer Corps
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Posted - 2013.11.13 08:35:00 -
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Thelonious Blake wrote:The ISIS icons rely also on size as an identification.
While your idea is interesting I personally don't think those icons will give you much more information than what we already have except more visual clutter during fleet battles.
If you look at the icons, every one is geometrically different, so size and shape together, where what we have now is just... terrible. |
marVLs
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Posted - 2013.11.13 08:37:00 -
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+1 |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction
The Pursuit of Happiness
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Posted - 2013.11.13 08:43:00 -
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Viera Lynn wrote:Let me preface this idea a little please bear with me. Brackets. you spend nearly your entire time looking at little brackets which represent ships in space. the size of the bracket represents the size of the ship, a small bracket denotes a frigate/inty and a big one battleships correct? but in combat especially fleet these tiny little brackets look identical, well i propose to do away with our current brackets in place of a far more effective means of displaying ship type/size at a glance, in fact ccp is already doing it though i dont know if they plan to expand on this idea, which is what i hope to further in this thread. While browsing the news i came across the ISIS and this little gem http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/65332/1/Ship_Group_Icons.pngQuote:This will exist in the ISIS only to begin with, but if these icons prove successful in giving quick feedback on ship groups, we don't see why they couldn't be used in other areas of the game. Why not replace all in game brackets with the new ISIS icons, imagine seeing an entire enemy fleet and instantly knowing their ship comps without having to browse through the overview and sorting tabs. Please +1 if you think this is a good feature
In large fleets the result might not be as visually appealing as you think.
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Viera Lynn
Explorer Corps
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Posted - 2013.11.13 08:47:00 -
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I would imagine an option to use the legacy brackets would remain for those who dont like change =P
this isnt very visually appealing either though. |
Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
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Posted - 2013.11.13 08:50:00 -
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Viera Lynn wrote:Thelonious Blake wrote:The ISIS icons rely also on size as an identification.
While your idea is interesting I personally don't think those icons will give you much more information than what we already have except more visual clutter during fleet battles. If you look at the icons, every one is geometrically different, so size and shape together, where what we have now is just... terrible.
True, but every one of that iccns is a variation of the same basic form, so more diversification might be wanted.
For example you could keep the little red cross for some ship class while another just gets a circle or a simple square and a triangle for yet another ship class etc. etc.
The wonders of geometry supply us with a multitude of easily recognizable forms, even at such small scales as 5mm.
I like your idea tho, just to be clear, that really would be better than ever the same bracket in different sizes.
Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699
Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |
Viera Lynn
Explorer Corps
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Posted - 2013.11.13 09:04:00 -
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or even a customizable set you could choose from and customize icons to your preference. |
Electrique Wizard
Mutually Lucrative Business Proposals
Market and Contract PVP
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Posted - 2013.11.13 09:48:00 -
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Very nice +1 |
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BadSeamus
Chaos Army
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Posted - 2013.11.13 11:10:00 -
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They did this in one of the earlier sisi builds I think and dropped it. I remember maybe a year ago? 18 months? When they were messing with the overview and we had all those overview bugs (ugh remember them!?) As far as I recall it was just the overview that had new icons for ship classes. Don't remember why it got dropped - because they wanted to "do it properly" comes to mind... but its all hazy.
Of course, I could be tripping, but my memory is usually pretty good on this stuff. |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2013.11.13 11:38:00 -
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Before committing to any changes, I would like the icons to be developed to be more specific. The ISIS icons are pretty much as useless for ship identification as the current ones.
I see a "cruiser". But is it a combat cruiser? Is it a recon? Is it a hictor? Is it a logistic ship? Is it a TIII cruiser? All of these are fundamentally different ship classes, yet they share the same icon. |
Omega Tron
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Posted - 2013.11.13 13:18:00 -
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YES! +1
This is just to good an idea, but then again CCP has an excellent record of ignoring good ideas from players. But I always have hope that they will one day be different.
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Radhe Amatin
Shadow State
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2013.11.13 13:39:00 -
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so you want to change the current white square bracket with ship icon bracket.
And how will we make a difference between a falcon, blackbird and rook (same for other t2 hulls)? In this case u still have to scroll through overview becasue they will all have same icon since its the same hull.
And i agree i love this idea aswell. |
Viera Lynn
Explorer Corps
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Posted - 2013.11.13 20:27:00 -
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the new system will tell you at a glance the ship type, right now there is still no difference between a falcon bracket and a caracal bracket, but at least you will be able to tell between a battleship and a cruiser without any guesswork. if you really need to see the ship type you can still check the overview or just zoom in on that particular ship.
unless a specific ship icon was added for every single ship in the game, which i dont think is really necessary? |
Oberine Noriepa
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Posted - 2013.11.16 16:17:00 -
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This could use some more exposure. |
Imadude Ortii
Sandy Hay Inc.
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Posted - 2013.11.16 23:30:00 -
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I like the idea. +1 |
Octoven
Phoenix Productions
Headshot Gaming
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Posted - 2013.11.17 03:33:00 -
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+1 lol I started a thread about this and left the starting process page up while I fooled with Ps haha didnt know one went up in the interm. I love this idea and would like to see it introduced. |
Octoven
Phoenix Productions
Headshot Gaming
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Posted - 2013.11.17 03:38:00 -
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Viera Lynn wrote:the new system will tell you at a glance the ship type, right now there is still no difference between a falcon bracket and a caracal bracket, but at least you will be able to tell between a battleship and a cruiser without any guesswork. if you really need to see the ship type you can still check the overview or just zoom in on that particular ship.
unless a specific ship icon was added for every single ship in the game, which i dont think is really necessary?
I have often had issues with determining if a ship is a battlecruiser or cruiser....or cruiser or destroyer. I know you can just read Type, but it would be nice to have just a glancing look at the overview. I tend to look at icons first because for me an icon gives faster visual information than words do.
As a side note, in case anyone missed the thread I accidentally started concerning this idea, here is a rough glimpse of this idea...such a sexy overview :P
ISIS Overview |
GordonO
iFly Holdings
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Posted - 2013.11.17 22:33:00 -
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Just fix the size of the red crosses. Adding different icons for each ship class is just going to over complicate it and probably add load to the server and client.
So that's a NO (-1) from me
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