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Jhonen Senraedi
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Posted - 2006.02.20 11:30:00 -
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Some of you may disagree...but I think there should be a stickied Thread where alliances can/should publish their policies in own space and neutral space regarding...their stance toward neutrals..i.e...do they shoot all?only combat equipped ships etc?
Would be nice for official clarifications rather than having to trawl through all the various posts.
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ParMizaN
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Posted - 2006.02.20 11:32:00 -
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I think the term "not blue, shoot it" gives their policy away.
Phenomena of ironies, cast the litany aside How intelligible, blessed be the forgetful
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Hoshi
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Posted - 2006.02.20 11:37:00 -
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There are 0.0 alliances that do not have an nbsi policy? :)
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wierchas noobhunter
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Posted - 2006.02.20 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Hoshi There are 0.0 alliances that do not have an nbsi policy? :)
i think nop
join soar angelic
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Kusotarre
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Posted - 2006.02.20 11:44:00 -
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Razor Alliance doesn't use an NBSI policy.
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arjun
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Posted - 2006.02.20 11:50:00 -
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g alliance doesnt shoot neutrals. it has its drawbacks of course and we struggle to keep it up. we do it because it is in context with our live and let live view of the galaxy and because we see ourself as the good guys. in enemy territory we follow rather the nbsi policy and members of npc corps are assaultet in 0.0.
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Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2006.02.20 11:52:00 -
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ASCN doesnt shoot neutrals outside its claimed space.
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Kay Han
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Posted - 2006.02.20 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig ASCN doesnt shoot neutrals outside its claimed space.
___________________________________________ A wise man said once: 'Violence is the escape of the mentaly poor guys.'
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Gilbert Drillerson
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Posted - 2006.02.20 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig ASCN doesnt shoot neutrals outside its claimed space.
Actually thats a general rule BUT:
We shoot neutrals in enemy 0.0 space and we shoot noob corp members in 0.0. Not always, but its a good guideline.
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Bokudo
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Posted - 2006.02.20 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Hoshi There are 0.0 alliances that do not have an nbsi policy? :)
The CVA don't operate under an NBSI policy, mainly because of our RP. It's also probably much easier for us to do then a really big 0.0 entity.
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thoth foc
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Posted - 2006.02.20 12:29:00 -
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Edited by: thoth foc on 20/02/2006 12:30:09
Originally by: Jhonen Senraedi Some of you may disagree...but I think there should be a stickied Thread where alliances can/should publish their policies in own space and neutral space regarding...their stance toward neutrals..i.e...do they shoot all?only combat equipped ships etc?
Would be nice for official clarifications rather than having to trawl through all the various posts.
It would be kinna pointless to have a thread like that, since no one controls their space to that extent.. every region has it's own "pirate" investations.. the alliance might have grand and noble idles, but someone will be there in a more realistic opinion ;)
apart from that to go into a region without proper investigation pretty much deserves to get shot. Going into a region without talking to the residents is impolite at best.
edit: no i'm not going to proof read more than the 1st line
--thoth [5], ex-Curse Alliance ex-DSMA
We do not go hunting, cuz hunting infers the possibility of failure.. We go killing... |
anister
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Posted - 2006.02.20 12:30:00 -
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[5] Has a policy of shooting all neutrals regardless of location.
BOS has very few corps actually set towards negative standings for this reason, it's a lot easier. ___
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TURBOman
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Posted - 2006.02.20 12:47:00 -
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Its simple tbh, if u don't wanna get shot stay in hi sec space, in 0.0 u can't count on anyone but blue not to shoot at you Linkage [Yellow]Your sig is too large, please reduce it's size and have the ladies in it give me a call - Ductoris[/Yello |
Gungankllr
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Posted - 2006.02.20 13:05:00 -
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It may not make sense to some, but shooting at neutrals is pretty normal for most alliances.
Alliances or corporations only have a certain number of alliances or corporations "slots" that can set to positive or negative standing.
Once that max limit is reached, there is no knowing what your personal feelings or "settings" are.
At the speed of current combat, "showing info" means that you could either end up dead, or they could get away.
Sometimes when we are operating in enemy space if we see you in system, we will do a show info to see if you're a threat.
Putting "Friend of ???? / ???? and ????" (If they are our enemies) is a sure way to get killed.
Likewise, we expect if we are operating in 0.0 near or in enemy space and we run into you, you're going to shoot at us.
It's just the way combat is nowadays. The HP improvements were great, but combat is still a bat of the eye thing, and there really isn't time to talk to folks about it.
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Babs Johnson
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Posted - 2006.02.20 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig ASCN doesnt shoot neutrals outside its claimed space.
This isn't a true statement.
And Ekliptika does not shoot neutrals unless they shoot first or they advertise in their bios their friendship with our enemies.
If your corp logo has a skull in it, your sec status is 4.2 and your bio says you kill for fun, we'll probably shoot at you too.
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.02.20 13:49:00 -
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We won't shoot you, but then, we don't make territorial claims :p
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.02.20 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig ASCN doesnt shoot neutrals outside its claimed space. We shoot everyone in the north that isn't blue tho, since most north has something to do with G/IRON
fixed for ya Gob ----------------
Originally by: Abdalion Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.02.20 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Hoshi There are 0.0 alliances that do not have an nbsi policy? :)
FIX does not use NBSI outside its own space, generally. -- Proud member of the [23].
What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
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Hardin
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Posted - 2006.02.20 15:12:00 -
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CVA does not operate an NBSI policy in its area.
Neutrals do not get shot in CVA space unless they start trouble or are obvious spy alts. Well behaved visitors have nothing to fear apart from the occasional pirate raid.
Our non-NBSI does cause us problems sometimes but we do tend to give people the benefit of the doubt as in the long run it makes us more friends than enemies
However, anyone thinking of spending time or living in CVA space should really contact a CVA rep to ensure no mix ups occur particularly if you have a negative sec status.
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Exile Devaltos
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Posted - 2006.02.20 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig ASCN doesnt shoot neutrals outside its claimed space. We shoot everyone in the north that isn't blue tho, since most north has something to do with G/IRON
fixed for ya Gob
Lol, so true
Originally by: Wrangler Thats odd, I always drink after dealing with you people..
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Hellspawn01
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Posted - 2006.02.20 16:08:00 -
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Every of the older alliances shoot neutrals. FA, SA, SE, PA, BoB, F-E, FoE, NBSI, 5, ASCN and some of the smaller alliances.
Personaly, I blame the NBSI policy as the reason why so many ppl dont access 0.0. Imagine if alliances would not shoot neutrals, only hostiles. 0.0 would get more populated, empire less lag infested and more targets to 0.0 pirates. Alliances would only deal with ppl with negative standing. But greedy alliances want to keep their more than enough resources and want more killmails so its not working. ------ Ö Ship lover
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Mactire
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Posted - 2006.02.20 16:25:00 -
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Huzzah Federation operates an open skies policy. We only fire on red targets or obvious alt spies.
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Professor McFly
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Posted - 2006.02.20 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Hellspawn01 Every of the older alliances shoot neutrals. FA, SA, SE, PA, BoB, F-E, FoE, NBSI, 5, ASCN and some of the smaller alliances.
Personaly, I blame the NBSI policy as the reason why so many ppl dont access 0.0. Imagine if alliances would not shoot neutrals, only hostiles. 0.0 would get more populated, empire less lag infested and more targets to 0.0 pirates. Alliances would only deal with ppl with negative standing. But greedy alliances want to keep their more than enough resources and want more killmails so its not working.
Get a clue. __________________ Retard's handbook |
Raid
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Posted - 2006.02.20 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Hellspawn01 Every of the older alliances shoot neutrals. FA, SA, SE, PA, BoB, F-E, FoE, NBSI, 5, ASCN and some of the smaller alliances.
Personaly, I blame the NBSI policy as the reason why so many ppl dont access 0.0. Imagine if alliances would not shoot neutrals, only hostiles. 0.0 would get more populated, empire less lag infested and more targets to 0.0 pirates. Alliances would only deal with ppl with negative standing. But greedy alliances want to keep their more than enough resources and want more killmails so its not working.
NO 0.0 alliance can safely operate its space if they allow neutrals to pass through. If neutrals are mining our asteroids, hunting in our belts and running our agents then the claimed space becomes less profitable for us. Open space has been attempted and failed on many ocasions, it just doesnt work.
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Oceana
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Posted - 2006.02.20 17:09:00 -
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As Parmizan noted earlier in the thread, NBSI Alliance name kinda says it all...it's a kind of 'fair warning' at least right in everyone's bio.
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Jhonen Senraedi
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Posted - 2006.02.20 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Raid
Originally by: Hellspawn01 Every of the older alliances shoot neutrals. FA, SA, SE, PA, BoB, F-E, FoE, NBSI, 5, ASCN and some of the smaller alliances.
Personaly, I blame the NBSI policy as the reason why so many ppl dont access 0.0. Imagine if alliances would not shoot neutrals, only hostiles. 0.0 would get more populated, empire less lag infested and more targets to 0.0 pirates. Alliances would only deal with ppl with negative standing. But greedy alliances want to keep their more than enough resources and want more killmails so its not working.
NO 0.0 alliance can safely operate its space if they allow neutrals to pass through. If neutrals are mining our asteroids, hunting in our belts and running our agents then the claimed space becomes less profitable for us. Open space has been attempted and failed on many ocasions, it just doesnt work.
Well...I applaud all alliances who have responded to this post...makes it all a little bit clearer.
A couple of points though.... a)Some people are saying they shoot first at neutrals in or near enemy space...because they may get the drop on them etc....Even in an Industrial?Perhaps primarily take out neutral combat ships..but non-combatants is a little low.
b)To the fact that NBSI policy...not the Faction...tends to stop people from going to 0.0..to an extent probably...but I have been there and lost ships etc. It;s a risk you take...just nicer to know who to watch out for...
c)With regard to open skies policy not working...hmm...I'd disagree as some use it and seem to do ok..so no reason why all couldn't and those that worry about their ratting/minerals etc...well they could sell licences etc. and profit that way...and also they could profit from neutrals docking and trading at and with their stations.
As a footnote..YTotally OOC...to those who vehemently defend their space(sic)..technically space is owned by no-one and by all(as we all pay our subs)..but ultimately by CCP...
Anyways..Once again thanks for the insight and the input...
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Telvin Asrick
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Posted - 2006.02.20 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Raid
Originally by: Hellspawn01 Every of the older alliances shoot neutrals. FA, SA, SE, PA, BoB, F-E, FoE, NBSI, 5, ASCN and some of the smaller alliances.
Personaly, I blame the NBSI policy as the reason why so many ppl dont access 0.0. Imagine if alliances would not shoot neutrals, only hostiles. 0.0 would get more populated, empire less lag infested and more targets to 0.0 pirates. Alliances would only deal with ppl with negative standing. But greedy alliances want to keep their more than enough resources and want more killmails so its not working.
NO 0.0 alliance can safely operate its space if they allow neutrals to pass through. If neutrals are mining our asteroids, hunting in our belts and running our agents then the claimed space becomes less profitable for us. Open space has been attempted and failed on many ocasions, it just doesnt work.
No. There are alliance slike The Big Blue that opperate on an open space policy. With the exception of one system, the rest of the constellation is open and free space. |
Hellspawn01
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Posted - 2006.02.20 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: Professor McFly
Originally by: Hellspawn01 Every of the older alliances shoot neutrals. FA, SA, SE, PA, BoB, F-E, FoE, NBSI, 5, ASCN and some of the smaller alliances.
Personaly, I blame the NBSI policy as the reason why so many ppl dont access 0.0. Imagine if alliances would not shoot neutrals, only hostiles. 0.0 would get more populated, empire less lag infested and more targets to 0.0 pirates. Alliances would only deal with ppl with negative standing. But greedy alliances want to keep their more than enough resources and want more killmails so its not working.
Get a clue.
Post with your main or at least be constructive. ------ Ö Ship lover
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Turkantho
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Posted - 2006.02.20 17:36:00 -
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Edited by: Turkantho on 20/02/2006 17:37:31
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig ASCN doesnt shoot neutrals outside its claimed space. We shoot everyone in the north that isn't blue tho, since most north has something to do with G/IRON
fixed for ya Gob
lol yeah G/IRON/RzR rulez teh north and everyone there obeys our wishes
oh wait aren't ther some other alliances too that have absolutly nothing to do with G/IRON/RzR
Arjun did a good job in summarizing our RoE ps wts clue ________
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Dao 2
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Posted - 2006.02.20 21:00:00 -
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Originally by: ParMizaN I think the term "not blue, shoot it" gives their policy away.
we don't really unless ur in our space, enemy space, or friendly space. Noob corps and suspect neutrals not withstanding ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p)
the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that
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