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Skelator
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Posted - 2003.09.03 02:26:00 -
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"I mean this a a RL comment, not an ingame comment."
Sorry to say it is the only way to describe it in game. It is what it is. No way to hide it.
Designed to disrupt and cause fear on unfair and dishonorable grounds = terrorist.
When TTI goes down you won't see this anymore. And only effects those suppling TTI.
LOL maybe you could change Terrorist to a word like Special operations or Guerilla operations to soothe everyones feelings in the matter
Just a Suggestion 
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Cylynex
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Posted - 2003.09.03 03:59:00 -
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So umm....which system in empire space will you be targeting miners in? We don't deal with TTI or anything, but I'll come hang out and grab your gear when concord blows up you "down with TTI" fighters, or whatever you call yourselves...
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OverKill
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Posted - 2003.09.03 04:08:00 -
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LOL HDY has had increased minerals sales in the last 36 hours however the last 12 have really seen an increase in our mineral yards.
Thanks to those who have sent their hard earned business our way.
Regards,
OK
[email protected] - http://www.hadean.org
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The Wretch
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Posted - 2003.09.03 04:08:00 -
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Cylynex -
Doussivitte
The Wretch
Cyberdyne Systems CEO
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Cylynex
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Posted - 2003.09.03 04:15:00 -
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I guess you were trying to be witty by naming the system my corp is HQ'd in....Well feel free to stop by and let concord blow ya up......doubt you'll find anyone there, there's rarely anyone except the occasionally 2 man corp who runs in to clean up some omber or some commons.
Attacking miners in high security space....Absolutely brilliant =) Gonna be lots of happy miners after this one blows over...
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Tatsue Nuko
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Posted - 2003.09.03 04:20:00 -
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Edited by: Tatsue Nuko on 03/09/2003 04:23:14
"The capacity for Ayn Rand "Libertarians" to rationalize an economic class-based society with themselves as aristocracy is infinite. Just like the capacity for thieves to rationalize why it's okay for them to parasitize the hard work of others."
Caerdwyn, you are way out of your league there. From what I understand TTi have no business sullying the name of Ayn Rand with their conduct. Ayn Rands philosophy (Objectivism) outlaws the initiation of force, and as seems to be obvious to everyone, TTi use force not only to defend themselves from pirates. Therefore, according to Objectivist philosophy (to which I largely adhere), TTi are fair targets for anyone, as TTi are morally equivalent to any pirate corp (like m0o).
Myself, I am agitated enough seeing the conduct of TTi sully Ayn Rands name (it is obvious that evaders and irrationalists do not fail to target her as the basis of TTi's corrupt behaviour). But I will do nothing unless any of my corporation colleagues (or the corp as a whole) gets forced (or the Directions descides) to join the war.
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Queen X
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Posted - 2003.09.03 04:50:00 -
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For what it's worth, Techell is a great corp. Bunch of damn nice people, great prices and style. All corps I was in had business with them, and it was always to mutual benefit.
I remember once after we sold about 400K scordite to Kel'dra (at 8 ISK PU) I've got a mail from her where she thanked me for the ore and offered to throw in a few Harvesters/miner1's as a token of appreciation. Now that was back then when harvs were kinda cheap, but still 8ISK PU was great price, their ships cost less then TTI's and still they offer stuff to keep even a small corp happy (we were 3 members back then).
So I say kudos to them, you don't really need any other reasons (political or ideological) to do business with them and corps like them, except common sense.
Let the TTI exo's play with tenn soldiers and dream of power and riches, do the business with professionals.
What about the Blood and Sweat and Devastation Wreaked on the Fine Fleet Officers that Held the line for them Died for Them Lost Entire Fleets for them while they wouldnt send Re-Inforcements OR EQUIPMENT and ignored repeated requests for such Relief knowing the Shattered remains of the Once Proud Navy Alliance that defended their interests was taking a pounding and when such Navy Voted to leave then in turn they Attacked THE VERY PEOPLE DEFENDING THEM!!
Great Corp you say.... You Are Blind I Say....
They are Not to Be Trusted one day they will turn their backs on the Miners also
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Caerdwyn
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Posted - 2003.09.03 05:57:00 -
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Nope, I'm very much in my league here. And not voluntarily.
You see, I live in Silicon Valley, which has more Libertarians than any other metropolitan area.
And you know what I found? The more "Libertarian" someone was, the more often they tried to push a copy of "Atlas Shrugged into my hands, the more insufferable they were... the richer they were... and the more contempt for people low in the economic pyramid they had. The attitude of "the poor are poor because they are lazy" was thinly veiled at best.
One of my former roommates was Very Very Libertarian, as in, politically active, a Ron Brown disciple, quoted "Atlas Shrugged" constantly, the whole bit. A True Believer. One of my coworkers was on the California Libertarian Party board of directors, and he was always the one with the condescending attitude, causing arguments in the workplace, and oddly enough the one who wrote the buggiest software (which I had the dubious pleasure of testing).
The problem isn't Libertarianism. It's Libertarians. Which I have had to endure far more than I would have preferred.
On the face of it, Libertarianism (with a big "L") would seem to make sense. However, it seems to attract the most avaricious, exploitative people around. It's kind of like That Major Religion That Begins with "Chr"... the basic philosophy isn't bad, but the followers are.
Therefore, from extensive firsthand experience, I repeat: Ayn Rand-pattern Libertarians are would-be economic aristocrats with little in the way of conscience who can rationalize anything that brings them personal wealth. My disgust is with the people, not the philosophy.
Police your own, and I will think better of of you and them. But do not discount an "opposing view" just because it doesn't jibe with the way you wish things were. As I said, my opinions are from personal experience. Politically, I am fiscally and militarily conservative, socially liberal, believe that honest entrepreneurs are the true American heroes, and I am reasonably economically successful. There's hardly a "sour grape" to be found, and I would seem to be a fit for Objectivism.
But I refuse to allow myself to be called a "Libertarian". It's been transformed into a dirty word, not by non-Libertarians, but by Libertarians themselves.
What does this have to do with the game? Simply this: in Eve, "Objectivists" seem to be masters of rationalizing their behavior even when it is by any other standard anti-social. You are an eloquent lot, but I do not confuse eloquence with morality. The two are not the same, and the rest of us see the difference.
TTi, as the highest-profile Ayn Rand-quoting "Objectivists" in the game, are giving Objectivism a very bad name amongst the rest of us. Don't like that? Take it up with them, not me. If anyone is sullying the Rand name, it's them.
Don't shoot the messenger, especially when there's a damned good chance he's right.
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2003.09.03 06:36:00 -
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Queen X:
What about the Blood and Sweat and Devastation Wreaked on the Fine Fleet Officers that Held the line for them Died for Them Lost Entire Fleets for them while they wouldnt send Re-Inforcements OR EQUIPMENT and ignored repeated requests for such Relief knowing the Shattered remains of the Once Proud Navy Alliance that defended their interests was taking a pounding and when such Navy Voted to leave then in turn they Attacked THE VERY PEOPLE DEFENDING THEM!!
Great Corp you say.... You Are Blind I Say....
They are Not to Be Trusted one day they will turn their backs on the Miners also
What the **** are you on about??!! Get a pair of glasses and stop using ***** you trolling midget!
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2003.09.03 06:38:00 -
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You see, I live in Silicon Valley, which has more Libertarians than any other metropolitan area.
Ummm, that's must be near Yulai right?
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Caerdwyn
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Posted - 2003.09.03 20:23:00 -
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Yup. You can tell by the traffic and the frequency of getting "stuck".
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Scragg
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Posted - 2003.09.03 20:36:00 -
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What about the Blood and Sweat and Devastation Wreaked on the Fine Fleet Officers that Held the line for them Died for Them Lost Entire Fleets for them while they wouldnt send Re-Inforcements OR EQUIPMENT and ignored repeated requests for such Relief knowing the Shattered remains of the Once Proud Navy Alliance that defended their interests was taking a pounding and when such Navy Voted to leave then in turn they Attacked THE VERY PEOPLE DEFENDING THEM!!
And the award for the longest sentence ever goes to.....
Scragg, Tyrell Corporation
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Tatsue Nuko
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Posted - 2003.09.03 20:52:00 -
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Caerdwyn, this is beginning to go offtopic now, so I'll keep this (relatively =) short and invite you to continue the convo in-game (if you want to).
Anyway, you might be interested in studying Rand's own comments about libertarians. Good quote is "a perversion of liberty". She also condemned them for being philosophic nihilists parasiting on her work, bastardizing it in the process. I know full well the nature of theese libertarians (in TTi and in real life), but methinks it's quite wrong to blame the author and the genuine movement because a lot of people simply don't have the brains to understand it.
And BTW, TTi's got "Mulligan Defence" and "Danneski÷ld Mining" divisions, right? Says a lot about TTi and their understanding of Rand - and thereby the validity of bashing Rand and Rand scholars for the TTi weirdness going around (which I still do not have a clear picture of) - since Mulligan was a banker in Atlas Shrugged, and Ragnar Danneski÷ld a pirate.
And yes, I have already stated (methinks, been up for 48h straight now, is foggy) that I dislike the TTi bastardization of Objectivism. But as I do not have a clear picture of it, but I did have a clear picture of your statement, I began by contradicting what I felt was a clear error on your behalf.
Though, as long as you simply mean libertarians by your statement, I'm with you. As long as you don't mix in Rand herself and true Rand scholars. Then I take offence.
(On the aristocracy part, Rand stated that every productive job, big or small, is worth doing, and those that do them are all worthy of praise and self-esteem (as long as they don't do them based on altruistic incentives)).
Anyway, I really got to sleep.
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Sc0rpion
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Posted - 2003.09.03 20:55:00 -
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And the award for the coolest post ever goes to OverKill of the Hadean Drive Yards for actually using the word "wetwork" in a sentance! 
"The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously."
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Queen X
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Posted - 2003.09.03 21:55:00 -
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What the **** are you on about??!! Get a pair of glasses and stop using ***** you trolling midget!
LOL Take it Easy Sir I was just Roleplaying the Scenario!!
Whats with the Abusive Foul language towards me for a Role Played Post
Your Conduct is not that of a Gentleman.
Sorry if I somehow(dont know how) Offended You in any Way
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Neferana
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Posted - 2003.09.03 22:30:00 -
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Edited by: Neferana on 03/09/2003 22:32:02
$t4v i5 4 g0d!! Reach out and spank me you crazy pedifile you!! You can steal my lolipop any time you want! U r0X0r!
kill TTI please, burn those filthy market witches!
Molly is a TTI ho, k33l her st4nk a$$ 2!
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.09.03 23:23:00 -
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What the **** are you on about??!! Get a pair of glasses and stop using ***** you trolling midget!
LOL Take it Easy Sir I was just Roleplaying the Scenario!!
Whats with the Abusive Foul language towards me for a Role Played Post
Your Conduct is not that of a Gentleman.
Sorry if I somehow(dont know how) Offended You in any Way
No offense, bu thtis isn't the RP forum, and on top of that , the guy you quoted shares your view, and you flamed him for it. Go back, read it all properly, he wasn't congratulating TTi.
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2003.09.03 23:44:00 -
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Whats with the Abusive Foul language towards me for a Role Played Post
Your Conduct is not that of a Gentleman.
Sorry if I somehow(dont know how) Offended You in any Way
Who said that I was a gentleman?
But seriously you were not RPG-ing you were trolling, besides you have no substance behind your post.
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Queen X
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Posted - 2003.09.03 23:56:00 -
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Whats with the Abusive Foul language towards me for a Role Played Post
Your Conduct is not that of a Gentleman.
Sorry if I somehow(dont know how) Offended You in any Way
Who said that I was a gentleman?
But seriously you were not RPG-ing you were trolling, besides you have no substance behind your post.
LOL Actually I WAS RPG'ng and I Apologized to You for any misunderstandings NO TROLL would do that :) ... 80% of the Stories here have no Factual Substance but are Very Fun to Read
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DJvGalen
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Posted - 2003.09.04 00:48:00 -
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Just signing in to let you know that what I mine usually allready ends up with Techell, that goes for the rest of my corp as well, as far as i can tell 
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Thufir Hawat
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Posted - 2003.09.04 01:11:00 -
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Edited by: Thufir Hawat on 04/09/2003 01:40:45
I don't know about anyone else, but the thought of the pirates of VA taking this moral high ground to the point of getting donations for their cause against TTi is about ready to make me vomit.
A gdmn week ago Cyberdyne Systems, Jericho Fraction, and everyone else up north there was reviled by the galaxy for mass podding and gleeful pirating far and beyond the call of duty. You, I, and everyone else were being chased around by these bastards in Pure Blind and being podded if we so much as poked our heads into Venal near a VA member.
They get "backstabbed" within their piratical alliance whilst attempting to throw out somebody who was part of their alliance (and doesn't anyone see the hypocrisy of that? what is an alliance that can vote to let their members hang?!) and because they had the great good luck to be "backstabbed" by the most disliked corp in the galaxy, now they're the frickin heroes?!? This was absolutely the best thing to happen to the Venal Alliance from any perspective -- they end the war, keep their regions, and gain the good will of the galaxy in one giant masterstroke.
You're being had, folks.
People, this is a signal for you to grab popcorn and watch various megacorps tear themselves to shreds, not give away your hard-earned ISK to some people who will be charging you 1mil tickets to walk through Pure Blind when this is all over. And this crap about killing anybody who sells anything to TTi is exactly that. I'm half tempted to start making special trips to sell TTi my minerals, because you haven't got any right to dictate how I make money. Chase me down if you'd like -- I don't mind wasting my time running from you if I can get at least two of you to waste your time coming after me.
(Edit: Maybe not donations, so much as mineral contracts, pledges of support and whatnot... same principle, though.)
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DJvGalen
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Posted - 2003.09.04 01:25:00 -
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I have no love for the Venal Alliance, they killed me in my indy without a word for no good reason but I don't want trouble with them either, so I try to stay out of their way.
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The Wretch
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Posted - 2003.09.04 01:43:00 -
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Edited by: The Wretch on 04/09/2003 01:46:20
Ah Thufir Hawat, another one of Ragnars pocket hockey pals.
Pretty funny how you mentioned a week ago we were all podding ppl or what ever nonsense was spewing from your mouth when we were getting kicked around by evo and xan trying to defend TTI.
Just face it - TTI is going down and EvE will be a much better place once it is gone or Ragnar is gone.
I figure the word is well out now and operations have already begun. Maybe it's time to let this thread die now. It is getting way played out.
Oh yeah - your security director we took from your corporation is getting along just famously in Cyberdyne. He gives is regards.
The Wretch
Cyberdyne Systems CEO
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Thufir Hawat
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Posted - 2003.09.04 01:57:00 -
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Edited by: Thufir Hawat on 04/09/2003 01:57:48
Topic quoted from here is "Pure Blind":
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Get out while you can. Rumor has it the system is about to enter a choas to where no one knows what may become of it.
You have been warned.
That's from Intergalactic Summit, 15/08/2003 18:16:00.
I apologize. Two weeks. That really does make it a lot better, Mr. Wretch -- thanks for the nitpick.
I'd close this thread too before people think too hard about what you did before you decided to put on the white cape.
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Drutort
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Posted - 2003.09.04 09:52:00 -
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Edited by: Drutort on 04/09/2003 09:54:20
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Why don't you pay off Jade to come up with a "clever" name for your complete and utterly spineless decision to attack TTi?
Well color me silly, would it be construed as "spineless" to hire and associate with pirates to do your wetwork or would that be considered "saavy business sense"? You are afterall distancing yourself from the actual "dirty work".
I believe Ms. Constantine is set about taking TTi down around Ragnar's ears and her "spineless attack" could also be construed as "saavy business sense" could it not? Jade is also distancing herself from the dirty work by letting the public in on the vendetta (no not the corp folks, the ideal).
In otherwords you are both set about achieving objectives and although the methods are "different" they are also the same.
Pot calling the kettle black and all that jazz.
Regards,
OK
i think there is a difference, when yo make corp or whatever and declar a war... so you can attack TTI then going and paying others to go just pk them...
and btw there would be no need if the war section would work right... once again CCP/DEV's have let us down, in a major part... wonder when that problem will be fixed?
at least when you declar war etc... that means both sides can fight and you can expect those people to come after you...
its not our problem that TTI cant protect all there miners and traders etc... 
if they started to protect and escort every mining trading going on... in high sec then they would have no ships to go fight any place, not like its a problem...
because they just pay others to do there job LOL
If you dont think that ppl dont get payed then how is it when the attacks were going at first of FA that i got poded and ship destroyed by 4 DIFF PIREATE corps or whatever...
it was 4 diff ones!! yes thats right 4 not 1 or 2 but 4.. and there wre more... so some how they manage to get along with each other and come and do specific task...
which would only be motivated by ISK, why would pirates or other corps who dont get a long with one another go together just because??? ya thats right...
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2003.09.04 10:04:00 -
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Edited by: Thufir Hawat on 04/09/2003 01:57:48
Topic quoted from here is "Pure Blind":
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Get out while you can. Rumor has it the system is about to enter a choas to where no one knows what may become of it.
You have been warned.
That's from Intergalactic Summit, 15/08/2003 18:16:00.
I apologize. Two weeks. That really does make it a lot better, Mr. Wretch -- thanks for the nitpick.
I'd close this thread too before people think too hard about what you did before you decided to put on the white cape.
Watch the situation as it develops - at the same time TTi expelled itself from the Aliiance by declaring war on it they were joined by the Piratical Corps and those unwilling to renounce piracy. Is it any suprise that the different composition of the NVA has resulted in a different stance? Unlike with TTi an Alliance stands together, of course there will be differences of opinion in the future - but these will be solved by reasoned debate and democratic vote. Not by threats and money for contract killers.
Since then the NVA has attracted support from many, many peaceful corporations of all sizes and from individuals who have had no history of any sort of involvement with either piracy or warfare.
TTi on the other hand has enlisted the support of the scum of the galaxy - most notably the universally reviled M3G4 corp.
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Uxinn
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Posted - 2003.09.04 11:51:00 -
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So what prices are you buying minerals/ORE at .. so we will sell to techell instead of TTI?
Just because if you say you will kill all miner's supplying minerals to TTI, you should atleast offer them alternatives... else there will be alot of angry miners out ther :)
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2003.09.04 12:32:00 -
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I consider it a singular honor that Manifest Destiny has joined the NVA. The Lady Jade and I had spirited discussions regarding the old VA structure and while I understood the reasons behind it the fact remains that the NVA will emerge stronger, noblier and bring properity to it's members and those who work with us.
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The Wretch
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Posted - 2003.09.04 12:55:00 -
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Uxinn -
Contact me in game. I have a lenthy list of other manufactures in need of mineral and probably close to a location that fits your needs.
The Wretch
Cyberdyne Systems CEO
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2003.09.04 15:13:00 -
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this is starting to sound like an ancient debate i once heard on whether the contractors helping to build a large spherical weapon of mass destruction could be considered valid military targets or innocent bystanders....
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