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MestariBation Fistful of Finns Bearf0rce One 24	Posted - 2013.11.14 16:45:00 - [1] - Quote If you assume 800 megathrons, that's 328,797 dps, or 173 seconds to kill a single aeon Jesys they do need more tank
MestariBation Fistful of Finns Bearf0rce One 30	Posted - 2013.11.14 17:08:00 - [2] - Quote Radelix Cisko wrote: I'm gathering that you think that supercapitals should be more expensive to produce? No. Because PL and NC. has more of them, they need to be nerfed.
MestariBation Fistful of Finns Bearf0rce One 30	Posted - 2013.11.14 17:17:00 - [3] - Quote Azami Nevinyrall wrote: Blawrf McTaggart wrote: Azami Nevinyrall wrote: Super Capital rebalance will go live once GSF has finished polishing off the fine details... sorry about the wait, i've been busy with university work. i'm forwarding CCP the details now :) Ok good... I was getting worried there... They need to nerf drone assist first..
MestariBation Fistful of Finns Bearf0rce One 30	Posted - 2013.11.14 18:11:00 - [4] - Quote Leigh Akiga wrote: Caviar Liberta wrote: This just in, sub capital fleets cause TiDi also. A subcapital fleet has never caused node death.. Even the largest fight ever- 6VDT, 4096 subcapitals didnt kill that node. It was reinforced you say.. the super Jita node, this is true but the current meta is to not reinforce nodes where supercapitals are wont to be used so that the node can be crashed to avoid 'tanking til downtime'. It's a legit tactic for defender especially when every shite lord in EVE is attacking your space. Also is there a reason why attacker cannot ask for reinforced node?
MestariBation Fistful of Finns Bearf0rce One 30	Posted - 2013.11.14 18:20:00 - [5] - Quote Leigh Akiga wrote: MestariBation wrote: It's a legit tactic for defender especially when every shite lord in EVE is attacking your space. Also is there a reason why attacker cannot ask for reinforced node? Well the problem doesnt lie in the node to begin with. The problem is a class of ship with infinite scalability that is nigh invincible when properly supported.. Say that to BL superfleet
MestariBation Fistful of Finns Bearf0rce One 30	Posted - 2013.11.14 18:26:00 - [6] - Quote mynnna wrote: MestariBation wrote: Leigh Akiga wrote: MestariBation wrote: It's a legit tactic for defender especially when every shite lord in EVE is attacking your space. Also is there a reason why attacker cannot ask for reinforced node? Well the problem doesnt lie in the node to begin with. The problem is a class of ship with infinite scalability that is nigh invincible when properly supported.. Say that to BL superfleet You mean the 30 supercarriers that were attacked by over a hundred other supercapitals? That doesn't sound like "properly supported" to me. exactly
MestariBation Fistful of Finns Bearf0rce One 30	Posted - 2013.11.14 18:46:00 - [7] - Quote Darth Kilth wrote: Why don't they add a new (T2) Battleship that can fit XL weapons and has bonuses/slot lay outs that allow it to do massive damage against super capitals while being utterly ineffective and even vulnerable against anything else. These new T2 should be compared to battleships the way stealth bomber is compared to frigates. If anything, the counter to Capitals shouldn't come from a bigger size class but from a smaller one. It's either that or the nerfbat against Super carriers. Or you can put 9000 homeless peeps in megas and blob de sun.
MestariBation Fistful of Finns Bearf0rce One 30	Posted - 2013.11.14 18:49:00 - [8] - Quote Beekeeper Bob wrote: Leigh Akiga wrote: Radelix Cisko wrote: I'm gathering that you think that supercapitals should be more expensive to produce? Some folks have said more expensive, some have said less expensive. One of the biggest issues is the spider tanking while also doing massive dps, along with being ewar immune. The current train of thought goes: "Hey theres a supercarrier fleet lets kill it." Dreads get dropped..triage carriers come in or were there already to support the supercarriers, titans come in to doomsday the dreads off the field and on and on. Escalation ensues and the node crashes The only and I really mean the only time supercarriers have died in this modern day and age was because of a trap. You seem confused on the escalation. Side A drops Supers, Side B drops dreads? In order to escalate the fight side B should have dropped a larger number of Supers..... That's the only real issue in your scenario , one side is afraid to drop Supers, the other is not. Is this a balance issue? Seems more like an issue with intestinal fortitude. But you know, EVE is not supposed to be unfair.
MestariBation Fistful of Finns Bearf0rce One 30	Posted - 2013.11.14 19:25:00 - [9] - Quote Darth Kilth wrote: MestariBation wrote: Darth Kilth wrote: Why don't they add a new (T2) Battleship that can fit XL weapons and has bonuses/slot lay outs that allow it to do massive damage against super capitals while being utterly ineffective and even vulnerable against anything else. These new T2 should be compared to battleships the way stealth bomber is compared to frigates. If anything, the counter to Capitals shouldn't come from a bigger size class but from a smaller one. It's either that or the nerfbat against Super carriers. Or you can put 9000 homeless peeps in megas and blob de sun. And crash the node, but mynnna is right, T2 battle ships would be to expensive. We need a cheaper solution. Yah, dreads. According to my sources bl,cfc and ruskies have over 9000 of them.
MestariBation Fistful of Finns Bearf0rce One 30	Posted - 2013.11.14 19:29:00 - [10] - Quote destiny2 wrote: Leigh Akiga wrote: Beekeeper Bob wrote: You seem confused on the escalation. Side A drops Supers, Side B drops dreads? In order to escalate the fight side B should have dropped a larger number of Supers..... That's the only real issue in your scenario , one side is afraid to drop Supers, the other is not. Is this a balance issue? Seems more like an issue with intestinal fortitude. Supers dont really fight supers do they.. have they ever? I am not sure why this is, help me out. Currently I am a capital pilot, I can fly a carrier which I understand the role of and its intended use, it does it well as a logistics platform. My logical progression would be to train into a supercarrier but I am confused by its role. It does the same thing a regular carrier does minus drones but adding massive dps.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLqb-m1ZZUA this video says otherwise, skip to 3:51 battle of asakai HAHA, it's a weather balloon.

MestariBation Fistful of Finns Bearf0rce One 30	Posted - 2013.11.14 22:01:00 - [11] - Quote Silvetica Dian wrote: PotatoOverdose wrote: Introduce a subcap hull (hell it can even be a frigate) that gets a massive bonus against caps and supers, and massive penalties against subcaps. Think x wing blowing up death star and what have you. Lorewise, you make up something about how the advanced weapon systems target the super's omega 13 tanks or some other bull. Or alternatively, just nerf supers' stats into the ground directly. Blops high slot module that screws with warp drive engines. scales in a non linear manner with mass. so if it did 40000 dps to a super but 4 dps to a frig (random numbers they are for concept rather than what i think they should be) activates for say 5 mins at a time and prevents the firing ship from warp, cloak, bridge, jump, using gates or wh's. also prevents MJD and MWD in the firing ship. maybe prevents remote assist just an idea. yea
MestariBation Fistful of Finns Bearf0rce One 30	Posted - 2013.11.15 06:32:00 - [12] - Quote Leigh Akiga wrote: So I just glanced at Reddit and saw this which kinda highlights the problem Gizznitt was talking about being no diminishing return for capital remote reps. http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/1qna62/pl_slowcats/ After reading the dev blog about the recent live event where CCP said they wanted to lead capsuleers through Curse but were not aware that Doril was a staging system for hundreds of pilots I wonder if they know about this. 200 carriers, all remote repping each other, millions of EHP wadded up into an unbreakable tank and can apply instant DPS via sentry drones. Yeah we are doing this CCP Here we go "SLOWCATS TOO STRONK!!!"
MestariBation Fistful of Finns Bearf0rce One 33	Posted - 2013.11.15 23:34:00 - [13] - Quote THIS THREAD IS NOW IN FULL R3TARD MODE! Send me isk im poor

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