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Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.04 14:20:00 -
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Dear Father Grigory,
Please be adviced that "camo" is not a good way to communicate a "space navy" identity.
The reasons are obvious. Insert 500,000 words of random citation of relevant whinings here.
Please, if CCP is heading toward the direction of fixing all the old outdated wrong inappropriate stuff, please STOP making space camos.
Concerned pod pilot who is hiding in the spacebush |

Abrazzar
273
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Posted - 2011.11.04 14:26:00 -
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At least, considering it's used by Gallente navy, they should have made it pink and baby blue camo, not green. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
738
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Posted - 2011.11.04 14:26:00 -
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I must say, it looks a bit.. ugly, but it follows the other Gallente Navy versions.
/c
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Black Dranzer
9
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Posted - 2011.11.04 14:30:00 -
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SIR, THERE'S A FLEET OF GALLENTE SHIPS APP-
- .. No, no, belay that sir, it was just a large group of trees.
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Naran Eto
Kut-n-Run
54
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Posted - 2011.11.04 14:34:00 -
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Well you never know, someone might come along one day and terraform those asteroids, plant lots of trees and then you'll be glad of othe camo paint job. |

Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
46
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Posted - 2011.11.04 14:42:00 -
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CCP, we really really dont like camo. stop putting it on ships >.<
the first thing im doing to my deimos and navy domi and navy mega etc. once theyre V3'd is getting rid of the camo. it;s such a huge pain. |

Arthur Frayn
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2011.11.04 14:43:00 -
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Black Dranzer wrote:- .. No, no, belay that sir, it was just a large group of giant boogers.
Fixed that for ya. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1171
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Posted - 2011.11.04 14:45:00 -
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Because green and black is the traditional colours of the Gallente navy, harking back to the decisive battles of the first federation in the megaswamps of Gallente Prime. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
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Posted - 2011.11.04 14:47:00 -
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Could be disruptive camouflage at least. Wouldn't make any sense neither, but it would be cool. So... no affordable NEx store... no full-fledged Incarna... no casual content... no solo content... no PvE content...-á
Why should I keep paying to play this game? |

Black Dranzer
10
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Posted - 2011.11.04 14:51:00 -
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Okay you know what navy skins SHOULD be?
A flat neutral colour like a grey or a white or a black or something
With highly reflective coloured portions corresponding to race.
So, say, the navy hookbill would be mainly a dark grey with a few shiny blue sections on it.
Colour each navy's "stripes" according to faction: Caldari Blue, Gallente Green, Minmatar Red, Amarr Yellow.
Leave Space Camo for custom skins. |
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pussnheels
Vintage heavy industries
152
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Posted - 2011.11.04 15:19:00 -
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same can be said about the caldari navy issue caracal or the caldari bustard ( transport); and the t2 verion of the heron I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |

Cpt Greagor
Liquid Relief
38
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Posted - 2011.11.04 15:21:00 -
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How are we going to hide in all the space trees and space dunes without camo?!?! |

Yarton Killmore
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.11.04 15:29:00 -
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eve community... Never happy all of the time...
plus all geeks know camo is cool... |

Kietay Ayari
Monopoly Money Operations
17
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Posted - 2011.11.04 15:32:00 -
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It makes perfect sense. Targeting in EVE is not visual at all. Advanced space ships would be entirely reliant on their sensors. The only point to having a space ship any colour is for aesthetics! :D Make it pretty! Now if you think the camo is ugly then that is a fair point :O But saying it doesn't make sense... doesn't make sense! Ferox #1 |

Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
159
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Posted - 2011.11.04 15:40:00 -
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"Space como" the same you can say about color of ALL ships in EVE. |

Barbelo Valentinian
The Scope Gallente Federation
123
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Posted - 2011.11.04 16:06:00 -
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Why not? |

Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2011.11.04 16:09:00 -
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ccp can't come up with any actual content so they re skin ships and call it content. Nothing to see here move along. |

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
260
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Posted - 2011.11.04 22:05:00 -
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No the cammo makes total sense! Its for when you fly into the atmosphere and land on a planet...
Dooh! That feature never actually got implemented! Sorry carry on.
Issler |

Autonomous Monster
Paradox Interstellar
5
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Posted - 2011.11.04 22:15:00 -
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It's so you can hide in the space trees, obv.
Abrazzar wrote:At least, considering it's used by Gallente navy, they should have made it pink and baby blue camo, not green.
... DO WANT
I'd fly those ships on sheer FABULOUS alone.
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Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2011.11.04 22:21:00 -
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dazzle_camouflage
This might be more useful.
But please get rid of the JUNGLE CAMO |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1186
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Posted - 2011.11.04 22:24:00 -
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Jodis Talvanen wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dazzle_camouflage This might be more useful.
But please get rid of the JUNGLE CAMO They both make equal amounts of sense, so why I don't quite see why one would be preferable over the other. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

mkint
267
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Posted - 2011.11.04 22:27:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Jodis Talvanen wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dazzle_camouflage This might be more useful.
But please get rid of the JUNGLE CAMO They both make equal amounts of sense, so why I don't quite see why one would be preferable over the other. Because the dumbass who thought jungle camo in a space game needs to be taken out of a decision making position. |

Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2011.11.04 22:30:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Jodis Talvanen wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dazzle_camouflage This might be more useful.
But please get rid of the JUNGLE CAMO They both make equal amounts of sense, so why I don't quite see why one would be preferable over the other.
To disorient or to made it difficult for the enemy to estimate its type, size, speed might just be useful in space while hiding or blending is a total non-sense in space. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1186
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Posted - 2011.11.04 22:32:00 -
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mkint wrote:Because the dumbass who thought jungle camo in a space game needs to be taken out of a decision making position. GǪwhich still doesn't explain why it is any less dumbass:y than any other paint scheme in the game (except maybe the Primae).
Jodis Talvanen wrote:To disorient or to made it difficult for the enemy to estimate its type, size, speed might just be useful in space Seeing as how a coat of pain will fail to do all of that, no, dazzle camo will not be useful as anything other than an aesthetic statement, and will be just as nonsensical as painting the ship in jungle camo. Or making it bright pink with yellow polka-dots. Or giving it a Hello Kitty paint scheme. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

mkint
267
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Posted - 2011.11.04 22:41:00 -
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Tippia wrote:mkint wrote:Because the dumbass who thought jungle camo in a space game needs to be taken out of a decision making position. GǪwhich still doesn't explain why it is any less dumbass:y than any other paint scheme in the game (except maybe the Primae). Do you want logic, or just that it looks like sh!t?
From a logical standpoint saying "oh, it's jungle cammo because they had jungles" is dumb. When you see a tiger-striped SR71 blackbird IRL let me know. Or a jungle cammo F-16. Or jungle cammo ANYWHERE in ANY modern military outside of the combat fatigues of soldiers, especially in airforce or navies that would handle projects like that. In militaries they use cammo because it's functional for hiding behind bushes. If they need something to look good they say f*ck that sh!t, we're gonna make it look good.
But ultimately, it looks like sh!t. Whatever the technical skills of EVE's art team, the art director sucks at art. |

Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
80
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Posted - 2011.11.04 22:51:00 -
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mkint wrote:Whatever the technical skills of EVE's art team, the art director sucks at art.
Care to show us your art portfolio? What have you accomplished? |

non judgement
Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance
140
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Posted - 2011.11.04 22:51:00 -
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It's just incase you land in a forest. I like the Rattlesnake and Rhea. I think they look good.
Imagine Luke Skywalker walking around in circles in that swamp saying "damn that camo paintjob I asked for!". |

Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2011.11.04 22:53:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:mkint wrote:Whatever the technical skills of EVE's art team, the art director sucks at art. Care to show us your art portfolio? What have you accomplished? I made Avatar the movie.
I say: Jungle camo is fuckihng stupid in space. |

Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
80
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Posted - 2011.11.04 22:53:00 -
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One of the biggest points about art is that it's subjective. What you see as utter **** and terrible art, others (like me) see as flavorful, interesting, and fun. If we were going for realism, all the ships would be boring, including your precious Police Comet. Those flashing red and blue police lights are just as pointless as the camouflage. |

Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2011.11.04 22:55:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:One of the biggest points about art is that it's subjective. What you see as utter **** and terrible art, others (like me) see as flavorful, interesting, and fun. If we were going for realism, all the ships would be boring, including your precious Police Comet. Those flashing red and blue police lights are just as pointless as the camouflage. Jungle camo in space is still stupid. |
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Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
80
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Posted - 2011.11.04 22:56:00 -
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Jodis Talvanen wrote:Katrina Oniseki wrote:One of the biggest points about art is that it's subjective. What you see as utter **** and terrible art, others (like me) see as flavorful, interesting, and fun. If we were going for realism, all the ships would be boring, including your precious Police Comet. Those flashing red and blue police lights are just as pointless as the camouflage. Jungle camo in space is still stupid.
So are you, but you don't see me creating forum threads to whine about it. |

Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2011.11.04 22:58:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:Jodis Talvanen wrote:Katrina Oniseki wrote:One of the biggest points about art is that it's subjective. What you see as utter **** and terrible art, others (like me) see as flavorful, interesting, and fun. If we were going for realism, all the ships would be boring, including your precious Police Comet. Those flashing red and blue police lights are just as pointless as the camouflage. Jungle camo in space is still stupid. So are you, but you don't see me creating forum threads to whine about it. Will you whine about it if I were to create my own forum? |

mkint
267
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Posted - 2011.11.04 22:59:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:One of the biggest points about art is that it's subjective. What you see as utter **** and terrible art, others (like me) see as flavorful, interesting, and fun. If we were going for realism, all the ships would be boring, including your precious Police Comet. Those flashing red and blue police lights are just as pointless as the camouflage. I smell a caldari pilot. May all your ships be reskinned to look as hideous as the Gallente ones. And may god have mercy on your soul. |

Max Von Sydow
Droneboat Diplomacy
28
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Posted - 2011.11.04 23:00:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:One of the biggest points about art is that it's subjective. What you see as utter **** and terrible art, others (like me) see as flavorful, interesting, and fun. If we were going for realism, all the ships would be boring, including your precious Police Comet. Those flashing red and blue police lights are just as pointless as the camouflage.
they can have interesting and fun ships without having them look like ****. I'd much rather have orange/metallic for the gallente navy ships than the fugly camo.
http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/graphics/ids/512/2139.jpg |

Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
80
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Posted - 2011.11.04 23:02:00 -
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mkint wrote:Katrina Oniseki wrote:One of the biggest points about art is that it's subjective. What you see as utter **** and terrible art, others (like me) see as flavorful, interesting, and fun. If we were going for realism, all the ships would be boring, including your precious Police Comet. Those flashing red and blue police lights are just as pointless as the camouflage. I smell a caldari pilot. May all your ships be reskinned to look as hideous as the Gallente ones. And may god have mercy on your soul.
Never start a sentence with 'and'. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1187
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Posted - 2011.11.04 23:03:00 -
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mkint wrote:Do you want logic, or just that it looks like sh!t? Looks like **** is a better argument, since any logic based on functionality fails automatically.
Quote:From a logical standpoint saying "oh, it's jungle cammo because they had jungles" is dumb. No, from a logical standpoint, saying GÇ£oh, it's jungle camo because they had junglesGÇ¥ makes sense because as we move into space and start using sensors to detect ships instantly over distances that are measured in light-minutes, the colour scheme no longer matters, so you can pick any colour you like.
As such, it's not particularly far-fetched that colouration would revert to being used as heraldry rather than to serve as a (completely futile) method of trying to stay hidden. This means looking different is more important than looking good (and definitely more important than the utterly irrelevant GÇ£looking functionalGÇ¥).
Quote:Or a jungle cammo F-16. Perhaps not the F-16, but that's just because it never ventured close enough to the ground to warrant it. You'll have no trouble finding dedicated CAS or terrain-hugging aircraft that featured various types of forest camo patterns.
Quote:In militaries they use cammo because it's functional for hiding behind bushes. In the military, as everywhere else, they use colour to serve a number of purposes GÇö conveying ancestry, historical reminiscence, tradition, standing out as different from other forces, and any number of other symbolical functions are among those purposes. Why do you think red berets are so popular in the contemporary military, for instance? If detection due to colour was no longer an issue (because, let's say, people are detecting you using space-sensors from two billion kilometres away no matter what you wear) don't you think those guys would wear their red berets at all times? GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2011.11.04 23:03:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:mkint wrote:Katrina Oniseki wrote:One of the biggest points about art is that it's subjective. What you see as utter **** and terrible art, others (like me) see as flavorful, interesting, and fun. If we were going for realism, all the ships would be boring, including your precious Police Comet. Those flashing red and blue police lights are just as pointless as the camouflage. I smell a caldari pilot. May all your ships be reskinned to look as hideous as the Gallente ones. And may god have mercy on your soul. Never start a sentence with 'and'. Why not? And I like cake. |

Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
80
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Posted - 2011.11.04 23:05:00 -
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Jodis Talvanen wrote:Katrina Oniseki wrote: Never start a sentence with 'and'.
Why not? And I like cake. Trolololo! |

Blnukem 192
Cauldron-Born Legion The Cauldron-Born
1
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Posted - 2011.11.04 23:13:00 -
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I see this topic come up fairly often, and I ask - why does it matter if ships skins have camouflage? In space, you don't visually see anything very well anyway, which is why you would use scanners or other sensing instruments - known as the overview, in our case.
Now really, tell me how often do you visually account which ship is where, when it shows up, what type it is, or any visual intel gathering on the field? You don't. You use your god damn overview. Most of the time, other ships are so far away, you can barely even see an outline of it - if at all, which brings me to my first point of using visuals to detect ships as being completely pointless.
Keep the space camo, it makes ships a bit less boring to look at compared to their standard T1 counterparts. I honestly don't get why you people complain over this. It really doesn't matter. |

BLACK-STAR
196
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Posted - 2011.11.04 23:16:00 -
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I have to say..... there is a point with jungle camo. If they would paint jets camo, Would they paint a boat camo too? they don't paint submarines camo at all either.
I pulled this from wiki about aircraft camo, which is now irrelevant due to the speed and stealth tech of today's jets so camo isn't common at all.
"Modern paint is designed to absorb electromagnetic radiation used by radar, reducing the signature of the aircraft, and to limit the emission of infrared light used by heat seeking missiles to detect their target. Further advances in aircraft camouflage are being investigated in the field of active camouflage."
I don't care what CCP does but it would make more sense if they did something new other than emulating old school military camo on our modern spaceship game, based centuries in the future. [img]http://www.imgbox.de/users/S7AR/star.png[/img] |
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Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2011.11.04 23:16:00 -
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Blnukem 192 wrote:It really doesn't matter. You'd be suprised how much people care about how their ship looks like. You care about how the CAR you drive looks like, right? |

Max Von Sydow
Droneboat Diplomacy
28
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Posted - 2011.11.04 23:17:00 -
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Blnukem 192 wrote:Keep the space camo, it makes ships a bit less boring to look at compared to their standard T1 counterparts. I honestly don't get why you people complain over this. It really doesn't matter.
It makes them horrible to look at, I almost want to go back to using a normal megathron for incursions rather than my navy megathron just so that I don't have to see that horrible ugly stupid camouflage. yes, the ships should look different from their T1 counterparts but that doesn't justify them looking this ugly.
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Blnukem 192
Cauldron-Born Legion The Cauldron-Born
1
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Posted - 2011.11.04 23:20:00 -
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They look fine to me. I think the problem for you greedy people is just that Gallente looks horrible in general. 
I, for one, more than welcome more camo designs. |

Max Von Sydow
Droneboat Diplomacy
28
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Posted - 2011.11.04 23:21:00 -
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Blnukem 192 wrote:They look fine to me. I think the problem for you greedy people is just that Gallente looks horrible in general. 
no they don't, gallente has some of the best looking ships in the game and is second only to amarr when it comes to best looking ships overall. |

Blnukem 192
Cauldron-Born Legion The Cauldron-Born
1
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Posted - 2011.11.04 23:23:00 -
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Max Von Sydow wrote:Blnukem 192 wrote:They look fine to me. I think the problem for you greedy people is just that Gallente looks horrible in general.  no they don't, gallente has some of the best looking ships in the game and is second only to amarr when it comes to best looking ships overall.
They also have some of the most poorly textured ships in the game - have you seen the Hyperion or Vexor lately?  |

Sarmatiko
149
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Posted - 2011.11.04 23:23:00 -
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I personally like Caldari Navy new 8-bit camouflage skins. Also Gallente feds must suffer. |

Cipher Jones
104
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Posted - 2011.11.04 23:24:00 -
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Black Dranzer wrote:Okay you know what navy skins SHOULD be?
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***** shaped, Vagina textured, and butthole colored.
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |

Max Von Sydow
Droneboat Diplomacy
28
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Posted - 2011.11.04 23:24:00 -
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Blnukem 192 wrote:Max Von Sydow wrote:Blnukem 192 wrote:They look fine to me. I think the problem for you greedy people is just that Gallente looks horrible in general.  no they don't, gallente has some of the best looking ships in the game and is second only to amarr when it comes to best looking ships overall. They also have some of the most poorly textured ships in the game - have you seen the Hyperion or Vexor lately? 
have you seen the new hyperion and vexor lately? the ones on sisi? |

Blnukem 192
Cauldron-Born Legion The Cauldron-Born
1
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Posted - 2011.11.04 23:29:00 -
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Sorry, I don't speak Spanish. |

mkint
267
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Posted - 2011.11.04 23:35:00 -
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Tippia wrote:mkint wrote:Do you want logic, or just that it looks like sh!t? Looks like **** is a better argument, since any logic based on functionality fails automatically. Quote:From a logical standpoint saying "oh, it's jungle cammo because they had jungles" is dumb. No, from a logical standpoint, saying GÇ£oh, it's jungle camo because they had junglesGÇ¥ makes sense because as we move into space and start using sensors to detect ships instantly over distances that are measured in light-minutes, the colour scheme no longer matters, so you can pick any colour you like. As such, it's not particularly far-fetched that colouration would revert to being used as heraldry rather than to serve as a (completely futile) method of trying to stay hidden. This means looking different is more important than looking good (and definitely more important than the utterly irrelevant GÇ£looking functionalGÇ¥). Quote:Or a jungle cammo F-16. Perhaps not the F-16, but that's just because it never ventured close enough to the ground to warrant it. You'll have no trouble finding dedicated CAS or terrain-hugging aircraft that featured various types of forest camo patterns. Quote:In militaries they use cammo because it's functional for hiding behind bushes. In the military, as everywhere else, they use colour to serve a number of purposes GÇö conveying ancestry, historical reminiscence, tradition, standing out as different from other forces, and any number of other symbolical functions are among those purposes. Why do you think red berets are so popular in the contemporary military, for instance? If detection due to colour was no longer an issue (because, let's say, people are detecting you using space-sensors from two billion kilometres away no matter what you wear) don't you think those guys would wear their red berets at all times? If we can agree that from functionality space cammo is ruhtarded, then it's just a question of style.
Countries use colors of heraldry based on symbolism of those colors. If the US launched an interstellar battleship that did not rely on line of sight, they would paint it red white and blue. They wouldn't paint it "amber waves of grain" or Vietnam camo, or Iraq camo, or even the dressier forms of camo that a google image search would no doubt turn up. The same could be said of any nation. Hell, I've seen images of a jungle nation with blue formal dress camo!
By the logic of heraldry, why doesn't the Gallente navy ships share the colors of it's in-game logos? I.e. blues, greens and silvers? (For precedence of a ship being painted to match the heraldry, look at a google image search for USCG Eagle, or any airshow planes, even military financed ones.)
But ultimately, and most importantly. It looks like sh!t. It's not a matter of taste. It literally looks like someone who eats too much chlorophyll took a sh!t, and shaped it into a spaceship.
You'd expect a company so obsessed with flash over substance, things would get better over time, not worse. |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1188
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Posted - 2011.11.04 23:40:00 -
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mkint wrote:It's not a matter of taste. Of course it is.
GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

mkint
267
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Posted - 2011.11.04 23:42:00 -
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Tippia wrote:mkint wrote:It's not a matter of taste. Of course it is. Only if you assume there are people who like to taste sh!t. |

Ptraci
3 R Corporation
74
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Posted - 2011.11.04 23:49:00 -
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To be honest if you want to nit pick, you would lose all the lights on the ships too, and hopefully make them from radar absorbent material so that they would be completely "dark". Wouldn't make for a fun game though - "hey, where's my ship?"
I kinda like the camo although it's complete nonsense. |

Krios Ahzek
Juvenis Iratus
14
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Posted - 2011.11.05 00:07:00 -
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I can't believe no one posted this yet.
There ain't no stealth in space.
http://www.projectrho.com/rocket/spacewardetect.php#id--There_Ain%27t_No_Stealth_In_Space
DEAL WITH IT.
And read the entire site while you're at it, it's awesome. |

Bienator II
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
250
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Posted - 2011.11.05 00:29:00 -
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Krios Ahzek wrote: There ain't no stealth in space.
right. AFK cloaker are only in our imagination. You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1189
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Posted - 2011.11.05 00:36:00 -
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mkint wrote:Only if you assume there are people who like to taste sh!t. No, that assumption is not necessary. Just the knowledge that you are not the final arbiter of taste.
Bienator II wrote:right. AFK cloaker are only in our imagination. Funnily enough, yes. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

Barbelo Valentinian
The Scope Gallente Federation
123
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Posted - 2011.11.05 01:58:00 -
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Jeez I can't believe people are talking about this as a sim aspect - it doesn't matter what the **** colour you paint a spaceship anyway, so why not paint it camo? (And also Barbie pink if you want - hopefully we'll be able to at some point )
It's just a matter of taste and sensibility. I happen to think it looks great on things like the Navy Megathron. You can rp it as some sort of sentimental military legacy thing.
The only thing that looks absolutely **** in camo is that new Comet - yeeuuuuurgh. Much preferred the old "police" stylisation, it was kind of unique and made the Comet a special little treasure of a ship.
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shellree
Galactic Shipyards Inc NEM3SIS.
3
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Posted - 2011.11.05 02:39:00 -
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i think its fine and really this thread is pointless tbh. you dont like it dont fly it. dont invite it to your fleets. kick any member who flys one etc. prob solved. |

Ptraci
3 R Corporation
76
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Posted - 2011.11.05 12:30:00 -
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Barbelo Valentinian wrote:Jeez I can't believe people are talking about this as a sim aspect - it doesn't matter what the **** colour you paint a spaceship anyway, so why not paint it camo? (And also Barbie pink if you want - hopefully we'll be able to at some point  )
While paint customization sounds cool I can just imagine that it's going to be either extremely low resolution OR you will only be able to choose from a limited standard set predetermined by CCP - just like corp logos. Why? Can you imagine how long it would take jumping into Jita or a fleet battle? Ah yes, go make yourself a sandwich while EVE downloads all the different custom paint jobs. |

Zendoren
Aktaeon Industries The Black Armada
33
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Posted - 2011.11.05 12:46:00 -
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Jodis Talvanen wrote:Dear Father Grigory,
Please be adviced that "camo" is not a good way to communicate a "space navy" identity.
The reasons are obvious. Insert 500,000 words of random citation of relevant whinings here.
Please, if CCP is heading toward the direction of fixing all the old outdated wrong inappropriate stuff, please STOP making space camos.
Concerned pod pilot who is hiding in the spacebush
TBH the best camo in space is a mirror surface.
Also, there is no sound in space nor is there an up..... |
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Darwpromtheus
Fu-swat
0
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Posted - 2011.11.05 13:02:00 -
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It-¦s for when you crash on a planet.. Very useful IMHO when you hide your space ship in a shrubbery.
Bring back black Navy Mega....
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Psychophantic
95
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Posted - 2011.11.05 13:18:00 -
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Camo on space ships is about as appropriate as a neon pink my little pony themed skin.
My sensors don't care what colour you are.
How about you just do some basic drab navy style skins, kinda like how you did everything in the NEX then let us buy our preferred skin to put on it. |

Idicious Lightbane
SniggWaffe
0
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Posted - 2011.11.05 13:26:00 -
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The Lach also got the camo job :-( |

Trovarion
Spiritus Draconis
0
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Posted - 2011.11.05 15:15:00 -
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isnt it obvious what they're doing? we are telling them we hate the camo and ofc ccp hears us whine and puts in more camo, because that will automatically create more people who will want to spend RL money on NEX-custom skins.  |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1194
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Posted - 2011.11.05 15:27:00 -
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Idicious Lightbane wrote:The Lach also got the camo job :-( GǪas did the Occator. It seems the virus that infected the Diemost and kept it from being the silver (now bronze) of Duvolle ships is now infecting some of the Roden ships as well. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
412
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Posted - 2011.11.05 15:49:00 -
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Every ship in the game. EVERY FRIKKIN SHIP I say, should be immediately painted flat black. That's as real as it gets.
Boring as hell, but it's what you people want, isn't it?
Be careful what you wish for, folks. You might not like it when you get it.
Mr Epeen  If you can read this, you haven't blocked me yet. |

Khors
El Barco Pirata
12
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Posted - 2011.11.05 16:09:00 -
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Any viable "camouflage" is masking your various signals that would give you away (heat, gravity etc.) to enemy sensors. This has already been stated twenty times now.
Camouflage makes as much sense as tiger stripes. It's only aesthetics in this context. This is not to say the camo is ****, I'm saying it fits as well in as any "crazy" paintjob in the sense that pherhaps the navy wanted a cool pattern to make their ships uniqe and looked back at ground warfare, because they wanted to keep it down a bit rather than going for some obnoxious colours and stripes and whatnot. I liked the old orange decals on gallente navy ships however, but I don't think the camo paintjobs are as silly as some people are raving on about. My only feud with it is that it masks some characteristics of the ships by making the camo pretty much cover the entire ship uniformly. |

Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2011.11.05 16:11:00 -
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On a side note CCP can I have a MIRROR camo? Or CHROME paintjob? |

Max Von Sydow
Droneboat Diplomacy
28
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Posted - 2011.11.05 16:19:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Every ship in the game. EVERY FRIKKIN SHIP I say, should be immediately painted flat black. That's as real as it gets. Boring as hell, but it's what you people want, isn't it? Be careful what you wish for, folks. You might not like it when you get it. Mr Epeen 
Boring is preferable to fugly. Most of us don't care whether or not the skin would be useful. What this thread is really about is the fact that the camouflage is the ugly, bad, stupid etc etc and we don't want it. Since camouflage doesn't work anyway we would rather have some nice skin, like the orange one seen on some gallente NPC ships.
http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/graphics/ids/512/2139.jpg |

Alara IonStorm
RvB - BLUE Republic
344
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Posted - 2011.11.05 16:23:00 -
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Max Von Sydow wrote:Boring is preferable to fugly. Most of us don't care whether or not the skin would be useful. What this thread is really about is the fact that the camouflage is the ugly, bad, stupid etc etc and we don't want it. Since camouflage doesn't work anyway we would rather have some nice skin, like the orange one seen on some gallente NPC ships. http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/graphics/ids/512/2139.jpg I wish the Navy Skins were like what there Navy flies.
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