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CCP Ytterbium C C P C C P Alliance 3042	Posted - 2013.11.19 23:01:00 - [1] - Quote Sarah McKnobbo wrote: Well I've got mastery 3 on a freighter I cant fly..... That's the point, Masteries are tied to Certificates, not Spaceship Command skills. We wanted to show you ships you have locked but can potentially fly with good skills And glad you boyz and girlz love the ISIS, I'll pass that feeling around.


CCP Ytterbium C C P C C P Alliance 3042	Posted - 2013.11.19 23:05:00 - [2] - Quote ElQuirko wrote: No subsystem skills necessary for mastery of the Proteus. At all. I call shenanigans? Tech 3 are a royal pain in the in the rear exhaust pipe to show properly in the ISIS, because of their modular nature. I just wanted to remove them from the game while laughing maniacally, but various Dev quickly attached me in some closet while kicking me in the face. We would like to show the Tech 3 ships properly in the future, but that's going to take some effort.


CCP Ytterbium C C P C C P Alliance 3046	Posted - 2013.11.20 09:50:00 - [3] - Quote Roofdog wrote: I do like ISIS, it looks awesome. only a few little things i noticed on checking out the ships i can fly. apperently on logi's like guadians and scimitars you need Advanced Target Management Level V. which would mean you got the skills for 12 targets. only the ship can only target 10. same with carriers. only way to get more targets is an auto targetter but thats kindoff useless on such a ship. on Jumpfreigters it says you need capital ships lvl V for max mastery, but according to the discription of the skill it doesn't do anything for those ships. since you don't need the cap ship skill for flying a JF. so i'm wondering does the cap ship skill do anything for my JF or is the mastery thing wrong? Those are good points, I'm looking at Certificates / Masteries right now and changing them not to give you guys inaccurate information. I've seen from a Reddit thread that industrials and logistics ships require WU and AWU despite having no use for weapons, I'm also looking at removing that (for those with accounts there feel free to link that post to them).


CCP Ytterbium C C P C C P Alliance 3048	Posted - 2013.11.20 12:07:00 - [4] - Quote Mark Cato wrote: Stuff 1. Mastery do not include ship skills by design, since they are tied to Certificates, not Spaceship Command skills. Again, the whole point is to allow the user to see which hulls he could fly with good skills even if hasn't trained the main requirements for it. For instance, if I have trained for the Incursus, I know I may be good in Catalyst or Federation Navy Comet without having them unlocked. It allows the user to set high level goals. 2. Mastery V are supposed to be elite. Having all the skills that are even marginally useful maxed is the whole point of them. It's at this point we want the user to feel he / she has completed everything tied with the ship he's flying, including things like all Tech 2 drone specialization for drone ships for instance. It isn't supposed to be fast or easy to reach - EVE is not about instant gratification. For new players or even mid-term users, Masteries 1-4 is where the meat of the content is I agree some skills aren't needed though, which is why I'm tweaking them as we speak, but Masteries V aren't supposed to be easily reached, so train harder. 3. That is a good point, may want to look into that. As mentioned above, ISIS and the new Certificates are meant to be a guideline for new players, a progression tool for the average Joe or a completion tool for maniac OCD people like me. It cannot be made to tailor every single need for the advanced user in all cases, unfortunately, that's what Corporation Certificate would be for. We aren't planning on working on those straight away, but they definitely are in our to-do list.


CCP Ytterbium C C P C C P Alliance 3048	Posted - 2013.11.20 12:11:00 - [5] - Quote Mark Cato wrote: I appreciate your response! Don't misunderstand the tone of my post. I'm annoyed about the details, but I think ISIS is a fantastic (and pretty!) initiative in general. No worries, your feedback was constructive


CCP Arrow C C P C C P Alliance 476	Posted - 2013.11.22 12:42:00 - [6] - Quote Sir Jack Falstaff wrote: Great work on the ISIS system, devs! Just playing around with it a bit this morning and at first glance, there's a lot to like. Clear and readable, I really like the catalog tree for the various ships with the wireframe icons. It's a great reference for relative newbs such as myself (and I would imagine for more experienced players as well). Excellent GUI work: it is very challenging to present that much information in a legible and visually appealing way, and you guys have done both. Thank you, It's very rewarding to get appreciations from our players, it fuels us to do even better CCP Arrow-á-á\|-á Game Design Director -á\|-á-áEVE Online -á\|-á-á@CCP_Arrow


CCP Arrow C C P C C P Alliance 477	Posted - 2013.11.22 12:50:00 - [7] - Quote Ripmond wrote: First forum post... Love the new ISIS thang. Lots of info presented well. BUT! It really needs better multi monitor support. I want to be able to center the tree on my main monitor, The way it is now, most of the info is getting lost in the bezel 'gutter'. Please fix as this is a really cool tool. We definately want multi monitor support too, we have it as an iteration task and are committed to rolling it out as soon as possible. We didn't have the capacity to do so initially because of various technical reasons that made it not trivial to execute. CCP Arrow-á-á\|-á Game Design Director -á\|-á-áEVE Online -á\|-á-á@CCP_Arrow


CCP Arrow C C P C C P Alliance 477	Posted - 2013.11.22 13:00:00 - [8] - Quote TokPhobia wrote: When first using ISIS I had the tendency to try to zoom in by scrolling up (away from me) and zoom out by scrolling down (towards me), however I had to scroll in reverse in order to zoom the way I wanted to. I asked two friends who don't play EVE to try to zoom in or out in ISIS and they both tried to scroll up to zoom in and scroll down to zoom out. Is it just us or is that how zooming via scrolling normally works? Should zooming via scrolling be inverted? Yes, I know this is nitpicking and ISIS is really cool, but I'm curious if other people had the same feeling. Most people are used to zooming in by scrolling the scroll wheel up from using tools like Google Maps, but EVE has had it reversed from the beginning so we had to keep it consistent with everything else inside the game itself even though it has become more common to do it the other way in other products/tools. So we had the ISIS use the same zoom metods has used when in space, star map and Planetary Interaction, etc. We could discuss the option of reversing it globally, but that would be a significant change which would affect all players of EVE so we would need to discuss that in detail with the community :-) CCP Arrow-á-á\|-á Game Design Director -á\|-á-áEVE Online -á\|-á-á@CCP_Arrow


CCP Arrow C C P C C P Alliance 477	Posted - 2013.11.22 17:00:00 - [9] - Quote [/quote]Just have a UI switch that allows it to be reversible solves all the issues[/quote] Sounds like a very reasonable solution CCP Arrow-á-á\|-á Game Design Director -á\|-á-áEVE Online -á\|-á-á@CCP_Arrow


CCP Ytterbium C C P C C P Alliance 3073	Posted - 2013.11.22 18:24:00 - [10] - Quote CCP Arrow wrote: Salpun wrote: Just have a UI switch that allows it to be reversible solves all the issues Sounds like a very reasonable solution What are YOU DOING? Didn't you get the memo?!? EVE controls aren't supposed to be flexible. Got an idea, if you press that UI switch it also randomizes mouse input directions, so if you go right it goes upper-left and so on...


CCP Ytterbium C C P C C P Alliance 3075	Posted - 2013.11.22 18:55:00 - [11] - Quote Rekkr Nordgard wrote: Opened ISIS, saw that propulsion jamming is required for Venture mastery, laughed, and closed ISIS. Interesting, will have a look.

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