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Kyo Kuno	Posted - 2006.02.15 16:22:00 - [1] Now I've heard that with the 3 types of guns, lasers have the highest dps. But where do missiles and drones (assuming you have the max amount of drones possible attacking an enemy) fall under?
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2006.02.15 16:45:00 - [2] Lasers don't have the highest DPS. It's a combo of ship bonus + ship slot layout + gunnery + implants + skills ect that made certain lasers have HIGH DPS. Not accounting resistances and damage types.
DarK	Posted - 2006.02.15 16:48:00 - [3] Lasers have the highest dps of all weapons before skills and bonusses are applied.
Kyo Kuno	Posted - 2006.02.15 16:49:00 - [4] Then which has the highest dps? And how do the other weapon types rank?
Nadec Ascand	Posted - 2006.02.15 16:53:00 - [5] In pure theory its supposed to be hybrid wich have the best DPS... Now in reallity Laser come first OMG our war have been hijack -eris What 0_o LMAO Nadec 4TW - Vanamonde Here start a new WAR => X - Wrangler
Kyo Kuno	Posted - 2006.02.15 16:53:00 - [6] Yes I forgot min and gall ships get damage bonuses. So with all of those skills and bonuses, which has the highest dps? I need to know this for the ultimate showdown of ultimate destiny!!!
DarK	Posted - 2006.02.15 16:53:00 - [7] pardon me, blasters:(
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2006.02.15 16:54:00 - [8] Neutron blaster megathron has the highest DPS in game when considering maxed skills Megapulse Geddons are slightly behind neutronthrons but have far greater range and versatility 800mm Autocannon Tempests are behind pulse Geddons but have far greater falloff than neutronthrons plus can choose their damage type Torp Ravens are behind all turret ships, but they dont have tracking/range problems and never miss their target (though you do have flight time/sig/speed to take into account) Drones are not really classed as a primary weapon. Even on a dominix/Ishtar with maxed skills they wont output as much damage as a torp raven My Latest Vid (16/11/05)
Nadec Ascand	Posted - 2006.02.15 16:56:00 - [9] Originally by: Eyeshadow Neutron blaster megathron has the highest DPS in game when considering maxed skills Not given the fact u miss 1/5 shot... OMG our war have been hijack -eris What 0_o LMAO Nadec 4TW - Vanamonde Here start a new WAR => X - Wrangler
Kyo Kuno	Posted - 2006.02.15 16:56:00 - [10] Originally by: Eyeshadow Neutron blaster megathron has the highest DPS in game when considering maxed skills Megapulse Geddons are slightly behind neutronthrons but have far greater range and versatility 800mm Autocannon Tempests are behind pulse Geddons but have far greater falloff than neutronthrons plus can choose their damage type Torp Ravens are behind all turret ships, but they dont have tracking/range problems and never miss their target (though you do have flight time/sig/speed to take into account) Drones are not really classed as a primary weapon. Even on a dominix/Ishtar with maxed skills they wont output as much damage as a torp raven Ah thanks. I was thinking of going gall ships instead of Amarr because the MWD bonus of the thorax which I like very much. The damage bonus is good too.
Kyo Kuno	Posted - 2006.02.15 16:57:00 - [11] At the moment, I'm more interested at the cruiser level. I'm hoping large blasters will be fixed when I get to Battleships. I heard they eat cap and have crap tracking.
sgt spike	Posted - 2006.02.15 17:05:00 - [12] can you fit large neutron blasters on a megathron? can you put a price on peace?
Lexor SLice	Posted - 2006.02.15 17:38:00 - [13] Originally by: Kyo Kuno At the moment, I'm more interested at the cruiser level. I'm hoping large blasters will be fixed when I get to Battleships. I heard they eat cap and have crap tracking. out of the cruiser and BC class, the astarte has the highest DPS, nearly that of a full neutron blasterthron. for single volley damage, the sleipnir cant be beat. /me puts up his estamels modified sig invul field. cant touch this :-)
Naughty Boy	Posted - 2006.02.15 18:11:00 - [14] Edited by: Naughty Boy on 15/02/2006 18:13:35 Originally by: Eyeshadow Neutron blaster megathron has the highest DPS in game when considering maxed skills Megapulse Geddons are slightly behind neutronthrons but have far greater range and versatility 800mm Autocannon Tempests are behind pulse Geddons but have far greater falloff than neutronthrons plus can choose their damage type Torp Ravens are behind all turret ships, but they dont have tracking/range problems and never miss their target (though you do have flight time/sig/speed to take into account) That's very arguable, it depends on many parameters. Torp raven isn't behind most other battleships in damage output VS battleship sized targets when accounting resistances, for instance. @OP: as Famine pointed out, it really depends on the ship, the ship skill level and the bonuses, the fitting and the resistances of the opponent, and the circumstances (speed/size of the opponent, /range)... You might want to check the spreadsheet linked in my sig, it's a bit complex but would allow you to compare the damage output of a ship under various circumstances. Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy.
Kyo Kuno	Posted - 2006.02.15 18:42:00 - [15] Edited by: Kyo Kuno on 15/02/2006 18:46:33 huh.... I'm checking the spreadsheet thing. Maybe I'm not doing this right but I set it to 3 ships. Armaggedon, Tempest, and Megathron. Then I set the weapon to tachyon, 425mm AC, and Electron blasters respectively. The Tempest is said to have the highest Damage/Time. Though both Tempest and Megathron drop in damage per second real fast as you get farther away. The Armaggedon stays constant for a farther range.
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.02.15 18:50:00 - [16] Edited by: LUKEC on 15/02/2006 18:50:32 nm, i won't comment ships i fly. I use no guns... i smack to death.
Gian Bal	Posted - 2006.02.15 18:52:00 - [17] Originally by: Kyo Kuno Edited by: Kyo Kuno on 15/02/2006 18:46:33 huh.... I'm checking the spreadsheet thing. Maybe I'm not doing this right but I set it to 3 ships. Armaggedon, Tempest, and Megathron. Then I set the weapon to tachyon, 425mm AC, and Electron blasters respectively. The Tempest is said to have the highest Damage/Time. Though both Tempest and Megathron drop in damage per second real fast as you get farther away. The Armaggedon stays constant for a farther range. why do u compare a tachyon with an electron blaster???
Kyo Kuno	Posted - 2006.02.15 18:53:00 - [18] Originally by: Gian Bal Originally by: Kyo Kuno Edited by: Kyo Kuno on 15/02/2006 18:46:33 huh.... I'm checking the spreadsheet thing. Maybe I'm not doing this right but I set it to 3 ships. Armaggedon, Tempest, and Megathron. Then I set the weapon to tachyon, 425mm AC, and Electron blasters respectively. The Tempest is said to have the highest Damage/Time. Though both Tempest and Megathron drop in damage per second real fast as you get farther away. The Armaggedon stays constant for a farther range. why do u compare a tachyon with an electron blaster??? I'm not familiar with what battleships fit. sorry
Haniblecter Teg	Posted - 2006.02.15 18:57:00 - [19] Full rack of heavies + maxxed drone skills nets 400 a sec I thought. ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever
Naughty Boy	Posted - 2006.02.15 19:08:00 - [20] Edited by: Naughty Boy on 15/02/2006 19:08:14 Try comparing to armageddon with megapulses (and apoc with megapulse). Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy.
OrangeAfroMan	Posted - 2006.02.15 19:53:00 - [21] I'd say Neutronthron has highest dps... Dont forget its drone bay :)
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2006.02.15 21:08:00 - [22] going a race due to having a ASSUMED high dps is pretty stupid heh. DPS is a assumption of what the damage might be like. Not fact. You got resistances, tracking, ammo types, damage mods, and ect to factor into your damages. Some races and ships utilize it better than others. Like the Geddon before the stack fix utilized the pulse because of the rate of fire bonus and the massive low slots. Blasters having the biggest damage mod out there but yet dont do 3 types of damage types as Projectiles. So yeah it's prefrence not fact.
Naughty Boy	Posted - 2006.02.15 21:49:00 - [23] Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri going a race due to having a ASSUMED high dps is pretty stupid heh. DPS is a assumption of what the damage might be like. Not fact. You got resistances, tracking, ammo types, damage mods, and ect to factor into your damages. Some races and ships utilize it better than others. Like the Geddon before the stack fix utilized the pulse because of the rate of fire bonus and the massive low slots. Blasters having the biggest damage mod out there but yet dont do 3 types of damage types as Projectiles. So yeah it's prefrence not fact. Agreed. Going for high damage at 0m won't work very well all the time, it's situational and also a matter of preferences as far as other factors are concerned. That doesn't mean at all that dps is irrelevant, in fact it's very relevant... just that there's more in the whole picture. And "in general", though of course it's a function of other variables in the game, low dps will be made up by something else depending on circumstances, so it's up to you to chose the right circumstances for the ship or the right ship for the circumstances. Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy.
Kyo Kuno	Posted - 2006.02.15 22:19:00 - [24] Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri going a race due to having a ASSUMED high dps is pretty stupid heh. DPS is a assumption of what the damage might be like. Not fact. You got resistances, tracking, ammo types, damage mods, and ect to factor into your damages. Some races and ships utilize it better than others. Like the Geddon before the stack fix utilized the pulse because of the rate of fire bonus and the massive low slots. Blasters having the biggest damage mod out there but yet dont do 3 types of damage types as Projectiles. So yeah it's prefrence not fact. Oh I know, I'm still going Amarr, the way of the tank. Lasers don't use ammo and is versatile in that I can switch crystals to get varying ranges. But I just wanted to see dps comparison of all the guns, without resistance or other variables.
Sky Hunter	Posted - 2006.02.15 22:35:00 - [25] Edited by: Sky Hunter on 15/02/2006 22:38:16 EDIT: nm, been said already 2 posts above -=-
Jennifae	Posted - 2006.02.15 22:38:00 - [26] Originally by: Eyeshadow Neutron blaster megathron has the highest DPS in game when considering maxed skills Megapulse Geddons are slightly behind neutronthrons but have far greater range and versatility 800mm Autocannon Tempests are behind pulse Geddons but have far greater falloff than neutronthrons plus can choose their damage type Torp Ravens are behind all turret ships, but they dont have tracking/range problems and never miss their target (though you do have flight time/sig/speed to take into account) Drones are not really classed as a primary weapon. Even on a dominix/Ishtar with maxed skills they wont output as much damage as a torp raven I'm not sure the geddon is anywhere near what it was post rmr stacking nerf. But at any rate, blasters, if you can fit them, are highest.
Jennifae	Posted - 2006.02.15 22:39:00 - [27] Originally by: Kyo Kuno Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri going a race due to having a ASSUMED high dps is pretty stupid heh. DPS is a assumption of what the damage might be like. Not fact. You got resistances, tracking, ammo types, damage mods, and ect to factor into your damages. Some races and ships utilize it better than others. Like the Geddon before the stack fix utilized the pulse because of the rate of fire bonus and the massive low slots. Blasters having the biggest damage mod out there but yet dont do 3 types of damage types as Projectiles. So yeah it's prefrence not fact. Oh I know, I'm still going Amarr, the way of the tank. Lasers don't use ammo and is versatile in that I can switch crystals to get varying ranges. But I just wanted to see dps comparison of all the guns, without resistance or other variables. yeah, lasers use something much more precious than ammo..... CAP!
metropolitaner	Posted - 2006.02.16 00:15:00 - [28] 5 ogre II whit max drone skills and bonus from dominix, can do around 550-600 dps.
Naughty Boy	Posted - 2006.02.16 00:22:00 - [29] Edited by: Naughty Boy on 16/02/2006 00:22:58 Originally by: metropolitaner 5 ogre II whit max drone skills and bonus from dominix, can do around 550-600 dps. I'd rather say 475 dps (461 dps accounting tracking issues): * 5 drones; * 241.251.121.51.92 = 190.08 damage mod; tracking on a 400m target: 97.04% * 2 seconds ROF; Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy.

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