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Verenkh Soleron
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.11.13 15:00:00 -
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I have a character that I haven't played on for like 3 years. Activated it again, and I'm sort of at a crossroads. Have around 13,5mil SP, most of it focused into Gunnery and Amarr ships. I have Amarr Cruiser and Amarr Battlecruiser at V. My aim was always to get into L4 missions as a base of sorts before I struck out and did other stuff. I want to have a base that I can use for income (Even if it's boring) before I risk throwing away tons of stuff in low/null/wormhole space.
However, I've seen people talking about doing L4's in the T3 cruisers. I don't doubt that it's possible, but is it a good idea? I'm already kinda tired of how bulky and slow my Harbinger is, and I imagine it'd only get worse if I got into an Abaddon. Playstyle-wise I think I'd much rather be in a Legion, but is it as fast/easy in L4 missions as, say, an Abaddon? I realize that most probably fly Tengus if they do fly T3s, but I don't have any Caldari ship skills, and don't much fancy waiting another 3-+ weeks to get Caldari Cruiser V when I already have Amarr. I could have the Amarr T3 cruiser skill and subsystem skills at 4 each in less than 2 weeks.
So I guess I'm asking, is flying a Legion in L4 missions (solo) even feasible?
And, follow-up, if it is, would a fit like this work?
[Legion, L4]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor EM Hardener II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Tracking Computer II
Tracking Computer II
Tracking Computer II
10MN Afterburner II
Heavy Pulse Laser II
Heavy Pulse Laser II
Heavy Pulse Laser II
Heavy Pulse Laser II
Heavy Pulse Laser II
Heavy Pulse Laser II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2013.11.13 15:05:00 -
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In general, TIII cruisers can do L4s just fine. However, battleships (especially faction BS) will do considerably more DPS, which results in faster completion times and higher ISK/hour. |
Verenkh Soleron
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.11.13 15:11:00 -
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So... It'd be better (ISK/hour-wise) to stick with the current plan of putting some beam lasers and a micro jump drive on an Abaddon and going to town? |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam
Disturbed Acquaintance
983
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Posted - 2013.11.13 15:15:00 -
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isk/hr wise, yes
fun/hr wise .. depends on what you find more fun |
Verenkh Soleron
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.11.13 15:17:00 -
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Okay, put another way, then.
Fun/hour = Legion. The less bulky my ship is, the more I like it.
Isk/hour = Abaddon. Also, the quicker I make my isk, the less time I'll have to spend on missioning.
Due to a Legion being smaller, it's safer to fly than a BS, too? Or have I misunderstood that? |
Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.11.13 16:26:00 -
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Verenkh Soleron wrote:Due to a Legion being smaller, it's safer to fly than a BS, too? Or have I misunderstood that? Yes.
It being smaller and faster means that it'll get hit less by turrets and takes less damage from missiles. Assuming, of course, that you actually do move and don't sit still in the middle of the mission. Also, T3 ships have even higher resists than T2 ships, which also helps to survive. |
Woeful Animation
AHHA Trading Company
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Posted - 2013.11.13 17:43:00 -
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I use a Dominix, Sentry Drone, MJD with Afterburner set up. MJD out to max range. Snipe the targets and profit So using the same basic strategy should work on an Abaddon. |
Verenkh Soleron
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.11.13 19:25:00 -
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Woeful Animation wrote:I use a Dominix, Sentry Drone, MJD with Afterburner set up. MJD out to max range. Snipe the targets and profit So using the same basic strategy should work on an Abaddon.
Yeah, I think that's what I'll end up doing. A fitted Abaddon is way cheaper than a fitted Legion anyway, and I came back with around 1,5mil isk to my name. :) Legion will just have to remain a pipe dream, for now. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
1172
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Posted - 2013.11.13 23:43:00 -
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Pretty much anything can blitz L4 missions as long as you can break battleship tanks.
Whilst I don't mission much, I need to occasionally to fix up my security status, and when I do, I use an Ishtar, a t2 drone-based cruiser.
It combines almost battleship DPS, with good resists, a tiny sig radius making me harder to hit, speed, and most of all, the versatility of spare midslots allowing me to fly a ship that can PVP while PVE fit.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content.
The difference between an enemy and a friend is that you stab your enemies in the front. |
Pit Bredd
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.11.14 09:27:00 -
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Woeful Animation wrote:I use a Dominix, Sentry Drone, MJD with Afterburner set up. MJD out to max range. Snipe the targets and profit So using the same basic strategy should work on an Abaddon.
Abaddon has low bandwidth and no bonuses to drones. If I am right, amarr BS were like this: Abaddon with pulse lasers for fun in close to middle range, Apocalypse Navy Issue for sniping, Armageddon Navy Issue with beam tachyons for usual missioning (properly fitted can do over 1000 DPS at 45-50 km cold with standard crystals and full flight of sentry drones). |
Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
317
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Posted - 2013.11.14 11:36:00 -
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Pit Bredd wrote:Woeful Animation wrote:I use a Dominix, Sentry Drone, MJD with Afterburner set up. MJD out to max range. Snipe the targets and profit So using the same basic strategy should work on an Abaddon. Abaddon has low bandwidth and no bonuses to drones. If I am right, amarr BS were like this: Abaddon with pulse lasers for fun in close to middle range, Apocalypse Navy Issue for sniping, Armageddon Navy Issue with beam tachyons for usual missioning (properly fitted can do over 1000 DPS at 45-50 km cold with standard crystals and full flight of sentry drones).
You're forgetting one very important thing--the Abaddon awesome-tanks.
It is just a freaking bad-ass Battleship. |
Altered Ego
We Love Unicorns
EveryoneVersusEveryone.com.
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Posted - 2013.11.14 11:55:00 -
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Some time ago i just about bought a Tengu for mission running but I'm glad I stuck with a BS.
In terms of L4's, T3's are flashy, and fast. This means they are great for blitzing missions, but if you are running missions with an eye on isk/hr, you'll want to clear the entire missions and salvage afterwards. Battleships are better for this than T3's because with higher dps they are actually faster in terms of time and much cheaper to acquire and replace. |
Verenkh Soleron
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.11.14 14:04:00 -
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Alright, alright. :p
Get the Abaddon as a workhorse now, then start with the blingy Legion later.
A sort of connected question. It'll take me around a month to get Weapon Upgrades V and then Adv. Weapon Upgrades to IV, and Large Beam Specialization IV too. The 8 Tech2 beams are very powergrid hungry, even with fitting skills at V (Other than Adv. Weapon Upgrades, obviously). Would it be stupid to just run with 7 of them while I train skills? Better to just get 8 Tech1 beams instead while I wait? |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
1181
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Posted - 2013.11.14 22:21:00 -
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Altered Ego wrote:Some time ago i just about bought a Tengu for mission running but I'm glad I stuck with a BS.
In terms of L4's, T3's are flashy, and fast. This means they are great for blitzing missions, but if you are running missions with an eye on isk/hr, you'll want to clear the entire missions and salvage afterwards. Battleships are better for this than T3's because with higher dps they are actually faster in terms of time and much cheaper to acquire and replace.
Blitzing is considerably better ISK/hour than full looting at the moment. Post Rubicon this might need to be reassessed but I think the optimal approach will be 'set up tractor/looting structure, bookmark it, kill everything, warp to next pocket, repeat process'. Then come back in an Iteron and collect loot but do not salvage.
The salvage market crashed so hard in Odyssey that it just is not worth it now, except for a new player.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content.
The difference between an enemy and a friend is that you stab your enemies in the front. |
Pit Bredd
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.11.15 11:07:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
The salvage market crashed so hard in Odyssey that it just is not worth it now, except for a new player.
This ^^ |
Rammix
TheMurk
125
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Posted - 2013.11.15 15:39:00 -
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Currently T3 are generally better than marauders at L4 missions, because they utilize speed and sig tank (with AB). Marauders currently have higher dps but to tank really well they need a faction fit, so T3-s are cheaper and generally better.
But. After release of Rubicon marauders will again become the top choise for L4 missions - because of Bastion module and the nice defences it gives. Plus MJD reactivation time bonus will allow marauders to freely keep good distance from danger: you gain distance, turn on Bastion, kill rats, quit Bastion mode and do a micro jump, repeat. And when you don't need to jump back and forth comes another one plus: you can launch the new tractor structure, make it collect the wrecks while you're killing rats, and the 3 utility high slots allow you to salvage those wrecks in the process.
OpenSUSE 12.2, wine 1.5
Covert cyno in highsec: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=296129&find=unread |
Scarlett Blake
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.11.15 15:55:00 -
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Rammix wrote:Currently T3 are generally better than marauders at L4 missions, because they utilize speed and sig tank (with AB). Marauders currently have higher dps but to tank really well they need a faction fit, so T3-s are cheaper and generally better.
But. After release of Rubicon marauders will again become the top choise for L4 missions - because of Bastion module and the nice defences it gives. Plus MJD reactivation time bonus will allow marauders to freely keep good distance from danger: you gain distance, turn on Bastion, kill rats, quit Bastion mode and do a micro jump, repeat. And when you don't need to jump back and forth comes another one plus: you can launch the new tractor structure, make it collect the wrecks while you're killing rats, and the 3 utility high slots allow you to salvage those wrecks in the process.
or you MJD into brawler range, go into bastion and kill everything with applied 1k dps  |
Ruvin
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Posted - 2013.11.15 16:59:00 -
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flying a perfect legion now ... Training towards a nightmare , just incase i need it . But legion is damn fun fast and very nice :)
Only con for me is it doesnt have any drones :( i mean if you fit it for lasers
Opportunities multiply as they are seized. |
Rammix
TheMurk
126
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:25:00 -
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Ruvin wrote:flying a perfect legion now ... Training towards a nightmare , just incase i need it . But legion is damn fun fast and very nice :)
Only con for me is it doesnt have any drones :( i mean if you fit it for lasers
Factional webifier with 15km range - against frigs. And/or burn away to lower angular velocity of the targeted frig.
OpenSUSE 12.2, wine 1.5
Covert cyno in highsec: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=296129&find=unread |
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