Noone can tell you how to play your game, its your decision. But keep in mind two things:

- You have to decide for yourself whether you want to maximize fun or minimize risk. You cant do both.

- The only way to get better at pvp is to actually fight.

KEEP POSTING !!! Bob knows your true carebearing colors.

I would have tried the second fight, I think you underestimate the benefit the pulsar woyuld have given you, since your making them come to you I would move the basis out to 50ish really forcing them to burn out to even apply DPs to them, letting you brawl on the Wh with your logis almost outside the fight.

Even if you lost it would have been much more fun, and probably netted you major respect points.

Contacting them also shouldnt be discounted, almost every notable WH crew will gladly adapt to get a fight, if it means changing ships so be it. I know If we were in SSCs shoes wed trade some t3s for t1s to ensure that we get a fight, and I am fairly certain they would too.

This was an interesting blog and got me thinking a lot about WH newbros.
If I could add my two cents...you need to make an honest assessment to whether you feel the risk is worth it. The standard "engage and have fun" is a good motto to live by, but when FCing with other people's time earned ISK, make intelligent decisions.

This comes from knowing your enemies, knowing the battlefield, and everything else included. It comes from being a good FC and a good leader, and there's no differences between being a good FC or leader in wormholes than in any other part of the game, despite the rhetoric that sometimes goes out. If you come into wormholes in a good faith effort to fight and PvP then you will rarely be that alliance that everyone comes to hate, and more likely you'll be welcomed.

If I could impart one thing to new WH bros (which is against my own interest) it would be: don't be a lemming. The WH bro code is good, I like it, I like people that follow it, I try and follow it. But just losing ships for the sake of fights is only something you'll hear experienced WH entities tell newer players. The rest of us are too wizened to fall for that line.

Finally, if you agree with the NPC alt then wormholes aren't for you. The T3 fleet is the best kind of grindy uber blue ball of death. The kind where you fight for 30 minutes with a web of armor repairing and capacitor feeding and neuting, where one mistake tips the fight into a cascade. Not all WH fights are like that, but when you get one you realize how awesome it is.

That or someone goes ballz in and kicks things up a notch making it more fun.. Another fun trick for OP is to know your WH mass.. When they bring in there gang.. have a triage log in and allign to the hole.. when you pull them off the hole warp a carrier into the hole and jump it back and forth and collapse them in..

Then you can brawl outrageous...

when your the underdog fun little tricks make all the difference

You did the right thing. Any time you see multiple guardians and T3s - just pos up. If they can't field a fun fleet to fight then forget them. Even if I can get an even fight out of one of those fleets - I pass. Eventually.... maybe..... someday it will dawn on the T3 mantra gang that their fleet is the reason they have no fun. Then mayhaps they will shed their risk averse blankies and change their fleet up. Honestly, I don't think most of them will be able to transition to a different fleet comp until someone spoon feeds them the next I WIN button.

That being said, adhoc is a pretty cool group of guys. Risk averse has never come to mind when dealing with them. I've seen them throw down more than once then the obvious odds are against them.

Fighting the 3-5 guardian and kitchen sink T3 gang just isn't fun. You pound away on a pile of bricks for hours and finally someone tips the scale or else one side withdraws. It's a boring fleet to fight. There is no skill involved in beating it - you either out dps their logi or you don't. [don't bother with posting all the counters, we've all heard them a zillion times] It's a low skill, high tank lumbering blob of UNFUN. Do your part to make wh space fun again - ignore the numpty noobs in those fleets. They will change or wither and pass on.

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People keep coming up with this statement saying there is no counter but DPS, and it makes me **** myself laughing at how bad you are at brawl fleets every time =) There are plenty of counters I won't bother posting them for you because if you can't figure them out yourself you don't deserve to hear them.

T3 never killed wormhole fights, all that will happen if they go away is everyone will change to CMD ships, which with less utility slots and less dps means fleets will get much much larger because then dps WILL be all that will win fights.
The nature of wormholes themselves encourage/demand brawl fights, if you can't adapt you will wither and die not the other way round.

As to dps versus logi, there is a lower limit for what size a gang can be before most counters start to work versus the other side, that's just the nature of things. a 4/5 an dps fleet is going to struggle to kill anything with logi on field ever. you need around 20 subcaps to be able to apply enough damage in the time alloted.

Mind you if you have 4 dps dealers and your fighting on a hole then even with no logi on the field the enemy would have to act ******** to allow you to kill a single one of them when they can just jump back and warp away. That's how wormholes work. IF you want 0,0 go there most wh crews that can't take fights in wh tend to do just that, and then gank what they can from the rest.

Nah. If there was a really good counter to t3s you would see that all the time. It just takes one group to find out something new and it spreads like a wilfire. T3s are generaly the best at close combat.
I think you are right thoug about that cmd ship would probably be a good contender if there was no t3s around. But the biggest problem with the t3s, is that as fast you get into the range of the loki / protii you get forced to brawl because you cant get away.
You could go to the route to have ships that shoots 55k+ out but dps and counter tackle will be problematic.

So t3s with control sphere + the choke points really limits what you could do if you are in a smaller gang. In k-space movement is often the key and the answer to fighting the blob.

You did the right thing. Any time you see multiple guardians and T3s - just pos up. If they can't field a fun fleet to fight then forget them. Even if I can get an even fight out of one of those fleets - I pass.

Then mayhaps they will shed their risk averse blankies and change their fleet up.

We only fly T3 and we only fly in real large numbers.

every instance of SSC that I've seen or heard about, you fly with a proper fleet or you don't fly

You should stop getting all your intel from EN24, we welp more often than we dont...

... but rarely against School of Applied Knowledge.