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Pang Grohl	Posted - 2006.02.25 00:13:00 - [91] Originally by: Syath I'm not sure what you guys are talking about but procurement and visibility dont work.. i have procurement up to lvl 4 its doesnt do anything that it says it does past lvl 2, or i havnt found a way, I dont have visibility but if you guys are saying it depends on having procurement then visibility is totally useless right now. Procurement affects the range at which you are able to set remote buy orders, and the area of effect for local buy orders. You can only set buy orders where the item you want to buy is being sold. For example Procurement 3 will let you place a buy order at a station 10 jumps from your current location, provided that the item you want is for sale at that station. Visibility affects the range that your remotely placed buy orders can be filled from. For example Visibility 2 allows you to set the area of effect for your remote buy order to Station, Solar System, 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5 jumps. Anyone please correct me if I've stated any of this incorrectly... Forum: A place where ideas come to prove their worth.
Syath	Posted - 2006.02.25 18:15:00 - [92] As I dont have visibility I cant really comment but I can assure you procurement does not work the way you say... unless there is some invisible force at work here. Quote: Procurement affects the range at which you are able to set remote buy orders, and the area of effect for local buy orders. You can only set buy orders where the item you want to buy is being sold. For example Procurement 3 will let you place a buy order at a station 10 jumps from your current location, provided that the item you want is for sale at that station. now what im not understanding here is how my avatar without Procurement is able to set a full regional range buy order. My Alt does indeed have procurement and it works exactly the same way as far as I can tell. I recently set a buy order with full regional range with my avatar that does NOT have procurement and it filled 20 jumps away
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.02.25 18:19:00 - [93] Originally by: Pang Grohl Originally by: Syath I'm not sure what you guys are talking about but procurement and visibility dont work.. i have procurement up to lvl 4 its doesnt do anything that it says it does past lvl 2, or i havnt found a way, I dont have visibility but if you guys are saying it depends on having procurement then visibility is totally useless right now. Procurement affects the range at which you are able to set remote buy orders, and the area of effect for local buy orders. You can only set buy orders where the item you want to buy is being sold. For example Procurement 3 will let you place a buy order at a station 10 jumps from your current location, provided that the item you want is for sale at that station. Visibility affects the range that your remotely placed buy orders can be filled from. For example Visibility 2 allows you to set the area of effect for your remote buy order to Station, Solar System, 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5 jumps. Anyone please correct me if I've stated any of this incorrectly... Procurement only applies to remote buy orders, which CANNOT BE PLACED AT ALL except at stations where that item is already selling--right click, buy, and then advanced to set the remote buy. Remote buy orders are bugged atm. [23] Member: Official Forum Warrior What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
Nimie	Posted - 2006.02.25 19:57:00 - [94] you can also leave one of that item there, put up a sell order, use that to put up a buy order, than cancel.
Rens PC	Posted - 2006.02.26 01:46:00 - [95] Syath, visibility ONLY affects procurement. If you don't have procurement, visibility does nothing for you, so don't worry about it.
nickersonm	Posted - 2006.02.26 03:11:00 - [96] Undock to easily place remote buy orders. Useful for placing buy orders on your way through a region to somewhere else, too.
Syath	Posted - 2006.02.26 04:53:00 - [97] FINALLY!!!! THANK YOU DARK SHIKARI! hah man it finally makes sense, your on point man I tell ya. I just wanted to know what part of it you were saying it was bugged though?
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.02.26 05:05:00 - [98] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 26/02/2006 05:05:30 Originally by: Syath FINALLY!!!! THANK YOU DARK SHIKARI! hah man it finally makes sense, your on point man I tell ya. I just wanted to know what part of it you were saying it was bugged though? Its "bugged" because you can't place a buy order any way other than trying to buy something and then hitting the advanced tab. You should be able to place a buy order arbitrarily in any station within range, however, if you click "buy order" it'll only show the stations in the system you're in. [23] Member: Official Forum Warrior What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
MOOstradamus	Posted - 2006.02.26 07:18:00 - [99] Edited by: MOOstradamus on 26/02/2006 07:18:30 Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 26/02/2006 05:05:30 Originally by: Syath FINALLY!!!! THANK YOU DARK SHIKARI! hah man it finally makes sense, your on point man I tell ya. I just wanted to know what part of it you were saying it was bugged though? Its "bugged" because you can't place a buy order any way other than trying to buy something and then hitting the advanced tab. You should be able to place a buy order arbitrarily in any station within range, however, if you click "buy order" it'll only show the stations in the system you're in. Its not 'bugged' - its always been this way. You should really stop giving advice upon things you've only just found out about yourself. (I saw the other thread too) MOOrovingian "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
Rens PC	Posted - 2006.02.26 13:59:00 - [100] Moo, just because something has always been that way doesn't mean it isn't a bug...
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.02.26 14:17:00 - [101] Originally by: MOOstradamus Edited by: MOOstradamus on 26/02/2006 07:18:30 Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 26/02/2006 05:05:30 Originally by: Syath FINALLY!!!! THANK YOU DARK SHIKARI! hah man it finally makes sense, your on point man I tell ya. I just wanted to know what part of it you were saying it was bugged though? Its "bugged" because you can't place a buy order any way other than trying to buy something and then hitting the advanced tab. You should be able to place a buy order arbitrarily in any station within range, however, if you click "buy order" it'll only show the stations in the system you're in. Its not 'bugged' - its always been this way. You should really stop giving advice upon things you've only just found out about yourself. (I saw the other thread too) What do you mean? There are plenty of things that have been bugged from the start (sovereignty as a great example, or the Gallente Tower silo bonus). Does these mean they're not "bugs"? I didn't "just find out about this myself." What I found out was the way to bypass the bug. I've known about the bug since day 1. It was not intended that you could not place buy orders outside the same system even with high levels of skill without doing a crappy workaround. [23] Member: Official Forum Warrior What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
Syath	Posted - 2006.02.27 20:36:00 - [102] lol so ya i rest my case... procurement does not work past lvl 2, because at lvl 2 you are able to pick a station within a system and set a buy order there.
MOOstradamus	Posted - 2006.02.28 12:19:00 - [103] Quote: It was not intended that you could not place buy orders outside the same system even with high levels of skill without doing a crappy workaround. You have no idea what was intended with this skill. Once more I ask you to stop pretending to be Mr 'know-it-all' MOOCIFER Emerald/Alpha Oldtimer
FireFoxx80	Posted - 2006.02.28 12:48:00 - [104] What's the workaround? Consider your sig tainted, and all your alcohol stolen - Wrangler Beer=Beer+3
Rens PC	Posted - 2006.02.28 15:11:00 - [105] Moo, I would appreciate it if you took your dispute with Dark Shikari elsewhere. This thread is not about what Devs intended, nor is it about anyone's personal vendetta. It's here to help people, particularly newbies, get involved in trading.
MOOstradamus	Posted - 2006.02.28 18:12:00 - [106] Edited by: MOOstradamus on 28/02/2006 18:13:11 Originally by: Rens PC Moo, I would appreciate it if you took your dispute with Dark Shikari elsewhere. This thread is not about what Devs intended, nor is it about anyone's personal vendetta. It's here to help people, particularly newbies, get involved in trading. Maybe I don't want newbies involved in trading especially when they're gifted everything on a plate .. Maybe all these guides simplifying trading disgust me .. Or Maybe I don't like 'know-it-alls' tainting the advice they leeched from others with their incorrect assumptions - who then go on to brag about their forum prowess and notoriety due in the main to annoying forum whorage .. I like everybody else am entitled to my opinion and freedom to express it on these boards as long as I do so within the rules - thanks MOOCIFER Emerald/Alpha Oldtimer
feroci0us	Posted - 2006.02.28 18:20:00 - [107] three cheers for moostradamus \o/ stop bad mouthing moo;-s Proud Member of the Fountain Alliance
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.02.28 19:19:00 - [108] Originally by: MOOstradamus Quote: It was not intended that you could not place buy orders outside the same system even with high levels of skill without doing a crappy workaround. You have no idea what was intended with this skill. Once more I ask you to stop pretending to be Mr 'know-it-all' No, I know exactly what is intended, because I actually read the devs' posts when these skills were released [23] Member: Official Forum Warrior What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
MOOstradamus	Posted - 2006.02.28 19:47:00 - [109] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: MOOstradamus Quote: It was not intended that you could not place buy orders outside the same system even with high levels of skill without doing a crappy workaround. You have no idea what was intended with this skill. Once more I ask you to stop pretending to be Mr 'know-it-all' No, I know exactly what is intended, because I actually read the devs' posts when these skills were released WOW you read some posts by yourself, misinterpreted them and then came to your own wrong conclusions .. CONGRATS !! Now if only you'd actually spoken to/with any DEVs about this - oh wait now I've put that suggestion into your head I expect you'll comeback saying you did that too .. MOOCIFER Emerald/Alpha Oldtimer
Syath	Posted - 2006.02.28 20:17:00 - [110] moo i havent heard you say anything correct yet just a bunch of flames... so why dont you enlighten us all on how you think procurement and visibility are .... supposed to work in your opinion... or maybe even a dev link would help us all out, then be at ease at take your flame with mr dark elswhere
MOOstradamus	Posted - 2006.02.28 21:33:00 - [111] Originally by: Syath moo i havent heard you say anything correct yet just a bunch of flames... so why dont you enlighten us all on how you think procurement and visibility are .... supposed to work in your opinion... or maybe even a dev link would help us all out, then be at ease at take your flame with mr dark elswhere Shows how little you know .. MOOCIFER Emerald/Alpha Oldtimer
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.02.28 22:45:00 - [112] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 28/02/2006 22:45:22 Originally by: MOOstradamus Originally by: Syath moo i havent heard you say anything correct yet just a bunch of flames... so why dont you enlighten us all on how you think procurement and visibility are .... supposed to work in your opinion... or maybe even a dev link would help us all out, then be at ease at take your flame with mr dark elswhere Shows how little you know .. Actually it shows how much he knows . Who are you to say that I somehow "misinterpreted" the devs' very straightforward description of the Procurement skill? Or the post where they stated that the Procurement skill was in fact broken? Please stop trolling. [23] Member: Official Forum Warrior What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
MOOstradamus	Posted - 2006.02.28 23:27:00 - [113] Edited by: MOOstradamus on 28/02/2006 23:29:17 Right just to prove how clueless certain people are I hunted around the boards for a few minutes and look what I found .. Trading Skills thread In particular pay attention to the section on Procurement and then a further explanation here Finally notice this post from the frequently posting loudmouth above. Isn't it interesting how up until recently he didn't know how to correctly use Procurement despite: Quote: -You can only set a purchase order for items actually on sale. I mean, if you dock your ship and open the market tab, you can set a purchase order for ANYTHING that exists on the market, even if said item is not currently being sold anywhere in your region. But if you want to put a purchase order of that item in a station 10 jumps away, you will need Procurement lvl3 AND THE ITEM HAS TO BE BEING SOLD AT SAID STATION. (if somebody knows it different give me a holler) Perhaps now some of you newer players will appreciate how annoying Dark Shikari (created 15-Oct-2004 barely 3 weeks before Shiva/Exodus hit) is and why he frustrates/irritates others that have been around a lot longer than him and actually know what they're talking about (or not as the case may be) and don't feel the need to brag & show off .. Quote: Or the post where they stated that the Procurement skill was in fact broken? Please back this up with evidence .. MOOCIFER Emerald/Alpha Oldtimer
Nybbas	Posted - 2006.02.28 23:33:00 - [114] hehehe if only you were all here to see how moocifer was back in pre beta when he first joined the forums : ) (lets just say he had as many if not more posts in his first three weeks than most of us had accumulated over a year and a half) But anyways this whole subject confuses me... wth is the point of the procurement skill then? i dont really get it...
MOOstradamus	Posted - 2006.02.28 23:38:00 - [115] N00bass I first joined the EVE forums in January 2001 and even though I know how you love to hate me in public - please get your facts straight first MOOCIFER Emerald/Alpha Oldtimer
Nybbas	Posted - 2006.03.01 00:03:00 - [116] Edited by: Nybbas on 01/03/2006 00:03:36 All i know for a fact is your post count going from 20 to way freaking about most anyone elses in a matter of weeks : )... and of course getting on the forums and seeing nothing but "moocifer" as the last poster each.
MOOstradamus	Posted - 2006.03.01 00:09:00 - [117] The good old days eh ?? MOOCIFER Emerald/Alpha Oldtimer
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.03.01 01:03:00 - [118] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 01/03/2006 01:03:42 Originally by: MOOstradamus Edited by: MOOstradamus on 28/02/2006 23:29:17 Right just to prove how clueless certain people are I hunted around the boards for a few minutes and look what I found .. Trading Skills thread In particular pay attention to the section on Procurement and then a further explanation here Finally notice this post from the frequently posting loudmouth above. Isn't it interesting how up until recently he didn't know how to correctly use Procurement despite: Quote: -You can only set a purchase order for items actually on sale. I mean, if you dock your ship and open the market tab, you can set a purchase order for ANYTHING that exists on the market, even if said item is not currently being sold anywhere in your region. But if you want to put a purchase order of that item in a station 10 jumps away, you will need Procurement lvl3 AND THE ITEM HAS TO BE BEING SOLD AT SAID STATION. (if somebody knows it different give me a holler) Perhaps now some of you newer players will appreciate how annoying Dark Shikari (created 15-Oct-2004 barely 3 weeks before Shiva/Exodus hit) is and why he frustrates/irritates others that have been around a lot longer than him and actually know what they're talking about (or not as the case may be) and don't feel the need to brag & show off .. Quote: Or the post where they stated that the Procurement skill was in fact broken? Please back this up with evidence .. Not a single post you have linked to is posted by a dev. Since you refuse to post any actual evidence, I will ignore you. You are no better than an alt. Being "old" does not give you the right to crap on other people's threads. [23] Member: Official Forum Warrior What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
Daddy's Princess	Posted - 2006.03.01 01:38:00 - [119] Some people just can't fight the gift of being public experts at everything. The sooner you accept this the happier your forum experience will be.
MOOstradamus	Posted - 2006.03.01 12:44:00 - [120] Quote: You are no better than an alt. Being "old" does not give you the right to crap on other people's threads. I've called a mod to clean up this mess. And you are no better than anyone else - so stop acting like it MOOCIFER Emerald/Alpha Oldtimer

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