we are not here to debate if other subs are balanced compared to this one but how could we balance this one to be on par with the others : loki need an assault optimisation or something similar

I can't agree, removing split weapon systems from Minmatar is a very bad idea, making Cyclone/Claymore/Typhoon into pure' missile ships was also a very bad idea, we need more complex flavour in the ships and less homogenization into strict guns or missiles setups.

I suggest something in the lines of:

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In any case the bonuses need to be appropriate to reflect the needs to become useful rather than just display theoretical maximum damage output and then fail in any kind of practical application.

Minmatar needs more viable split weapon ships, not 'pure' missile ships.

You should look up "Projectile Scooping Array" and "Turret Concurrence Registry" subsystems. What Loki currently lacks is a proper missile sub (or a split v2 weapon system offensive subsystem, like scythe fleet issue has).

and dont forget to redesign teh capacitor rewgenaration matrix looks because its ******* digusting....

... his version would be hilariously overpowered.

Debating if other subsystems are balanced compared to this one and debating how we could balance this one to be on par with the others are kind of the same thing, aren't they? At the very least, they both serve the same purpose.

Anyway, the whole problem with the subsystem is that it forces you to fit a Loki with both turrets and missiles. If you were able to fit a full rack of guns or a full rack of missiles (pilot's choice, naturally) then this subsystem would be completely fine.

Just a thought: current split weapon Loki sub might bring a lot of fun in prospect of changed mechanics for RLMs. Have 3 or 4 artis do their job and 4-3 rapids for burst damage every now and then.

This isn't the loki fleet issue subsystem. Stop comparing to scyFI. No other t3 has a split subsystem that I'm aware of. Give the loki a dedicated sub. 1 missile bonus sub is lame when every other subsystem gives 2 sometimes 3 bonuses to their weapon class. I like the rof and explosion velocity bonus. Simple and effective.

This isn't the loki fleet issue subsystem. Stop comparing to scyFI. No other t3 has a split subsystem that I'm aware of. Give the loki a dedicated sub. 1 missile bonus sub is lame when every other subsystem gives 2 sometimes 3 bonuses to their weapon class. I like the rof and explosion velocity bonus. Simple and effective.

Please elaborate.

No other race uses split weapon bonuses on their other ships, either. Minmatar does. Your argument is invalid.

EDIT: Technically, the Legion's "Drone Synthesis Projector" counts as a split weapons system, giving a bonus to drones and a bonus to lasers. The Proteus also has a "Drone Synthesis Projector" that gives a damage bonus to hybrids and bonuses to drones.

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Your version, while not bad at all, gives the subsystem two full sets of bonuses. Look at the other ships with Split v2 bonuses and you'll see that they don't get nearly the same amount of power as you're proposing to give them.

In light of CCP's recent changes, it would make sense to turn Hardpoint Efficiency Configuration into a dedicated missile subsystem.

Current effects:
7.5% bonus to medium projectile turret rate of fire per level
7.5% bonus to missile launcher rate of fire per level

Dedicated missile effects: (much like Tengu's Accelerated Ejection Bay)
5% bonus to Explosive Missile Damage per level
7.5% bonus to Heavy, Heavy Assault and Rapid Light missile launcher rate of fire per level
7.5% bonus to Target Painter effectiveness


NOTE:
Don't hate about the bonuses, support the idea of HAM Lokis and let CCP do their thing.