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Aessaya wrote:

Sigras wrote:

Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:

Sigras wrote:

they're 25% better . . . what more do you want? As a person who did train all of the leadership skills to 5 I think this T2 bonus is more than enough.

That with base bonus of 2% for T1, upgrade on T2 (2,5% bonus) is 14% boost...
That with base bonus of 3% for T1, upgrade on T2 (3,5% bonus) is around 10% (didn't calculate this accurate) boost...
That with base bonus of 4,5% for T1, upgrade on T2 (5% bonus) is 4% boost...

Math for the last case:

bornaa wrote:

if someone dont believe me
Here is math in 3 decimals which corresponds to the actual in game values:

Maximum Skills, Orca
Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization (2%)
T1 Mining Foreman Link - Mining Laser Field Enhancement (4.5%)
T2 Mining Foreman Link - Mining Laser Field Enhancement (5%)

with T1 gang links:

Range Link Bonus = 0.045 * 5 * (1 + 5 * 0.10) * (1 + 5 * 0.03) * (1 + 0.50) = 0.5821875

Maximum Laser Range = 15 km * (1 + 0.5821875) = 23.732 km

with T2 gang links:

Range Link Bonus = 0.05 * 5 * (1 + 5 * 0.10) * (1 + 5 * 0.03) * (1 + 0.50) = 0.646875

Maximum Laser Range = 15 km * (1 + 0.646875) = 24.703 km

You do realize that youre talking about applied effect vs statistic effect?
You do realize that the T2 armor hardener only gets a 10% resist bonus over its T1 variant?

This is why I dislike EFT, because people look at the numbers and not the actual effects in game . . .
Allow me to try some math

Armor EM Hardener I - (50%)
Armor EM Hardener II - (55%)

with a T1 Hardener on an Omen
Base EM Resist = 50%
EM hole to be filled = 50% * 50% module bonus
Applied effect from the module = 25%
Resist net effect = 75%

with a T2 Hardener on an Omen
Base EM Resist = 50%
EM hole to be filled = 50% * 55% module bonus
Applied effect from the module = 27.5%
Resist net effect = 77.5%

So a T2 Armor EM Hardener only provides a 2.5% applied effect more than the T1 yet for some reason everyone uses T2 . . . I wonder why that is . . .

You, sir, fail at maths (at least, at EVE maths).
Yes, the net resistance in this case is 77.5% versus 75%, which is increase of 2.5 if you consider numeric values, however, resistance percentages do not work this way. You have to look at them as damage reduction, thus it's 22.5% damage versus 25%, which is (1-0.225/0.25)*100 = 0.1*100 = 10% (oh, suprise!).
The other thing is, if you apply a single resistance effect you will always get the same damage reduction in percentages, no matter what base resistance you had there. I will illustrate this by saying, that difference between 95% and 97.5% resistances is the same numeric value of 2.5, while this results in whopping 50% decrease in damage (from 5% to 2.5%).

I hope you understood what i was saying.

This also means that 25% increase in ganglink's base bonus will carry over to 25% increase of link's bonus after all skill, implant and hull bonuses (percentage bonuses are essentially multiplication, and the order in which you make the multiplication does not matter).

On the other hand, difference for t2 links vs t1 links is not 25% per se (well, it is 25% for those links that have 2% base).
We're looking at:
2 -> 2.5 = 2,5/2 = +25%
3 -> 3.5 = 3.5/3 = +16.6(6)%
4.5 -> 5 = 5/4.5 = +11.1(1)%

So, for the mining links in question the difference is: 0.646875 / 0.5821875 = 11.1(1)% (suprise?)

edit:
quick tip: when calculating percent difference we divide the new value by the old value, thus, comparing t2 module to t1 module we do (1 - [t2 mod eff.] / [t1 mod eff.]) * 100