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Muaddid
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Posted - 2003.09.02 05:26:00 -
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For once we saw something new, something GOOD and refreshing from a polaris initiative... and you remove it ???
The player news was what made it interesting !!!
CCP already does their dev-generated news on the news page that everyone see when they login. There's just no use for the scope forum now if you stop doing player-related stuff... Ive seen people get back into eve lately because of all the things happening, because its what makes this game so great !
If you seriously remove this... might as well stop that scope IC and let the devs do the events...
Of course you'll get people say its biased and that you told info you shouldnt have had released so fast... but already in the last report we had there was that part that had been fixed ! You guys are humans (afaik), its ok to make errors when you learn from them... but this isnt learning, its giving up... 
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Hobbes d'Aurora
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Posted - 2003.09.02 05:28:00 -
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Yes, I had to remove it. Did I mention that I was partially behind the creation of the venture?
I didn't do this just for kicks. Nor was it completely my decision.
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Lead Event Producer Hobbes
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Cruise
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Posted - 2003.09.02 05:29:00 -
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Might as well not appeal, mate. You'll get people in the thread with finger pointing and 'this is the real issue' crap all over again, guaranteed. Sad as hell to watch happen, too.
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Juju Mojo
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Posted - 2003.09.02 05:31:00 -
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Bring em back.
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Hobbes d'Aurora
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Posted - 2003.09.02 05:32:00 -
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I'm immune to finger-pointing, slander, and whatnot. You have to, in this line of work. 
There is no chance of it coming back, I'm afraid.
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Lead Event Producer Hobbes
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.02 05:37:00 -
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Hobbs. I am very sad to see this go, and very dissapointed. Its a bad day for EVE.
Love and peace
JF Public Forum |
Singha Miasong
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Posted - 2003.09.02 05:39:00 -
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Bringem back but have CCP's paid staff do it.
I wont go into why or the thread will be deleted or locked. 
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Muaddid
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Posted - 2003.09.02 05:40:00 -
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*petitions for it to come back*
support Scope today !
On vacations (need a new sig too) |
Hobbes d'Aurora
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Posted - 2003.09.02 05:41:00 -
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Hobbs. I am very sad to see this go, and very dissapointed. Its a bad day for EVE.
You could say that I'm not thrilled about it either. But people seem content to blame me for it, so be it.
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Lead Event Producer Hobbes
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Archemedes
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Posted - 2003.09.02 05:43:00 -
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Could we at least get a full report as to why the Scope is not going to report on player news? Surely it can't simply be fear of criticism... most people LIKED the stories. You'll always get complaints from SOMEONE, but does that mean all events are also cancelled because someone might not enjoy them and complain? Will the introduction of tech 2 items be scrapped because someone might complain it wasn't done "fairly" (translation: they didn't get a blueprint)?
If it's just a matter of avoiding criticism, I submit that in a crowd as large as EVE the only way to avoid criticism is to do nothing at all...
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Hobbes d'Aurora
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Posted - 2003.09.02 05:43:00 -
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I wont go into why or the thread will be deleted or locked.
That last post was locked because people started tossing flames and accusations, not because of any suggestion.
CCP has to stay neutral, as well, for the same reasons. The only ones that can legitimately report on player events are players.
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Lead Event Producer Hobbes
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Hobbes d'Aurora
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Posted - 2003.09.02 05:46:00 -
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Could we at least get a full report as to why the Scope is not going to report on player news?
Simple. There is too much chance of us becoming biased, and far too many claims that it has already happened.
I mean, look at all of the claims that TTI or Evolution bullied us into taking articles down, when not all the removed articles were even about them.
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Lead Event Producer Hobbes
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cball
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Posted - 2003.09.02 05:51:00 -
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I wont go into why or the thread will be deleted or locked.
That last post was locked because people started tossing flames and accusations, not because of any suggestion.
CCP has to stay neutral, as well, for the same reasons. The only ones that can legitimately report on player events are players.
How can they?
I don't see a way to do this here as things are.
Scope was a great idea, sad to see one of Eve's first good RPG news publications be squashed by the very group that started it.
...fear the evil monkey in your hanger...
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Juju Mojo
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Posted - 2003.09.02 05:51:00 -
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There is no chance of it coming back, I'm afraid.
Absolutes are a rare thing indeed. It is wise to use them reluctantly, if at all.
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You could say that I'm not thrilled about it either. But people seem content to blame me for it, so be it.
Ah, so now we are getting somewhere. Sounds like a tender spot. Well, sorry to hear they came down on you, but, the fact is, you are right, they are wrong.
Anyway, what about my suggestion of a rebuttal option? It seems to have gone completely overlooked. Players who didn't feel they were presented properly in the news could have a chance to refute what was said. All this would take is a brief review for vulgarities, and it is fit to print as long as it is clearly stated that it is a rebuttal. What is the harm in that? Seems to work in real life, why not give it a try here? The deal would be, each party involved would get one rebuttal, and NO MORE. It would be wise to save your rebuttal for last, so you get the last say, but wait too long and no one will care anymore.
Isn't it at least worth a try?
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Havana
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Posted - 2003.09.02 05:54:00 -
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Edited by: Havana on 02/09/2003 05:59:15
How pathetic can this get?
During the possibly the most momental happenings in recent Eve history, The Scope caves under pressure from unknow sources.
"Accused of infiltrating private forums"? Where have I heard *that* before? Lous Lavol must be rolling in his grave now. I am glad he is not alive to see this.
If the Scope can't stand behind its editorial and news reporters, and gives in to mere criticism, then its publisher has no integrity and no vision. I will not mourn its passing.
Citizen of Eve, open your eyes!! INO, MDW, The Scope... how many must fall?
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Nephlite
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Posted - 2003.09.02 05:57:00 -
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Please bring player reporting back! :(
Don't let the best thing happen to Eve die already!
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Archemedes
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Posted - 2003.09.02 05:58:00 -
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Edited by: Archemedes on 02/09/2003 05:59:45
Accusations of bias?
<shrugs>
Seems pretty much the same sort of bull people always post around here. I mean, look at all the posts about bad forum moderation, Polaris cheating, dev bashing... There are simply a small but VERY loud group on here that tend to scream, rant, and spout unproven accusations and wild conspiracy theories any time a member of Polaris or the dev team so much as says hello. It's truly a shame that the many who enjoyed and appreciated the Scope reporting are going to miss out because of a small minority.
These people are going to call you names, yell at you, and generally make themselves look like morons no matter what you do, so why not do somthing cool?  (and those stories were VERY cool)
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cball
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Posted - 2003.09.02 06:02:00 -
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Could we at least get a full report as to why the Scope is not going to report on player news?
Simple. There is too much chance of us becoming biased, and far too many claims that it has already happened.
I mean, look at all of the claims that TTI or Evolution bullied us into taking articles down, when not all the removed articles were even about them.
While I agree with some of what brought this action on, I would say the removal of post and locking a thread to stop a complaint about Polaris behavior should be handled by a dev. This would remove polaris from any finger pointing at all. Just a suggestion. This would also allow Polaris to either start Scope back up or post anon news-reports after a editors review for such bias that was claimed.
...fear the evil monkey in your hanger...
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Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2003.09.02 06:24:00 -
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Truely a shame. THE SCOPE was actually putting some character back into this board (and game). Now I will have to go back to trudging through 30 "l33t-kewl" posts to get to something resembling intelligent writting.
F.Y.I. CCP front page news is boring, and usually more confusing than enriching.
P.S. Morkt please come back.
Oberon-Inc FEAR MY EMOTICONS |
Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.02 06:24:00 -
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Hobbes, for what its worth I think Scope was an excellent idea and exactly what the game needed, but now with its closure I have a problem.
Basically IC as Jade I am going to believe that TTI shut Scope down. It makes utter sense in game. The Ragnar interview made TTI a pirate corp plain and simple. Now with the benefit of hindsight it makes sense that TTI would want it pulled.
Whats your opinion on this?
Thanks in advance, (and all the best)
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Handsome Rhedd
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Posted - 2003.09.02 06:31:00 -
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Basically IC as Jade I am going to believe that TTI shut Scope down. It makes utter sense in game.
A corporation... shut us down?!? Never! I have a multi-year contract, not to mention the endorsement deals!
The Scope is not going anywhere. We've just been called out into the field, reassigned to different news.
Fear not, you will STILL be able to see me on the news. I know that was your biggest worry...
Galactic Affairs Correspondent
The Scope
"Fast, reliable news!"
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Edward Preble
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Posted - 2003.09.02 06:32:00 -
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This is a pity--I jump onto eve-I and start reading Scope news, getting interested in the political turmoil 'up north', and I find the newspaper I'm reading has been cancelled before I even knew it existed. 
I do find it a bit interesting that you don't see any TTi reps bemoaning it's passing.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.09.02 06:40:00 -
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Take a suggestion from AO:
Don't try to be unbiased.
In Anarchy Online there are the 2 Factions (3 if you absolutely insist being Neutral is a Faction): Clans and Omni-Tek. News was reported from both perspectives.
So go get your Megacorp Fanboi, your AntiCorp Preacher, your Pro "Aggressive Entrepreneur" (aka Pirate) Hellraiser and your Law Enforcement Fanatic. Then let them be as biased as they want to be. People will read who they want, read what they want and argue it out amongst themselves.
The more intelligent will read between the lines, same way we do when reading articles from Associated Press and Reuters, and digest the facts.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.02 06:41:00 -
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Perhaps there should be 2 news teams, both run by Polaris, but with different points of view....
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Havana
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Posted - 2003.09.02 06:43:00 -
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Edited by: Havana on 02/09/2003 06:46:56
Where is Upendi Ilai, the Editor in Chief of The Scope? Is he at the same place as "The Editor" of MDW, in a storage locker somewhere at Genolution Biohazard?
And just who exactly is this shadowy Hobbes d'Aurora person? I don't see his name on past issues of The Scope masterhead. Is there an unannouced coup at The Scope office?
Inquiry minds want to know.
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Shintoko Akahoshi
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Posted - 2003.09.02 06:45:00 -
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I can see where some people could become suspicious of the motivations of a polaris-run news agency. It's a pity, though. I was really enjoying The Scope. Perhaps it would be a good idea to resurrect this as a player-run publication (shades of the Gallente Enquirer).
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.02 06:49:00 -
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Player-run news reports would be even more suspiciously regarded.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Hobbes d'Aurora
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Posted - 2003.09.02 06:51:00 -
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And just who exactly is this shadowy Hobbes d'Aurora person?
I would say something about this being a personal attack, except that it happens to be true... I am rather shady...
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Spawn El'Marr
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Posted - 2003.09.02 07:13:00 -
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Edited by: Spawn El'Marr on 02/09/2003 07:29:49
The Scope was the best damn thing that have happend to EVE in a long, long time!
Even the players who don't follow the forums, who don't really care what happens in the Universe read the posts, even they got interested in other events, they understood that huge things happend in other parts of Eve and they got some insight in why they got short at sight in some areas.
It was a great source of information, much better than ANY player run news site.
You don't listen to all whiners who want to get rid of M0o, or other corps who destroy a lot, who kill new players, etc etc, why the f*ck (sorry, I'm really upset about this) do you remove the best thing this game have had just because a few whiners complain? I bet Ragnar of TTI complained even when the whole intervju was a cut and paste, because of favorism!
Removing The Scope is just one more of CCP's huge misstakes. Since The Scope was introduced I've been visiting myeve several times per hour, every time eagerly hoping that there would be a new issue of The Scope to read.
I'm right now so dissapointed and disqusted how things are run here that I could logoff, sell my char on Ebay or just kill him and then quit.
Shame on you CCP! 
Founder and Joint CEO of the Swedish corp Absolut Profit
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Capn Blood
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Posted - 2003.09.02 07:31:00 -
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Yup...I'm with the "Scope is great" bunch.
Wonderful idea....well written articles.
Having an opinion is certainly NOT the same as being biased!
Having things like this killed takes a LOT of the fun out of EVE.
Whiners make me sick
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These men have no honour, and are fit only to be politicians."
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