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Jochim Atild
Lego Legion Labs
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Posted - 2013.11.22 23:29:00 -
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Fixed the black bars AND the icons! We're moving along now!
You have to clear your cache to get your ship icons. |
Obscurity X
Emerald Inc.
1
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Posted - 2013.11.23 03:13:00 -
[32] - Quote
Yes, it's been two updates since the patch. As of Friday, Nov. 22 at 10pm EST (in the US). My computer
as well as many others are still hard (cold) freezing on load. The login page works fine, but when the
actual game loads, I get just a few icons in the Neocon, then a deep freeze that can only be resolved
with a cold reboot.
I tried changing all my video settings to Medium (which I did) but it didn't solve anything. This client worked
fine before Rubicon.
PS. I have a 27" iMac with 8 gigs of ram and Rubicon is the most stable EVE i've had in a very long time.
The laptop doesn't work at all. Go figure. Although the laptop is running Mavericks and the Desktop M-Lion.
Dr. X
Macbook Pro 13"
OS X 10.9
2.4 GHz Intel Core i5
4 GB 1333 MHz DDR3
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Darryn Lowe
Dypele Industries
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Posted - 2013.11.23 05:10:00 -
[33] - Quote
Icons are still corrupted despite the 1.02 release.
And before CCP tells us we need to update our graphics drivers if they can tell us how on a Mac then that would be cool.
Although OS X 10.9.1 is in the works and apparently there is some work being done on the graphics so who knows.
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Darryn Lowe
Dypele Industries
7
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Posted - 2013.11.23 22:46:00 -
[34] - Quote
It seems that I was clearing the cache from the wrong place.
I had done it from the Launcher like so many posts were saying but once I did it from within the game everything looks perfect again.
Thanks CCP. |
Gorhael Shardan
Lucid Dreamers
Get Off My Lawn
0
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Posted - 2013.11.25 17:23:00 -
[35] - Quote
Upon latest update Oh joy!
I get a fatal exception after the "loading bulk data" bar completes. I am running mac osx 10.7.5 mac mini processor 2.3 ghz intel core i5 men 2gb 1333 mhz ddr3 ram. and yes i properly cleared my chacheGǪ. |
Hoeveer Parmala
Massive Space Sprockets
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Posted - 2013.11.25 23:54:00 -
[36] - Quote
Hoeveer Parmala wrote:Hoeveer Parmala wrote:Hoeveer Parmala wrote:
I'm having exactly the same issue on my Macbook Air Mid 2011
1.8Ghz Intel Core i7
Intel HD Graphics 300 38 4MB
4GB RAM
OS X 10.9
Today's patch for Mac has apparently fixed the "black bars when warping" issue; however, the game still causes the whole system to hang if you attempt to use anything other than "Low" setting for "Shader Quality" Another patch to the Mac game client this morning, but still no fix for the Shader Quality hang after selecting the character to use on start.
Yet another patch today, November 25, 2013, and still no resolution of the complete system hang when Shader Quality is set to "Medium".
Huge thanks for fixing the ship icon issue in the last patch! |
Hoeveer Parmala
Massive Space Sprockets
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Posted - 2013.11.28 13:13:00 -
[37] - Quote
Hoeveer Parmala wrote:Hoeveer Parmala wrote:Hoeveer Parmala wrote:Hoeveer Parmala wrote:
I'm having exactly the same issue on my Macbook Air Mid 2011
1.8Ghz Intel Core i7
Intel HD Graphics 300 38 4MB
4GB RAM
OS X 10.9
Today's patch for Mac has apparently fixed the "black bars when warping" issue; however, the game still causes the whole system to hang if you attempt to use anything other than "Low" setting for "Shader Quality" Another patch to the Mac game client this morning, but still no fix for the Shader Quality hang after selecting the character to use on start. Yet another patch today, November 25, 2013, and still no resolution of the complete system hang when Shader Quality is set to "Medium". Huge thanks for fixing the ship icon issue in the last patch!
November 28, 2013 patch Rubicon 1.0.4 does not resolve EVE running with Shader Quality set to "Medium" causing the entire Mac GUI to hang. |
Diazim AlHazrad
The Ecstatic Cult of Dionysus
Trifectas Syndicate
0
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Posted - 2013.12.01 21:24:00 -
[38] - Quote
Must be a Mavericks related problem.
I am running it on 10.6.8 Snow Leopard and have had no problems whatsoever.
One more reason to wait to upgrade my OS!
Adobe was the first one, now EVE is the deal breaker. |
Jinks Deuv
The Scope
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.12.01 22:19:00 -
[39] - Quote
Diazim AlHazrad wrote:Must be a Mavericks related problem.
I am running it on 10.6.8 Snow Leopard and have had no problems whatsoever.
One more reason to wait to upgrade my OS!
Adobe was the first one, now EVE is the deal breaker.
I played EVE on 10.9 before the Rubicon release and i hadn't experimented this bug. Some exceptions occurred sometimes but nothing so annoying. |
Hoeveer Parmala
Massive Space Sprockets
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Posted - 2013.12.04 00:09:00 -
[40] - Quote
Diazim AlHazrad wrote:Must be a Mavericks related problem.
I am running it on 10.6.8 Snow Leopard and have had no problems whatsoever.
One more reason to wait to upgrade my OS!
Adobe was the first one, now EVE is the deal breaker.
This isn't OS related. It's hardware related.
You probably have a Mac that doesn't have Intel HD Graphics 3000.
You can probably upgrade to Mavericks without any problem, since you have an older Mac with different graphics -- that is if your Mac can even be upgraded to Mavericks. |
Hoeveer Parmala
Massive Space Sprockets
3
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Posted - 2013.12.04 00:11:00 -
[41] - Quote
Hoeveer Parmala wrote:Hoeveer Parmala wrote:Hoeveer Parmala wrote:Hoeveer Parmala wrote:Hoeveer Parmala wrote:
I'm having exactly the same issue on my Macbook Air Mid 2011
1.8Ghz Intel Core i7
Intel HD Graphics 300 38 4MB
4GB RAM
OS X 10.9
Today's patch for Mac has apparently fixed the "black bars when warping" issue; however, the game still causes the whole system to hang if you attempt to use anything other than "Low" setting for "Shader Quality" Another patch to the Mac game client this morning, but still no fix for the Shader Quality hang after selecting the character to use on start. Yet another patch today, November 25, 2013, and still no resolution of the complete system hang when Shader Quality is set to "Medium". Huge thanks for fixing the ship icon issue in the last patch! November 28, 2013 patch Rubicon 1.0.4 does not resolve EVE running with Shader Quality set to "Medium" causing the entire Mac GUI to hang.
The Rubicon 1.0.6 patch does not resolve the above mention Shader Quality issue.
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Shar'ri Atal
LoneStar Industries
Comatose Alliance
1
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Posted - 2013.12.08 15:43:00 -
[42] - Quote
The position of the mouse is not recognised by EVE. Clicking the mouse button can open things and high light buttons suggesting that it thinks the mouse is in a totally different position to where it is shown on screen.
As a result the game is unplayable.
I'm fully patched up and it the problem persists
Using Mac OS X 10.8.5 on a 2.66GHz Core 2 Duo iMac with 4GB RAM and ATI Radeon HD 2600 Pro 256 MB graphics.
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Jinks Deuv
The Scope
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.12.08 19:30:00 -
[43] - Quote
I have got an answer from CCP concerning the Medium Shader quality and the answer is a very bad news:
Quote:Please accept our sincere apologies for the delay in responding to this ticket. Unfortunately it appears that you will have to continue to have the 'Shader Quality' setting to low. The problem is that your graphics adapter is the very minimum that is supported and as such some quality will have to be sacrificed in order to run the game.
At least the situation is clear now for Intel HD Graphics 3000. |
Martam Bedala
Galactic Space Development Corporation
0
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Posted - 2013.12.13 00:13:00 -
[44] - Quote
Jinks Deuv wrote:I have got an answer from CCP concerning the Medium Shader quality and the answer is a very bad news: Quote:Please accept our sincere apologies for the delay in responding to this ticket. Unfortunately it appears that you will have to continue to have the 'Shader Quality' setting to low. The problem is that your graphics adapter is the very minimum that is supported and as such some quality will have to be sacrificed in order to run the game. At least the situation is clear now for Intel HD Graphics 3000.
Are you SERIOUS? This is an outrage! It's not like I can go and buy a new computer with each new UPDATE! I'm living off of Disability because I can't get and hold a job! I can understand upgrading the game a bit here and there, but to make it unplayable for those of us who can't afford to blow $100+ on a whim but still charges for the characters/accounts? That's CRAP! I'm quite pissed off! This is exactly why I stop playing Everquest and Star Wars Online. They kept upgrading the systems so that I could no longer have access. Now, this? I hate it when people do this crap! And now I have nothing I can do. I have spent nearly 10 hours a day playing Eve and you took this away from me. I hope you suffer greatly.
The least they coud do is have a program on their site to tell us when our computers are outdated and what could be updated to get this working again. This would stop just buying new parts hoping that it'll make it work again. Sheesh! |
Rafael Argus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.12.14 00:48:00 -
[45] - Quote
Shar'ri Atal wrote:The position of the mouse is not recognised by EVE. Clicking the mouse button can open things and high light buttons suggesting that it thinks the mouse is in a totally different position to where it is shown on screen.
As a result the game is unplayable.
I'm fully patched up and it the problem persists
Using Mac OS X 10.8.5 on a 2.66GHz Core 2 Duo iMac with 4GB RAM and ATI Radeon HD 2600 Pro 256 MB graphics.
I get this behavior when I have command-tabbed over to a different application and then click back into the EVE window. I try to click in space first and then click on EVE buttons. On further thought, this also might be occurring to me when I click into a non-EVE window, and then the EVE client remembers what point the mouse left its window. And then if you command tab back in, if you try clicking on a button and not space first, it happens where the mouse left the window, which for me is somewhere odd on the Neocom. |
Martam Bedala
Galactic Space Development Corporation
0
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Posted - 2013.12.19 06:25:00 -
[46] - Quote
Update:
Ok. I was finally able to log in again but at a very high price. I had to set my Mac back to factory settings. However, the socket disconnect error is still occurring. I'm much more patient with it now that before. However, it's still very bothersome. I'm not exactly pleased that I had to go to such extremes in order to alleviate the problem with very irritating side effects. This problem still arising after a full system reset only means that the problem is not with my Mac, but with Eve itself.
After spending about 10 days unable to log in at all then another 3 days backing everything up and another day of factory resetting, I'm exhausted with all the anxiety this has caused. The problem being on their end means that we're not at fault nor should we have to do drastic measures in order to access services we are paying for.
With all that said, it feels good to be back online with Eve even with the socket disconnect problem. But I don't have to like it. |
NexusWatcher
Apologetic Tendencies
1
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Posted - 2014.01.05 16:07:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:I got a freeze, so we still have the freeze bug. One client running, then ran PYFA. The freeze happened upon arrival at a stargate.
Yup. Freaking FREEZE.
Lost a Kronos with a few nicer mods on it and died, even with bastion mode turned on only fighting a couple BS and some BC. Opened up a support ticket in game and I hope they do right and replace it. |
Brohn Orlenard
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.01.12 00:12:00 -
[48] - Quote
I have had about two or three ugly crashes and one naggy video issue.
I'm getting crash dumps for the crashes and opening a supprt case but I thought I'd share the video thing in case anyone had some input...
27" iMac OSX 10.9.1
Intel i7 3.5GHz Quad, 16GB ram
Card is nVidia 780M GTX with 4GB of ram.
I have an attached 27" Display that I would love to stretch the game onto but cant - no setting for that resolution (5300x1440 fullscreen), no ability to resize from window mode like some Windoze guys do. I can do things like use the native OS zoom but since that just 'stretches' things in all directions its no longer hidef.
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Tiger Bite
Data Sheets
5
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Posted - 2014.02.04 05:42:00 -
[49] - Quote
Quote:So in the short term some more information about this bug would really help me:
1) Are you playing in windowed mode?
2) Are you playing in fullscreen and CMD + Tab'ing?
3) What is the specification of your machine?
4) What version of OS X are you using?
Lastly if some of you could make bug reports with cider logs, it would help me greatly.
CCP Konflikt
Quality Assurance Engineer
Team Trilambda
I do not use Clone Maker But I do multi Log-in using same EVE Online Launcher. These Graphical Freezes, Unresponsiveness, Closed Sockets, Page Faults occur regardless if I am running one client or multi clients. One Client session might experience the issues while other client sessions are unaffected.
Now I want to try to clarify some terminology for CCP/GM and the End Users to try to narrow down what is actually happening. Many of these GÇ£freezingGÇ¥ an End User might call:
- Graphical Freeze = meaning the Video has locked up in game client but the MAC is still usable. Character is still in Game Probably getting killed. (Control-Alt-Esc > Kill Process).
- Unresponsive Freeze = Cant not type, Click, change directions or open Windows in Game. Character is still in game Probably getting killed. (Control-Alt-Esc > Kill Process).
- Semi-Unresponsive = You can type, open windows, show info, BUT nothing updates and can no longer navigate. Can not Quit Client for a Large Number of Minutes (Appears to be GÇ£HangingGÇ¥). User may not realize the Client is not updating when sitting in station for a Large number of Minutes. (Socket Closed or internet interrupted, but Client does not recognize this state and you may never see the Socket Closed pop up window.) (Character is no longer in game and could have gotten killed.) This one Also Can Cause the need to reboot the MAC to clear its EVE state even if you kill the processes. Can prevent Client from Launching. (Control-Alt-Esc > Kill Process & if needed reboot).
- Closed Socket = Client recognizes Lost of Connection to CCP. Quit Client. Rare occasions may have to kill process.
- Page Fault = OS pop up warning. I am not an expert and do not know what this means. Some People think it means a Hard Drive maybe failing as one possible cause. How ever My HD passes all Tests including permissions. My System Memory Passes all Test. (Sometimes after closing the Page fault message Box I can still play other times it closes the Eve Client.)
- Apple Detects Serious Error = OS pop up warning. I do not know what could be the cause. I have copied Logs and Debug report. Causes the EVE Client to Close.
I stagger my Windowed mode clients and can just click between them in window, Top Bar, or Dock. I do not CMD + Tab. I run my Clients at the Lowest graphical settings possible, lower than for performance presets. My Monitors run at 2560 x 1600 while the Clients are set at 1920 x 1440.
I am now using the command line to create Cider Logs and this requires that I create multi Logs, so I am using this running multi Terminals with different log names in Numerical order of launching so I have multi logs one for each Client. (See below for Command Line.)
For Control-Alt-Shift-M evelogs, there is no option to rename the logs for multi clientsGǪ SO for this I can only obtain evelogs for one client at a time. There is not even an Option to save these to a different location. I assume because eve-online runs in a version of wine makes it so you can not save them outside of the Virtual environment, but I would still like to relocate the Logs and save multi logs by name/date/time.log.
Wine & DirectX: Many of my Control-Alt-Shift-M evelogs appear to indicate Graphical issuesGǪ I have read of the Forums that Window users have had many DX11 DX9 issues. CCP / GMs have stated that MAC does not use Direct X. I think this maybe part of the Issues since EVE is running on Wine which uses Windows API and Wine supports Direct X 9c. Unfortunately MAC Launcher does not have a DX option in the settings like Windowed clients. (Do not tell me CCP and Developers do not make errors.) What does CCP say about installing DirectX via winetricks, winebottler or wineskin?
Wine HQ FAQs:
http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ#head-fbaa851e07d7484640cc10b6d0c48abc741260b2
WINE HQ MACOSX FAQs:
http://wiki.winehq.org/MacOSX/FAQs
MacRumors Installing DirectX in Wine:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=991868
Bug Reporting Website:
I can not send my Screenshots, Logs, Zipped from the Bug report Website as it states that I can as long as I am below file size limits. When attempting to send the files attached I get a 500 Internal Server Error Every time. I have filed many bug reports in game but I can not send files from in game except for active in game issues Meaning you do not get the APPLE application CRASH Logs or the debug logs.
To Be Continued Next Post... |
Tiger Bite
Data Sheets
5
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Posted - 2014.02.04 05:52:00 -
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I am running both Snow Leopard and Maverick. Maverick was clean installed on new drive 2014-02-02 and
Downloaded Eve Online for a Clean installation: eve-premium_008261_710875-mac.dmg.
http://community.eveonline.com/support/download/
Mavericks Installation: created new issues and kept the older issues based on the Logs. The Main New issues appear to be Created beginning Lion and affecting Lion, Mountain Lion, Mavericks.
Noticed: /Applications/EVE Online.app has an X
Right-Click and GÇ£Show ContentsGÇ¥, Can Browse.
Double-Click EVE Online.app, Message popup: GÇ£EVE Online.appGÇ¥ is damaged and canGÇÖt be opened. You should move it to the Trash.
I found an EVE Sticky: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=316715&find=unread
Which blames APPLEGÇÖs Gatekeeper: http://support.apple.com/kb/ht5290
It appears that CCP needs to acquire a GÇ£Developer IDGÇ¥ for Eve Online from APPLE. According to APPLEGÇÖs Support I should be able to Open an App from an unidentified developer by pressing GÇ£ControlGÇÖ > GÇ£OpenGÇ¥, This did not work. So I tried to run command line from Terminal according to APPLEGÇÖs GÇ£man spctlGÇ¥ command: spctl --add --label "EVE" /Applications/EVE\ Online.app
Typed in Password.
Still did not work.
Changing System Preferences > Security & Privacy > Allow apps downloaded From: GÇ£Mac App Store and Identified DevelopersGÇ¥ to: GÇ£AnywhereGÇ¥, Works but defeats Protections for other circumstances.
For further Testing, Changed Back to: GÇ£Mac App Store and Identified DevelopersGÇ¥
Cider:
In Terminal I wanted to run Cider Logging as indicated in the Mac Bug Reporting site: https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Mac_bug_reporting#Generating_Cider_Logs
Quote: /Applications/EVE\ Online.app/Contents/Resources/EVE\ Online.app/Contents/MacOS/cider --debugmsg +seh,+tid,+module,+debugstr --cmdline=" /server:87.237.38.200" &> ~/Desktop/2014-02-02-EVEcrashlog01-AccountName-Session01.log
Was able to run using above Cider command after changing back to GÇ£Mac App Store and Identified DevelopersGÇ¥. This appears to by-pass the Launcher and loads EVE Online the Old way.
For Multi Clients run the line several times but change then log name for each account you run.
Example:
Format: Year-Month-Day-EVEcrashlog##-AccountName-Session##.log
Account 01, 2014-02-02-EVEcrashlog01-AccountName-Session01.log
Account 02, 2014-02-02-EVEcrashlog01-AccountName-Session04.log
Note: If you log out and back in without crashing like changing chars on same account the session## changes not the Crashlog##.
I prefer outputting this log file to a different /Volume for Hard Drive performance reasons and they get very Large. A USB drive works Great.
F-Keys, Alt-F-Keys, Ctrl-F-Keys do not work. Had to Open System Preferences > Keyboard and check box Use all F1, F2, etc. keys as standard function keys. F-Keys, Alt-F-Keys now work in game except Ctrl-F-Keys. Guess all my passive modules go on the low while the rest can be on Mid and High racks.
Hardware Overview:
- Model Name: Mac Pro - MacPro3,1
- Processor: 2 x 2.8 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon
- Memory: 10 GB 800 MHz DDR2 FB-DIMM
- Graphics: ATI Radeon HD 4870 512 MB
- DELL3007WFPHC: 2560 x 1600
- Software: OS X 10.9.1 (13B42) MAVERICKS
Off Topic but would be Nice:
I would Like to Upgrade my Video Card, But would need to figure out How to get the EFI Bios to recognize the Newer Video Cards. I tested a ATI 6870 just to see what would happen, without changing the Video Cards Bio. I lose all of the EFI Boot Options but it will still boot up. Apple does not ID the Video Card correctly. Tested a Windows Boot and it does recognize the Video Card and allows me to update Drivers. For the Apple OS X, I probably could import and compile a Linux version to BSD but this would not fix the EFI boot up issue, so I removed the Card till a time I was able to get extra good information on this solution. I am willing to test. (Contact me In Game for the off topic issue.)
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Tiger Bite
Data Sheets
5
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Posted - 2014.02.04 06:05:00 -
[51] - Quote
Another Note About Apple GateKeeper:
GÇ£Mac App Store and Identified DevelopersGÇ¥
"Anywhere"
You only need to set the:
System Preferences > Security & Privacy > Allow apps downloaded From: GÇ£Mac App Store and Identified DevelopersGÇ¥ to: GÇ£AnywhereGÇ¥
for the first run. Once you have successfully launched Launcher you can change it back to GÇ£Mac App Store and Identified DevelopersGÇ¥. all other runs should work without the Message popup: GÇ£EVE Online.appGÇ¥ is damaged and canGÇÖt be opened. You should move it to the Trash.
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Tiger Bite
Data Sheets
5
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Posted - 2014.02.04 08:19:00 -
[52] - Quote
Another Note about Maverick... the Control button does not work in game. I can no longer Control + anything like repeat my chat history or use low Modules, etc... |
Flysmack Numenor
Einherjer.
1
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Posted - 2014.02.04 19:13:00 -
[53] - Quote
As a side note, you forgot one freeze type:
Freeze of Doom: The client/graphics ingame freeze your entire computer, no mouse response, neither keyboard or anything else, the mac starts using more and more memory on both cpu and gpu, heat goes up. force quit or anything else doesn't work. Force Reboot gets u out.... |
NoDak Hilitari
Galaxy Defenders
The Nova Foundry
0
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Posted - 2014.02.05 04:25:00 -
[54] - Quote
Flysmack Numenor wrote:As a side note, you forgot one freeze type:
Freeze of Doom: The client/graphics ingame freeze your entire computer, no mouse response, neither keyboard or anything else, the mac starts using more and more memory on both cpu and gpu, heat goes up. force quit or anything else doesn't work. Force Reboot gets u out....
that seems to be a new result of the 4 Feb patch. At least for me. Everything worked great yesterday, new patch. Freeze of Doom now. |
Flysmack Numenor
Einherjer.
2
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Posted - 2014.02.05 09:57:00 -
[55] - Quote
At a funny side note, one of my accounts has no issues, with my second one I cant even bypass the char selection screen. But what I heard from a few guys with using Mac Client, they all had suddenly issues from yesterdays patch.
Finally, the finished the grave for the Mac Client,... I guess this will be it with EVE on Mac.... |
Tarek Hakaari
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.02.05 11:57:00 -
[56] - Quote
Zincite wrote:Update: I managed to fix my issue. I turned off "Load Station Environment" and set Texture Quality and Shader Quality to Low and was able to log in. The moment I turned Shader Quality back to Medium, my client immediately displayed a completely white screen and hard-locked again.
Try setting Shader Quality to Low and see if it fixes the problem for you!
How do you have acces to those settings if you get the black screen? I can't do anything after the launcher starts the game because of the black screen...
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SCIACARL MARTE
Regnum-Irae
Yulai Federation
8
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:03:00 -
[57] - Quote
Same problem especially wen open the map solar system and or universe map, cant play. |
kloktar
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.02.05 19:57:00 -
[58] - Quote
I can't even get to character selection screen... just goes to black screen/freeze of doom straight after the launcher and loading. Tried running without the launcher and same problem.
Worst part is....... Training Queue Inactive. :( |
Phloebas
The Tuskers
5
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Posted - 2014.02.06 00:13:00 -
[59] - Quote
kloktar wrote:I can't even get to character selection screen... just goes to black screen/freeze of doom straight after the launcher and loading. Tried running without the launcher and same problem.
Worst part is....... Training Queue Inactive. :(
exactly the same |
Olivia Hume
Hoover Inc.
Black Legion.
7
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Posted - 2014.02.06 07:02:00 -
[60] - Quote
kloktar wrote:I can't even get to character selection screen... just goes to black screen/freeze of doom straight after the launcher and loading. Tried running without the launcher and same problem.
Same.
I can log on and get a black screen instead of the character selection.
I thought I could start, using window mode but now, it's even worse I have to start the computer with a hard reboot.
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