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Jake Solnich	Posted - 2003.09.02 15:17:00 - [1] Megacorps and regional alliances appear to be gobbling up large pieces of valuable territory and claiming it as their own. This leaves freelancing individuals and independent small corps out in the cold so to speak. What it all boils down to is that Eve is slowly becoming a universe run by megacorps and alliances and not by the community as a whole. I could be wrong but it surely is starting to look that way to me. Feel free to agree or disagree, but please give me a good reason why. Is this what we want? I for one do not want this to happen, but I believe that it is inevitable. *I would rather die a free man than live as a slave.*
Iece Quaan	Posted - 2003.09.02 15:18:00 - [2] Taking? Taken. =) --------
SavX	Posted - 2003.09.02 15:27:00 - [3] I agree. Mega corps are starting to take over the Market/Economy/Rare Ore/Systems... But what us small corps have to do, is join together and FIGHT THEM. I say.. All these little forgotted corps, all of us join together and wipe out these mega corps, in one HUGE war. Don't Kill The Corp.. Kill the Suppliers.
Jake Solnich	Posted - 2003.09.02 15:31:00 - [4] Edited by: Jake Solnich on 02/09/2003 17:00:23 Edited by: Jake Solnich on 02/09/2003 15:37:37 Lol.....SavX, man you really hit it on the head man! This is exact response I was hoping to get. Maybe all the freelancers and small corps should form a coalition to make all of the Eve universe free and accessible for everyone! *I would rather die a free man than live as a slave.*
Riddari	Posted - 2003.09.02 15:45:00 - [5] Quote: Lol.....SavX, man you really hit it on the head man! This is exact response I was hoping to get. Maybe all the freelancers and small corps should form a coalition to make all of the Eve universe free and accessible for everyone! SavX did hit the nail on the head. One Question Jake Solnich.. "free and accessible for everyone" does that mean the "bad alliances and megacorps" as well having free access to the areas that you now want to take from them? Eve is about power. The only way to take power is by force. Don't complain, just grab a gun and put your ISK and ships to your cause. ¼©¼ a history
SavX	Posted - 2003.09.02 15:48:00 - [6] I mean it, the corp I'm in now are solo miners and most of them including myself have a battleship. And where only 1 small corp. Imagine all of the unknown corps joined together, they would out number Megacorps by hundreads. Don't Kill The Corp.. Kill the Suppliers.
Jake Solnich	Posted - 2003.09.02 15:49:00 - [7] Edited by: Jake Solnich on 02/09/2003 15:51:48 Edited by: Jake Solnich on 02/09/2003 15:49:08 Ah yes Riddari your right....but I am only one man. However, I am beginning to formulate a plan and this discussion is the first step. Let all the free minded people of Eve come together and find a solution to this problem. P.S. - SavX, I'll be looking you up in game to discuss this further. Maybe we could get this thing started. *I would rather die a free man than live as a slave.*
SavX	Posted - 2003.09.02 15:51:00 - [8] If small corps would join together to fight, I would join.. But I don't have the time or Brain Energy to arrange it... Don't Kill The Corp.. Kill the Suppliers.
Zoson	Posted - 2003.09.02 15:51:00 - [9] As a solo player, it's not what I want, but it's a natural and inevitable outcome.
Ulstan	Posted - 2003.09.02 15:52:00 - [10] I don't know where this idea that one guy by himself should be able to accomplish everything that hundreds of focused people working together do came from. Sure you should be able to have quite a decent time as a freelancer. Get your own bship. It's not too hard. But you're not going to have as much power as a huge megacorp, and that's just the way it goes.
Jake Solnich	Posted - 2003.09.02 16:14:00 - [11] Edited by: Jake Solnich on 02/09/2003 16:15:58 And Ulstan why not!? I refuse that idea and challenge that you tell me why. With enough time and effort I tell you I can accomplish what a hundred men could do. I'm not saying I could do it in the same time span however. That's the catch. Point is, if it's up to the megacorps and alliances no single man or small corp will ever achieve what they can because that means more competition for them. Nooo, they don't want more competition because most megacorps and alliances want all the valuable asteroid fields, trade runs to themselves. Their not interested in sharing, all they want is to dominate and oppress freelancers and small corps. I really have no problem with corporations and alliances who make no territorial claims. What I do have a problem with is someone telling me that a region of space is theirs and I can't mine there. It is my belief that all of the Eve universe should be free and accessible to all and not just a select few who happen to belong to a megacorp or an alliance. This is my dream and I believe the dream of every free minded man and woman *I would rather die a free man than live as a slave.*
Lliandra	Posted - 2003.09.02 16:23:00 - [12] On the subject of all small corps / freelancers uniting, I can only agree.... I even build website to support such a thing: EVE-Central. Here players (and small corps) can register and get all kinds of cool things in a nice central place. You even get som enice features, such as private forums and in-game sites. The best thing about this is that most small corps don't have the time / manpower to build these themselves. You all go check it out and tell me what you think. Freelancers should sign up for the Freelancers group, that way you are registered on the in-game site (http://evecentral.ractoc.com/ingame) as well. Ractoc aka. Lliandra Site Admin for EVE-Central Lliandra aka. Ractoc Site Admin for EVE-Central
Stue	Posted - 2003.09.02 16:28:00 - [13] This seems quite familiar. Planetarion anyone? This is just a natural process. This game will (prolly) never reset. So this process will go into extremes.
Die Harpie	Posted - 2003.09.02 16:32:00 - [14] Jake, that would be bad for business don't you know. If someone makes a claim to an area and they have the means to back it up, well, it's up to you to sneak past, take it away from them, stay away from it altogether or join them. Laying claim to an area is a perfectly valid tactic and a part of this game, learn to live with it. Why should a MegaCorp find an area of space that is rich in minerals and say to everyone else, "Hey! Found the good stuff! Come and take it out from under us! We don't care about profit at all! We want to be mediocre!" You could go out on your own, but, it doesn't sound like you are much of a risk taker from your post, I could be wrong. You can't always get something for nothing, especially in 0.0. El toro caca, Die Harpie "I don't like food anymore!"
Jake Solnich	Posted - 2003.09.02 16:39:00 - [15] Die Harpie, I believe the matter is far more complicated than that. I didn't even mention blockading tactics that some well known corporations use. What if I just want to travel through a region of space? Am I expected to pay a toll just because I'm passing through? I think not. I think most people know what I'm refering to when it comes to the aggressive nature of the megacorps and alliances that use these kind of tatics. Need I say more? *I would rather die a free man than live as a slave.*
Silinary	Posted - 2003.09.02 16:41:00 - [16] Quote: Edited by: Jake Solnich on 02/09/2003 16:15:58 And Ulstan why not!? I refuse that idea and challenge that you tell me why. With enough time and effort I tell you I can accomplish what a hundred men could do. I'm not saying I could do it in the same time span however. That's the catch. You seem to have it all right here. One person can indeed do what 100 people can do, it just takes 100 times as long. All these megacorps, alliances, whatever can get things done faster and more efficient. You on the other hand alone just take a little slower. You can have what they got, it will just take you time. The only thingy you miss is claiming an entire reginon or 2 or 3 to yourself. Do you really want the hasstle of having to defend an entire region from player pirates? Claiming a region isn't exactly a cake walk and waltzing in and sayign , we own this spot!. There will always be someone to challenge you, to take it away. Will you be strong enough to keep it just you? or would it eb a might bit easier with 99 of your friends? Competition comes and goes... its the way of the market. You have a dream, a good one, and I would indeed like to see your dream be true, but the only way it will be true, is if you have the power to knock all other megacorps and alliances to pieces. With that power, something resemblingyour dream could exist .. . but likly won't, because then, people will think of you as the oppressor, and not them. I also have possible other information you might be intrested in ... contact me with Eve-mail. You can do anything you set your mind to.
Beringe	Posted - 2003.09.02 16:46:00 - [17] Funny that some people are suggesting that in order for the small time loner to have an influence, he must band with other small time loners in order to form a... ...megacorp? Really, a small time loner cannot have military power. That is an oxymoron. But speak softly and carry a big stick, and you may find yourself influencing things on the sly, without actually having a fleet of ships. Some people have already done so. ------------------------------------------- "My main griveance with the Caldari state was that once I had finished my work for them, they wanted me dead." "No, it's none of your business."
Lycan	Posted - 2003.09.02 16:56:00 - [18] Edited by: Lycan on 02/09/2003 16:56:51 well i am feed up with all the regional alliances laying claim to all the land around eve (and most act like pirates). its about some one trys to get the people to rise up and put an stop to this.
Klydor	Posted - 2003.09.02 17:14:00 - [19] Regional alliances will in time destroy themselves. Its the nature of things, alliances are formed, eventually they decide their not big enough or don't like what another alliance is doing and pop there goes an alliance. New ones will spring up to meet the gap, and the circle will continue.
Redan Chulipa	Posted - 2003.09.02 17:25:00 - [20] In case you've been blind the last few days and missed the Venal civil war there's a place for you to go, they're still shooting down everyone but they're no longer in control of the situation. Time to take advantage and scavenge. Good luck.
Counter Point	Posted - 2003.09.02 17:47:00 - [21] I agree wholeheartedly. The first step is to punch holes in the veils of secrecy and disinformation that these organizations have pulled over everyone. I'm sure there are many people who think that ethics and fairness are worthy things and are feeling a bit uncomfortable with their corp's or alliances. Speak up about it. This kind of slime and corruption grows best in the dark. I've little knowledge about any organzation but the Fountain Alliance but I've just started a thread about that HERE. Feel free to make comment here or there. Counter Point --- Shall we fall for a lack of reason? It's frightfully possible in the world of tomorrow.
Veruna Caseti	Posted - 2003.09.02 17:53:00 - [22] Edited by: Veruna Caseti on 02/09/2003 17:54:15 Quote: Megacorps and regional alliances appear to be gobbling up large pieces of valuable territory and claiming it as their own. Well, that's the whole point to forming large corporations or extended alliances. This is a surprise to you? Quote: Is this what we want? It is what the corporations and alliances want. Quote: I mean it, the corp I'm in now are solo miners and most of them including myself have a battleship. And where only 1 small corp. Imagine all of the unknown corps joined together, they would out number Megacorps by hundreads. Imagine someone capable of making this happen. Imagine it, because it will only ever exist in your imagination. All these CEOs have dreams of dominating the universe or creating their own megacorporation. They have different plans for doing so, and different ideas about how to run a corp. You think just because it's a "good idea" that they will all band together and form a huge corporations? Think again. Quote: What I do have a problem with is someone telling me that a region of space is theirs and I can't mine there. Aww, what ashame. You choose to play solo, play with the consequences. Those people who have the will, dedication and leadership to put together large corporations can do what they please with that power. The people willing to "follow" get to ride the coattails and enjoy some of the perks. People like you who think you can do it all alone get table scraps. =) Quote: well i am feed up with all the regional alliances laying claim to all the land around eve (and most act like pirates). its about some one trys to get the people to rise up and put an stop to this. Haha. Then what are you going to do? Lay claim to the land yourself? EVE is a multiplayer game. It is DESIGNED so that players who cooperate in large groups will be FAR more successful than those who cannot or will not. You want easy money w/o worrying about the hardships of running a corporation or the "duty" of joining one. Well, tough **** as they say. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Veruna Caseti O.R.E. Syndicate Confederation of Free Stars Veruna Caseti Ishukone
Trianon Starstealer	Posted - 2003.09.02 18:15:00 - [23] What we need to do is get together a group of 20 to 30 BS's and maybe hte same numbe rof cruisers/frigates, and then go and break some blockades...yes there will be loses (if any of the pirate corps have a pair of balls and stand and fight) These people are not used to people ganging up on them, they rely on fear to prevent people from freely exploring and mining the outer ring areas. There must be some small corps willing to help out in this, lets clean out a few of these illegal blockades.
Drutort	Posted - 2003.09.02 18:19:00 - [24] Quote: I agree. Mega corps are starting to take over the Market/Economy/Rare Ore/Systems... But what us small corps have to do, is join together and FIGHT THEM. I say.. All these little forgotted corps, all of us join together and wipe out these mega corps, in one HUGE war. hahah look at your own words ALL... what does that make you then? you can put whatever tag for that "ALL" but then you would be 1 or so... and thus making your MEGA whatever you want to call it... haha you want to be safe and in controlled area? well stay in empire space... BTW isnt the EMPIRE a REALLY REALLY MEGA CORP in a way... but just lets you do whatever the hell you want? besides kill each other??? regardless of how you look at it... someone is always controlling someone... and you either fallow them or you are against them. there is no buts or ifs about it[.] support Idea: QuickInfo an alternative to ShowInfo my MoBlog
Drutort	Posted - 2003.09.02 18:23:00 - [25] Edited by: Drutort on 02/09/2003 18:28:38 you guys seem to not be happy being small.. but you get what you are pretty much... you are small you hold small area... whatever it might be for short time etc.. your small area might be just to fend for your self... big corp can find for bigger area... alliance can find for a region and so on... empires can hold number of regions and etc... get the picture yet??? BTW why do you need a game to explain this.... why dont you look at were you live IRL... just look at RL and how things are run... then you will see that eve is very similar fashion.... just that the RL world is very established in most parts... and those small areas if they hold of no value are left unclaimed or unpopulated and undefended. Also you might want to go and read up on some HISTORY while your at it. support Idea: QuickInfo an alternative to ShowInfo my MoBlog
Goldar Hektu	Posted - 2003.09.02 18:31:00 - [26] I've never joined a corp, as the title of lackey doesn't rest well on my shoulders. I may be wrong here on game realities, but in the real world, the little guy can compete with the megacorps because of one factor that is completely ignored by CCP (are you listening devs?) - overhead. This game would be much more balanced if the realities of large corps were accurately reflected in the game. How? 1. Enable the docking fees that are talked about in the manual. That way a ship-building megacorp would have enormous fees associated with housing all the ships they build. It would apply to corps that don't build ships, also, because they'd have to pay for all the docking fees associated with the corp hanger. 2. Tax income should have an associated overhead for banking fees and such. 3. Publicly traded corps in RL have to hire auditors to check their books. This is a service that is expensive. A monthly charge based on revenue would simulate this. 4. Corporations pay taxes in RL. They should pay taxes to factions that exert sovereignty over their offices. Frankly, Eve is almost setup as dream world for corps. No taxes, no overhead, no bureaucracy, none of the usual responsibilities that corps have to bear. Yes, a corporation of 100 people can accomplish more than I can, but not at 100 to 1. More like 75 to 1 at best. Since you are all corporate lackeys, and I am an enlightened FREE MAN, it's more like 1.25 to 1. :) Your 150mm Railgun II perfectly strikes Serpentis Drug Baron, wrecking for 192.8 damage.
Die Harpie	Posted - 2003.09.02 18:45:00 - [27] No, you did not mention gate camping and neither did I. You did, however, mention this: Quote: What I do have a problem with is someone telling me that a region of space is theirs and I can't mine there. So, how are they to know that you are just 'passing through'? They can't becuase, as far as they know, you'll lie to them just to get near the good rocks. Vive le poodoo, Die Harpie "I don't like food anymore!"
Styrmir	Posted - 2003.09.02 18:52:00 - [28] Will this not just be another alliance, just like the rest of them? To make an alliance against alliances I can't wait for the aliance to tackle the new one.... Founder and Manager of The Misneden Shuttle Museum
Veruna Caseti	Posted - 2003.09.02 19:09:00 - [29] Edited by: Veruna Caseti on 02/09/2003 19:12:01 Edited by: Veruna Caseti on 02/09/2003 19:10:26 *Goldar Hektu: Quote:* I've never joined a corp, as the title of lackey doesn't rest well on my shoulders. So join a corporation that doesn't treat its new members like lackeys. There are plenty out there that treat new members as equals, help new players learn the game and become stronger, and generally cooperate in a fun teamwork environment without the feeling of a hierarchy or superiority of the directors/CEO. You have a very narrow view of corporations, perhaps you should try to experience more of what is available to you instead of being so judgemental from the start based on incorrect assumptions. Quote: Frankly, Eve is almost setup as dream world for corps. Well, since you've never even JOINED a corporation let alone run one, you obviously have no idea what's involved in the process of creating and maintaining a successful corporation. The midrange corporations - the MAJORITY of them - are just barely scraping by. They mine their own minerals to produce ships which they must sell at a very small profit in order to compete with other manufacturers. They deal with locating their goods, finding available office space with factories and labs (much harder than most people think it is), training and supplying new members, making up for losing ships to NPC and PC pirates, finding blueprints in order to further the manufacturing power, etc., etc. There is plenty of overhead in EVE, just because it's not direct withdrawals from corporate accounts doesn't mean it's not there. It exists in competition, and time investments. I think it's hilarious that you make such broad generalizations about the role of coporations in EVE when you admit yourself you have never even joined one! Don't speak so fervently about something you obviously know very little about. Veruna Caseti Ishukone
Liscia Thierese	Posted - 2003.09.02 19:12:00 - [30] Whoever made the point about alliances being cyclical was spot on. The internecine fighting amongst VA members illustrates how empty these noble, lauded concepts actually are when it's time to kick out the jams and actually put one's resolve to the test. If you would like to contribute to an alliance with more liberal affectations then please investigate this thread on EVE-I.com: Small Corp Alliance I reiterate that perceived ingame problems have ingame solutions.

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