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PotatoOverdose Handsome Millionaire Playboys 640	Posted - 2013.11.20 19:15:00 - [31] - Quote CannonFodder82 wrote: Why does my Stratios have a 30 second re-cloak delay? this is not normal for covops ships? Because it isn't a covops ship? Its a faction ship that can fit a covops cloak, its not in the T2 covops line.
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 7455	Posted - 2013.11.20 19:28:00 - [32] - Quote Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: The Stratios is NOT a covert ops ships and therefore does NOT have the covert ops cloaking delay reduction. Be ***** happy that you even get to use the covert ops cloak on a non covert ops or Recon or BR..because they could have just as easily made it so that they can only use a standard cloak..and I couldn't image the crocodile tears youd be pouring in my GD if that was the case. Pasted from other thread. changed one word to make it relevant here. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?**
Dun'Gal Myriad Contractors Inc. 53	Posted - 2013.11.20 19:36:00 - [33] - Quote Just so we're clear here, the covops cloak has the 30s recloak delay built into it. This is nothing new. It just so happens that covops ships have a neat little bonus that reduces this.
Batelle Komm susser Tod 414	Posted - 2013.11.20 19:57:00 - [34] - Quote the distinction between covert ops ships and SOE ships is tenuous at best, especially if you are familiar with the history of supposed covert ops ships. Within the supposed class of covert ops ships you have many varying abilities, none of which seem to apply to all of the ships. Old bombers couldn't warp cloaked and had a speed bonus while cloaked. Black Ops battleships are still like this. New bombers, old bombers, and black ops battleships have 100% reduction in targeting delay. New bombers can warp cloaked. All ships that can fit a covert ops cloak have reactivation reduction. Except for SOE and maybe tournament reward ships. No ships that cannot fit a covert ops cloak have cloak reactivation reduction. Except Black Ops. All ships that can fit a covert ops cloak can fit covert cyno generators and use black ops bridges. No ship that cannot fit the covert ops cloak can fit the covert cyno gen or use a black ops bridge. Except for the black ops battleships, which can light covert cynos and cannot fit covert ops cloaking devices. SOE ships can both fit covert cyno gens and use covert ops bridges. Only the t2 scanning frigate is formally known as a covert ops ship. Its pretty silly to take the lack of reactivation delay as a sign that SOE ships are not covert ops ships. Lets just say that they are and be done with it, accepting the fact that this is one more wrinkle of variation in a varied class. In any case, this was either overlooked by CCP, or intended as a balance feature that was specific to these ships. Its also a pretty gigantic troll that will get people killed, as the ships behave exactly like other covert ops ships in every respect save the need to hold gate-cloak slightly longer (and not be able to jam-cloak or whatever, but these seems irrelevant). What's more interesting is WHY CCP decided not to give them reactivation delay. Possible reasons. 1. to troll the **** out of people who jump into a gatecamp and forget that their ship behaves slightly differently than every other ship. 2. to force SOE ships to be revealed on D-scan when they drop probes. 3. to force SOE ships to be revelaed on D-scan and on grid when they chase you into a plex and have to decloak for various reasons, they cannot do it briefly like a t3 or other covert ops ship can. 4. to make them visible and probable for longer when using a mobile depot. 5. to make them far more vulnerable to accidental decloaks than other ships, and to perhaps encourage them to pre-emptively decloak in certain situations. Fighting is Magic
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 299	Posted - 2013.11.20 21:11:00 - [35] - Quote Well I understood 'exploration' as its principle targetted usage, but T3's still do a much better job at that...so in short the Stratios is fail IMHO. It looks pretty, but like a hot tranny who is all flash and no substance it falls down in two major ways vs. intended purpose. With a T3 I can fit an interdiction nullifier and feasibly fly down to null to work relic sites for the mad cheddar, and also not blow my brains out struggling with the crappy hacking mini game, because I can fit two Memetic Algorithm Bank rigs on a T3, but only one on the Stratios... Stop trying to make the Stratios all things to all people or another 'meh' combat ship -- nerf its pew abilities to boost virus strength to +15 (or add a boost to virus coherence as well) and put an interdiction nullifier on it. Then it might fit its described main role as a kick ass exploration ship. As it is right now it just seems like another Odyssey-type tactic just to get more newbs down into null to meet their deaths while trying to run the sites that actually pay out. Would you like to know more?
Chopper Rollins Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 326	Posted - 2013.11.20 21:21:00 - [36] - Quote Remissus Rinah wrote: Arline Kley wrote: Consider this - the Sisters of EVE are not in anyway a war like organisation. Their ships have weapons, yes, but they are designed to defend themselves, and not go as the first gun; think of the 30 seconds delay as them having an older variant of the Covert Ops computer systems, which while having the computational ability to handle the Covert Ops system, does not have the capacity to handle the immense requirement to re-cloak immediately: They after all a Humanitarian organisation and not one of the major 4 empires. Huh! I... hadn't really thought about it like that, in all honesty. That's actually a really good point! I retract my earlier statement. Unless this is someone answering themselves with an alt it's something i can't recall seeing in GD. Refreshing change from the usual smart alec replies and goblin gabble. As you were. Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Aracimia Wolfe Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League 252	Posted - 2013.11.20 21:47:00 - [37] - Quote err deja vu...... This looks just like the Astero thread. The ships fine as is, I spent time pre release with this ship on Sisi and it's an absolute beast even after they nerfed the drone bandwidth. I've seen it used to devastating effect as an ambusher and used it as one myself. If you're doing it right it's nigh impossible to catch this thing on a gate Kill it with Fire!
Janna Sway GeoCorp. Curatores Veritatis Alliance 78	Posted - 2013.11.20 22:42:00 - [38] - Quote Ladies and Gentlemen! This is the first "Buff Cloak Thread" in EVE History! Let this moment sink in... OP, be realistic please... You cannot really believe that a "Servant Sisters of EVE" offer you a ship that outperforms a specialized T2 racial Recon ship, made for military operations. A noobship with a doomsday weapon would be truly something what you would deserve, and I wished I could offer you that, but sorry, that's not gonna happen. Likewise, try to accept that you cannot get a invincible OP-ship like this Stratios that would offer you better performance than a T2 Recon ship...
Batelle Komm susser Tod 441	Posted - 2013.11.21 20:10:00 - [39] - Quote Janna Sway wrote: Ladies and Gentlemen! This is the first "Buff Cloak Thread" in EVE History! Let this moment sink in... OP, be realistic please... You cannot really believe that a "Servant Sisters of EVE" offer you a ship that outperforms a specialized T2 racial Recon ship, made for military operations. Yet the stratios already does outperform them, and outperform them specifically in the role of killing things? The RP-loremaster angle is pretty weak, since humanitarian ship kills better than the military ship and hides worse. The whole notion that they aren't covops ships is absurd. Lacking a short reactivation delay does not make them non-covops. It merely makes them covops ships that happen to have a long reactivation delay. Fighting is Magic
Janna Sway GeoCorp. Curatores Veritatis Alliance 81	Posted - 2013.11.22 07:22:00 - [40] - Quote Batelle wrote: Janna Sway wrote: Ladies and Gentlemen! This is the first "Buff Cloak Thread" in EVE History! Let this moment sink in... OP, be realistic please... You cannot really believe that a "Servant Sisters of EVE" offer you a ship that outperforms a specialized T2 racial Recon ship, made for military operations. Yet the stratios already does outperform them, and outperform them specifically in the role of killing things? The RP-loremaster angle is pretty weak, since humanitarian ship kills better than the military ship and hides worse. The whole notion that they aren't covops ships is absurd. Lacking a short reactivation delay does not make them non-covops. It merely makes them covops ships that happen to have a long reactivation delay. The Stratios price tag is currently pretty sick. However, concerning the CovOps, one could use the SOE ships for CovOps operations, but by far not very efficiently. With CovOps I do not refer to exploration but to espionage in hostile environment. The SOE have the reactivation delay of prototype and improved cloaking devices, and espionage is basically impossible with those cloaking devices already. not only because one cannot warp while cloaked, but also because of the extended reactivation delay. The extended reactivation delay destroys pretty much the concept of "espionage and CovOps". The purpose of CovOps operations is not to kill anything anyway. The strength of CovOps, especially in hostile environment, is the "potential" and the "threat factor". Hm, I must stop right here in order to not drift into a 10 page-long post about CovOps, for I love its concept and beauty.
Eko Fromtv Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 71	Posted - 2013.11.22 09:10:00 - [41] - Quote The delay is by no means detrimental for the explorers, which is the main purpose of the vessel. Now if you are a wannabe ganker that's something else. I for one LOVE the Stratios. It is excellent in its capabilities and I can;t even remember the last ship that I actually looked at while doing something in EVE. Usually I'm in tactical or the screen is covered in chat windows. The Strat is so beautiful ad pleasing to the eye it made me actually play the game by looking at my ship. A couple of points tho: 1. The drone nerf was completely unnecessary. The dps is not high enough for 4/10 now. Same goes for sleepers. 2. Capacitor is VERY bad. It's the main cause for warping out. Still, it;s an excellent ship and I owe the designer and artists a beer or two next fanfest. (Ice) Miner for life.
Janna Sway GeoCorp. Curatores Veritatis Alliance 81	Posted - 2013.11.22 11:56:00 - [42] - Quote Eko Fromtv wrote: The delay is by no means detrimental for the explorers, which is the main purpose of the vessel. Now if you are a wannabe ganker that's something else. I for one LOVE the Stratios. It is excellent in its capabilities and I can;t even remember the last ship that I actually looked at while doing something in EVE. Usually I'm in tactical or the screen is covered in chat windows. The Strat is so beautiful ad pleasing to the eye it made me actually play the game by looking at my ship. A couple of points tho: 1. The drone nerf was completely unnecessary. The dps is not high enough for 4/10 now. Same goes for sleepers. 2. Capacitor is VERY bad. It's the main cause for warping out. Still, it;s an excellent ship and I owe the designer and artists a beer or two next fanfest. to 1. Well, I would also not complain about 5 shiphull bonused sentries in a cruiser, offering 800 DPS, plus laser turrets, pushing it to 1000+ DPS with CovOps cloak. :D DPS is not enough for 4/10 DEDs??? That is strange... Well, believe me, the drone mbit/s nerf was more than necessary. :)
Eko Fromtv Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 71	Posted - 2013.11.22 12:00:00 - [43] - Quote Janna Sway wrote: Eko Fromtv wrote: The delay is by no means detrimental for the explorers, which is the main purpose of the vessel. Now if you are a wannabe ganker that's something else. I for one LOVE the Stratios. It is excellent in its capabilities and I can;t even remember the last ship that I actually looked at while doing something in EVE. Usually I'm in tactical or the screen is covered in chat windows. The Strat is so beautiful ad pleasing to the eye it made me actually play the game by looking at my ship. A couple of points tho: 1. The drone nerf was completely unnecessary. The dps is not high enough for 4/10 now. Same goes for sleepers. 2. Capacitor is VERY bad. It's the main cause for warping out. Still, it;s an excellent ship and I owe the designer and artists a beer or two next fanfest. to 1. Well, I would also not complain about 5 shiphull bonused sentries in a cruiser, offering 800 DPS, plus laser turrets, pushing it to 1000+ DPS with CovOps cloak. :D Well, believe me, the drone mbit/s nerf was more than necessary. :) We covered that in the SoE ships announcement thread. No one will fly a 400 mil ship like that. EFT warrioring =/= real life EVE. (Ice) Miner for life.
Celeste Taylor Ruby Dynasty 195	Posted - 2013.11.22 12:22:00 - [44] - Quote I love the Stratios, but agree that CCP probably should have specialized it a bit more to be an exploration ship at the cost of being a combat ship. The recloaking bonus would serve it better than the energy turrets bonus (and 4 hardpoints?) in my opinion, especially since I notice that many people are already creating fittings that don't use them. Maybe it should have had better agility or a smaller sig as well, although the large cargo hold is nice for the role. I also think that a swift cloaky ship would have been better with shield bonuses over armor bonuses, especially with a 5/5/5 layout. Armor tanking doesn't leave much room for drone damage amps, and gives us an extra mid that I ended up using a web on. I would easily take a 4/4/6 over a 5/5/5. I actually have one of my lower SP alts using it like a cloaky Sentry PVE Vexor and it does a decent job. For now it would seem like a great rookie cruiser and maybe even an alternate for a Vexor, especially with the 920 PWG and 400 CPU and low skills to pilot. It will obviously not perform as well as an Ishtar for PVE or a T3 cruiser but is much easier to pilot and fit.
Janna Sway GeoCorp. Curatores Veritatis Alliance 81	Posted - 2013.11.22 13:37:00 - [45] - Quote Eko Fromtv wrote: Janna Sway wrote: Eko Fromtv wrote: The delay is by no means detrimental for the explorers, which is the main purpose of the vessel. Now if you are a wannabe ganker that's something else. I for one LOVE the Stratios. It is excellent in its capabilities and I can;t even remember the last ship that I actually looked at while doing something in EVE. Usually I'm in tactical or the screen is covered in chat windows. The Strat is so beautiful ad pleasing to the eye it made me actually play the game by looking at my ship. A couple of points tho: 1. The drone nerf was completely unnecessary. The dps is not high enough for 4/10 now. Same goes for sleepers. 2. Capacitor is VERY bad. It's the main cause for warping out. Still, it;s an excellent ship and I owe the designer and artists a beer or two next fanfest. to 1. Well, I would also not complain about 5 shiphull bonused sentries in a cruiser, offering 800 DPS, plus laser turrets, pushing it to 1000+ DPS with CovOps cloak. :D Well, believe me, the drone mbit/s nerf was more than necessary. :) We covered that in the SoE ships announcement thread. No one will fly a 400 mil ship like that. EFT warrioring =/= real life EVE. Do you assume that the Stratios' cost of 400M ISK will not drop? Furthermore, with 5 sentries I would fly the Stratios exactly the way how I pointed out above. 400M ISK or not...400M ISK would not really bother me, if I could fly an OP-ship.
Solstice Project Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 4655	Posted - 2013.11.22 13:48:00 - [46] - Quote Only members of the future RvB Universal Police Force will be allowed cloaks without targetting delays.
Eko Fromtv Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 72	Posted - 2013.11.22 13:50:00 - [47] - Quote Janna Sway wrote: Eko Fromtv wrote: Janna Sway wrote: Eko Fromtv wrote: The delay is by no means detrimental for the explorers, which is the main purpose of the vessel. Now if you are a wannabe ganker that's something else. I for one LOVE the Stratios. It is excellent in its capabilities and I can;t even remember the last ship that I actually looked at while doing something in EVE. Usually I'm in tactical or the screen is covered in chat windows. The Strat is so beautiful ad pleasing to the eye it made me actually play the game by looking at my ship. A couple of points tho: 1. The drone nerf was completely unnecessary. The dps is not high enough for 4/10 now. Same goes for sleepers. 2. Capacitor is VERY bad. It's the main cause for warping out. Still, it;s an excellent ship and I owe the designer and artists a beer or two next fanfest. to 1. Well, I would also not complain about 5 shiphull bonused sentries in a cruiser, offering 800 DPS, plus laser turrets, pushing it to 1000+ DPS with CovOps cloak. :D Well, believe me, the drone mbit/s nerf was more than necessary. :) We covered that in the SoE ships announcement thread. No one will fly a 400 mil ship like that. EFT warrioring =/= real life EVE. Do you assume that the Stratios' cost of 400M ISK will not drop? Furthermore, with 5 sentries I would fly the Stratios exactly the way how I pointed out above. 400M ISK or not...400M ISK would not really bother me, if I could fly an OP-ship. I wonder why would anyone do such a thing when you can fly something cheaper that is actually made for pvp and can do as much dps as the eft warrior-paper only Statios fits. (Ice) Miner for life.
Janna Sway GeoCorp. Curatores Veritatis Alliance 81	Posted - 2013.11.22 13:53:00 - [48] - Quote Eko Fromtv wrote: Janna Sway wrote: Eko Fromtv wrote: Janna Sway wrote: Eko Fromtv wrote: The delay is by no means detrimental for the explorers, which is the main purpose of the vessel. Now if you are a wannabe ganker that's something else. I for one LOVE the Stratios. It is excellent in its capabilities and I can;t even remember the last ship that I actually looked at while doing something in EVE. Usually I'm in tactical or the screen is covered in chat windows. The Strat is so beautiful ad pleasing to the eye it made me actually play the game by looking at my ship. A couple of points tho: 1. The drone nerf was completely unnecessary. The dps is not high enough for 4/10 now. Same goes for sleepers. 2. Capacitor is VERY bad. It's the main cause for warping out. Still, it;s an excellent ship and I owe the designer and artists a beer or two next fanfest. to 1. Well, I would also not complain about 5 shiphull bonused sentries in a cruiser, offering 800 DPS, plus laser turrets, pushing it to 1000+ DPS with CovOps cloak. :D Well, believe me, the drone mbit/s nerf was more than necessary. :) We covered that in the SoE ships announcement thread. No one will fly a 400 mil ship like that. EFT warrioring =/= real life EVE. Do you assume that the Stratios' cost of 400M ISK will not drop? Furthermore, with 5 sentries I would fly the Stratios exactly the way how I pointed out above. 400M ISK or not...400M ISK would not really bother me, if I could fly an OP-ship. I wonder why would anyone do such a thing when you can fly something cheaper that is actually made for pvp and can do as much dps as the eft warrior-paper only Statios fits. Because the CovOps cloak with that crapload of DPS would allow me to chose my targets more efficiently, position myself much better, plainly win much more fights... :)
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 4867	Posted - 2013.11.22 17:15:00 - [49] - Quote I was in Amarr last night and if memory serves the cruiser was going for less than half that amount. 185mil sticks in my mind, but I wasn't paying that close of attention... so take that with a grain of salt. LOL, maybe I'm thinking of the frigate. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Janna Sway GeoCorp. Curatores Veritatis Alliance 81	Posted - 2013.11.23 02:24:00 - [50] - Quote Ranger 1 wrote: I was in Amarr last night and if memory serves the cruiser was going for less than half that amount. 185mil sticks in my mind, but I wasn't paying that close of attention... so take that with a grain of salt. LOL, maybe I'm thinking of the frigate. Stratios goes for 482M in Amarr, 500M in average.
Eko Fromtv Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 74	Posted - 2013.11.23 02:46:00 - [51] - Quote Janna Sway wrote: Because the CovOps cloak with that crapload of DPS would allow me to chose my targets more efficiently, position myself much better, plainly win much more fights... :) What is targeting delay? What is squishy ship? What is EFT warrioring with no real world application? What is big ass price that few can afford to pay daily for replacement ships? Thanks to eft warrior tears the ship lost some if its exploration abilities. It can no longer do some DED sites, for example. eft - good eft warriors = bad (Ice) Miner for life.
Sura Sadiva Entropic Tactical Crew 714	Posted - 2013.11.23 02:47:00 - [52] - Quote To me the Stratios seems already slightly overpowered as is now, considering the lower skills requirements in respect of Recon (and prices will drop soon). Remving the delay would make better (as recon) than a "true" recon.
Shalashaska Adam DubiousOnes 3	Posted - 2013.11.23 03:02:00 - [53] - Quote As others have said, the ships flaws are hindering it's worthwhile use in it's primary role. Reduce the cloak reactivation delay to 15 seconds to facilitate uninterrupted travel. Increase the sensor recalibration time to compensate. The ship is not meant to be a hunter, it is however meant to be a traveller. Right now it is incredibly frustrating to stealthily travel in.
Janna Sway GeoCorp. Curatores Veritatis Alliance 82	Posted - 2013.11.23 04:21:00 - [54] - Quote Shalashaska Adam wrote: As others have said, the ships flaws are hindering it's worthwhile use in it's primary role. Reduce the cloak reactivation delay to 15 seconds to facilitate uninterrupted travel. Increase the sensor recalibration time to compensate. The ship is not meant to be a hunter, it is however meant to be a traveller. Right now it is incredibly frustrating to stealthily travel in. Don't spam the cloak needlessly. Cloaking as a functionality is meant to be used for "defensive" purposes. The SOE cloaking device is an upate of the T2 Improved Cloaking Device which in addition only allows full functionality of the warp- and impulse drives. It uses the CovOps module, but the technology is not that far advanced. SOE ships are TECH-ONE ships. A cloaking reactivation delay of 15 seconds is reserved for TECH-TWO CovOps ships, the stealth bombers...!!! There is no module that forces a cloaked ship out of cloak, it has no counters. I personally find it pretty annoying already that CCP released a DPS ship with even armor resistances (free unpenalized EANM) and overall short training time (no racial ship level 5 required) with almost CovOps cloaking functionality, which is just overpowered and annoying. As you judge, the cloaking on the SOE ships does not allow sorrowless travelling through all spaces with spammable cloaking of a T2-CovOps/Recon ship. For this functionality is reserved for CovOps operations....that's what the name "CovOps/Recon" stands for. The subject "cloaking" is the cause of ENDLESS "nerf cloaking cry cry" threads, that pop up almost daily on the forums for years and years, and years to come... Unbelievable that these "buff cloaking" threads pop up since the advent of the annoying SOE-ships. If you wish to just travel, then use a Shuttle, CovOps, Interceptor, or just ANY SHIP , properly travel fitted to just get from system A to B. Again, you spam the cloak too much. Once you entered warp, then there is no need to keep the cloaking activated, especially if you are not in nullsec where you might run into bubbles. VERY rarely you find gatecamps with HIC's and seriously, one hardly warps from gate to gate anyway, except one is in highsec. The majority of my EVE-life I spent in low- and nullsec, being an occasional highsec visitor for a couple of minutes per week or so. Once you learn the "basics and tricks" of getting your ships from system to system, then you will see that the SOE-cloaking is ALL you could ever possibly wish for. Just start there, practice how to get any ship through low/null camps and learn from experiences. I got all kind of ships, ranging from Shuttles to Battleships through all sorts of gatecamps in all space security levels. That's what I do day in and out...A standard T1 prototype cloaking is more than enough. Even a cloaking reactivation delay of one minute would be absolutely sufficient.
Xearal Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance 737	Posted - 2013.11.23 07:06:00 - [55] - Quote What the stratios really needs is proper ENGINE TRAILS! Unlike the many other awesome ships in this game, the stratios doesn't have any decent engine trails... GIVE US ENGINE TRAILS!

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