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Discorporation
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Posted - 2003.09.02 07:37:00 -
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The Scope rocked.
'S time fer a hangin'!
(Kidding, etc.)
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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The Enslaver
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Posted - 2003.09.02 07:38:00 -
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I agree, I enjoyed reading 'The Scope' reports on player events.
Bring it back!
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Tristan
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Posted - 2003.09.02 08:19:00 -
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Without the ability to report on anything and eveyrthing you want, the Scope has now lost its role as an independant news company.
Essentially The Scope is now "state news", run and controlled by CCP!
BRING BACK THE SCOPE!
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Hobbes d'Aurora
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Posted - 2003.09.02 08:33:00 -
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Without the ability to report on anything and eveyrthing you want, the Scope has now lost its role as an independant news company.
It never was an independant news company.
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Jehyl Kaerloon
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Posted - 2003.09.02 08:41:00 -
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Edited by: Jehyl Kaerloon on 02/09/2003 09:24:28
I agree (not a very original intro...anyway...)
The Scope was one of the best background tool I ever saw in a MMOG (ok, I only played UO before...), it was making the world of Eve far more credible, and we all enjoyed reading the political turnout of our universe...
Without The Scope you make Eve universe more empty, where only small groups of player are playing with each other and don't care about the system 10 jump away...
We are in the information era, we NEED information, and those accusation of being biased can be made to ANY media in the world (won't be bashing about war on Irak here, but you can get the point).
The player information made us feel like the world existed, like we were part of something big, and we feel the same morbid fascination than went looking at the news and seeing disasters in a far away country... We were part of that world, and removing the player info from the scope make it as useless as "Pravda".
Just my opinion,
Jehyl Kaerloon
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.02 08:52:00 -
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Quote:
The Scope rocked.
'S time fer a hangin'!
(Kidding, etc.)
Let's start up a posse to get those whiners!
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2003.09.02 08:59:00 -
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The player information made us feel like the world existed, like we were part of something big, and we feel the same morbid fascination than went looking at the news and seeing disasters in a far away country... We were part of that world, and removing the player info from the scope make it as useless as "Pravda".
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I agree 100% - removing scope's coverage of player stuff is a huge and incredible mistake. Please bring it back!
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Nicholas Marshal
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Posted - 2003.09.02 09:06:00 -
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Bring back Scope. My entire corp was talking about the news - it is really livening up EVE. People who were quitting are now re-subbing. CCP would be crazy to let the Scope news reports stop.
It would just not be good for business.
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Magdalena'Graaf
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Posted - 2003.09.02 09:33:00 -
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I fully agree with all of you (except CCP). The Scope was something special, it was awsome and will surely leave a huge black hole in the Universe.
I've never really cared about the Events, but The Scope has made me realise a lot of things are going on out there and I really want to be part of it, maybe ally with one of the factions. I would probably never have know about all this if The Scope had not existed.
It's a pitty CCP removes the best information source available. I really hope The Scope and it's reporters start a new independent News Agency outside Eve-Online.com
The Scope was jut what Eve was missing, we got "life" into the game, something to talk about, think about, analyze and read while mining or traveling. During the last 2 days my corp has hardly talked about anything except the Scope and the rescent playerevents.
No one listened to all the other players when a few exploited and killed noobs in Empire space, they did not get banned. And that makes it just even more sad that a few players can ruin something as good as this for all the other players by whining.
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Drachir
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Posted - 2003.09.02 10:01:00 -
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I have to say I agree that it's a mistake. This was by far the most interesting thing to happen in eve for a while, and now I'm afraid the scope forum will be useless.
Personally, I would like to know whats going on in the universe. I don't see why you shut it down due to flaming. People will always flame/abuse on boards for any reason they can find.
Something good finally happens, and the trolls shut it down. sigh.
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Destruct
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Posted - 2003.09.02 10:17:00 -
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i would start a petition but that would only lengthen the process of getting unstuck.
i hope the persons responsible for this poor call will read this thread when it has aquired hundreds of replies all demanding the Scope back.
You can get more of what you want with a kind word and a gun than you can with just a kind word. - Al Capone
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Scampi Friti
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Posted - 2003.09.02 10:33:00 -
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bring back the news.
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Teister
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Posted - 2003.09.02 10:42:00 -
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Edited by: Teister on 02/09/2003 10:42:13
Indeed, The Scoop, with it's broad depth and view, made this EVE game world come alive. We had drama, intrituge, allies standing firm, and allies back-stabbomg and betrayals. Content from EVE is nice. But our own player generated content, was a 1000 times more interesting and remote unnamed pirate attacks. PLEASE bring it back.
CEO Independent Miners Guild
President, CFS Alliance
www.cfs-eve.org
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Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2003.09.02 10:53:00 -
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Bring
*Load Anti M*
it
*Lock Target*
back
*Orbit 1km*
Now!
*F1*
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Nephlite
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Posted - 2003.09.02 11:05:00 -
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Edited by: Nephlite on 02/09/2003 11:05:56
As I suggested in the other thread, break scope off from polaris. The issue seems to be that people are confusing scope and thinking Polaris is bais and Polaris can't have that kind of an issue.
SO break Scope from polaris, instead of the purple tag with "Polaris" have a green tag with "scope." I'm sure CCP can implement a minor change like that. In one shot you fix both problems. Change their Polaris tag to a green Scope tag, everybody will regard them as news reporters as we do in the real world. They won't have the all high and mighty expectations that Polaris has and thus can report the news more "freely." =)
CCP & Pann please get to it! We lub Scope!
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Sun Wu
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Posted - 2003.09.02 11:25:00 -
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That'd just make them yet another newscorp though wouldn't it? Or is the green Scope text mystically enhancing? They either are part of polaris and as such bound to basically not being able to exist in that form but only as part of polaris events and reporting of said events, or the news are delivered by players about players, just as it has been done until now. What would the difference be in the case of the Scope not being polaris tagged anymore? It'd still be just another news corp out there trying to do their part to shape the universe and grab a fat piece of the slice. Nothing, and I mean nothing stops any player complaining that CCP isn't involved in posting news anymore is not helping the situation, if you want news go find and post them yourself, problem solved and atleast you know they are not biased. The rest of the universe might disagree though with whatever you post.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.09.02 11:43:00 -
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"That'd just make them yet another newscorp though wouldn't it? Or is the green Scope text mystically enhancing?"
... Scope is somewhat different from 'yet another newscorp' as it's a part of the Prime Fiction.
"They either are part of polaris and as such bound to basically not being able to exist in that form but only as part of polaris events and reporting of said events, or the news are delivered by players about players, just as it has been done until now."
From what we've seen so far, news delivered by players about players are bound to be dismissed as 'touting one's own horn and propaganda' (most of the time quite rightly so :s) An independent and officially endorsed news team creates possibility for some more balanced news.
Plus, many people simply can't be arsed to write about what happens around them. Being able to invite the independent reporter who then spreads the news further could result in better and more frequent info on what's going on.
"What would the difference be in the case of the Scope not being polaris tagged anymore?"
Complaints about Scope reporters being biased affect directly reputation of the Polaris team as long as the reporters are seen as part of Polaris team. Clearly, some people are unable to separate between these entities, so for their sake separation could be done on visual level.
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2003.09.02 12:01:00 -
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The thing that makes Scope different is that it is integrated into the official site and has its own forum. Random posts on the various forums is not the same as news articles and stories. Although there are plenty of great news sites out there and the not-so-great ingame news (which these days is mostly apologies for server problems and stuck system warnings) they cannot replace an official channel for reporting player actions. Reporting on player events/actions/alliances is vitally important - how many people killed by the various alliances would still be alive now if they knew about them in advance through the news?
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Luther Pendragon
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Posted - 2003.09.02 12:07:00 -
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CCP has to stay neutral, as well, for the same reasons. The only ones that can legitimately report on player events are players.
Boggle, and that wasnt a given from the start?
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2003.09.02 12:10:00 -
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I for one enjoyed reading The Scope, and will mourn its passing.
It was refreshing to be able to read up on player-led events without having to wonder what the writer's hidden agenda was. Any news that's reported by players involved in events is clearly going to biased.
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Shock
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Posted - 2003.09.02 12:16:00 -
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Can't believe yoiu guys threw in the towel so quickly.
MWD passes you the torch and you guys can't wait to throw it away.
I think this is not only weak, but also an insult towards MWD.
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Luther Pendragon
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Posted - 2003.09.02 12:25:00 -
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Edited by: Luther Pendragon on 02/09/2003 12:26:45
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Any news that's reported by players involved in events is clearly going to biased.
Any news reported by anyone is always biased. You cant escape it! And whats missing from many people minds is the fact that polaris volunteers are also players. Their news is not any less biased than anyone elses! Youre just being fooled into thinking its unbiased because its hiding under the sanctity of Polaris, which cannot be biased.
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Serge
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Posted - 2003.09.02 12:36:00 -
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Whats making a bit of a headache now is the fact that some player-complaints about the scope seem to have been enough pressure for CCP (S&SI) to shut down "The Scope".
Heck, there¦s NO newsmedia out there IRL thats unbiased.
The question now is, who excerted pressure on whom? I can only think of ONE group of ppl ... a certain corp that prefers to stay hidden than beeing talked about too much ... 
Thank u guys for making the game less appreciable for us other players!
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2003.09.02 12:37:00 -
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I liked the scope.
So what if they are biased and play favorites?
So do real life news stations. Hopefully people are discerning enough not to just trust everything they read anyway.
I am deeply saddened by their decision to discontinue. I would like to see them come back and continue to report on EVE. Very much so.
I felt it added a lot to the game. It's easy to see if a news station has a bias against / towards certain corporations, and then you can take their reporting with a grain of salt.
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2003.09.02 12:40:00 -
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Who cares if it's biased or not? Unless it's total and blatent I doubt anyone does. Although some bias could be detected in the stories it was by no means at all total and blatent - in every case both sides were presented. So long as that happens, it's enough.
The important thing is that people know that there are things going on in the game. Maybe there are better ways to do it, but if we have to wait 6 months or more for it then what's the point?
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2003.09.02 12:40:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 02/09/2003 12:41:21
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Edited by: Luther Pendragon on 02/09/2003 12:26:45
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Any news that's reported by players involved in events is clearly going to biased.
Any news reported by anyone is always biased. You cant escape it! And whats missing from many people minds is the fact that polaris volunteers are also players. Their news is not any less biased than anyone elses! Youre just being fooled into thinking its unbiased because its hiding under the sanctity of Polaris, which cannot be biased.
Point taken. What I was trying to say was that The Scope's reporting was going to be less biased than the posts from the people involved. I'd be more confident of reading something close to the truth when looking at something from Polaris than either Jade Constantine or any of the TTI bunch
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Luther Pendragon
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Posted - 2003.09.02 12:47:00 -
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I'd be more confident of reading something close to the truth when looking at something from Polaris than either Jade Constantine or any of the TTI bunch
You still dont really understand...for all you, maybe not you, but your average eve player, Jade Constantine could very well be Hobbes d'Aurora! Polaris are made up of players who actively play the game, are members of TTi and or also enemies of TTi. Nobody has a clue who they are, but everyone thinks they are neutral because they post under a 'polaris' name, which is totally misleading!
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Captain Black
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Posted - 2003.09.02 12:57:00 -
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Damnit all.. :( I haven't even been logging in lately because I'm absolutly bored with Eve atm. The Scope got me interested again but now it's gone. I already canceled my extra account. Oh well, back to "mine bist, fight, mine bist, fight, mine bist, mine bist, mine bist" land.. People wanted to be involved becuase they could be brought up in The Scope, etc.. That kind of stuff is cool. Finally there was something interesting...while it lasted.
Eve for ME has been coming to a close. I've already started to look at other MMOG's coming out. Actually the more I think about the more I hate MMOGs(love/hate).. Never has a MMOG been created with enough depth for players.. It works like this. Devs make MMOG, Players think MMOG is best thing since sliced bread, Players use bugs and exploits and reach the "end game", Players say game has no content, Devs can't make content because they have to "BALLANCE", a bunch of people quit, Die Hard's...Die, Hard?, END. May not be totally correct but it's something like that. :-/
I haven't played many MMOG's(AO, AC2 & now Eve) but I've played them all from near the beginning and I've felt let down but every one. I'm not whining.. All I want is a game that can live up to the hype. There has never been a MMOG in my opinion that has(that I've played).
I don't want Eve to die, and I'm not saying it is incase it sounded like it.. I just feel let down by all the MMOG's I've played and it SUCKS!
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Iserbius
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Posted - 2003.09.02 13:03:00 -
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Can't believe yoiu guys threw in the towel so quickly.
MWD passes you the torch and you guys can't wait to throw it away.
I think this is not only weak, but also an insult towards MWD.
Indeed. If trends such as this continue, EVE is going down the toilet for sure. Regardless of wether or not its a "good game"
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.09.02 13:14:00 -
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"for all you, maybe not you, but your average eve player, Jade Constantine could very well be Hobbes d'Aurora!"
omg omg omfg my virgin (mind) eye(s)! >.<;;
... don't want to experience this sort of mental image. ever. again. eeeew. :s
"Nobody has a clue who they are, but everyone thinks they are neutral because they post under a 'polaris' name, which is totally misleading!"
I don't think 'tis so important for them to be neutral (already mentioned i doubt such thing is even possible) ... it's good enough if they just cover all sides of the story, providing readers with enough material to stay informed and draw own conclusions...
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