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CannonFodder82
The Vo'Shun
7
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Posted - 2013.11.20 13:46:00 -
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Why does my Stratios have a 30 second re-cloak delay? this is not normal for covops ships? |
Diesel47
Appetite 4 Destruction
916
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Posted - 2013.11.20 13:59:00 -
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because op |
CannonFodder82
The Vo'Shun
7
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Posted - 2013.11.20 14:05:00 -
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30s is too much |
Remissus Rinah
Associated Descendants of Eve
10
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Posted - 2013.11.20 14:12:00 -
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Diesel47 wrote:because op
I agree that it -should- have a delay. However, 30 seconds makes it rather impractical to use; Even as a means of protection while traveling. 15 seconds would make a lot more sense.
~ Remissus |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1156
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Posted - 2013.11.20 14:20:00 -
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Needs I WIN button imo.
~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Arline Kley
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
193
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Posted - 2013.11.20 14:24:00 -
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Consider this - the Sisters of EVE are not in anyway a war like organisation. Their ships have weapons, yes, but they are designed to defend themselves, and not go as the first gun; think of the 30 seconds delay as them having an older variant of the Covert Ops computer systems, which while having the computational ability to handle the Covert Ops system, does not have the capacity to handle the immense requirement to re-cloak immediately:
They after all a Humanitarian organisation and not one of the major 4 empires.
Blessed are those that carry the Empress' Light; with it they destroy the shadows |
CannonFodder82
The Vo'Shun
7
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Posted - 2013.11.20 14:27:00 -
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Arline Kley wrote:Consider this - the Sisters of EVE are not in anyway a war like organisation. Their ships have weapons, yes, but they are designed to defend themselves, and not go as the first gun; think of the 30 seconds delay as them having an older variant of the Covert Ops computer systems, which while having the computational ability to handle the Covert Ops system, does not have the capacity to handle the immense requirement to re-cloak immediately:
They after all a Humanitarian organisation and not one of the major 4 empires.
No |
Azami Nevinyrall
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
1366
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Posted - 2013.11.20 14:28:00 -
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Posting in a "gimmie OP win button" thread...
Support my (possibly dumb) Ideas!!
Worm Rebalance!!! |
CannonFodder82
The Vo'Shun
7
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Posted - 2013.11.20 14:30:00 -
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Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Posting in a "gimmie OP win button" thread...
not the case at all, its an exploration ship, and waiting 30 seconds to re-cloak after uncloaking is far too long, but cheers for showing your intelligence, or lack of it anyways
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
1565
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Posted - 2013.11.20 14:33:00 -
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It can warp while cloaked. Count your blessings, bro.
It could EASILY be worse. They had full justification to not letting us actually fit Cov Ops cloaks, so the SoE ships would show up on D-scan too.
Just pick your fights correctly, and you won't have to worry about recloaking.
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
CannonFodder82
The Vo'Shun
7
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Posted - 2013.11.20 14:36:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:It can warp while cloaked. Count your blessings, bro.
It could EASILY be worse. They had full justification to not letting us actually fit Cov Ops cloaks, so the SoE ships would show up on D-scan too.
Just pick your fights correctly, and you won't have to worry about recloaking.
i dont really want it for pvp i have lots of ships for that, just wanted it to cloak faster that is all, no iwin button or any of that crap the morons keep posting, just plainly a exploration ship blap some rats and try and find nice things
spose it is what it is tho.. |
Arline Kley
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
193
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Posted - 2013.11.20 14:40:00 -
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CannonFodder82 wrote:Arline Kley wrote:Consider this - the Sisters of EVE are not in anyway a war like organisation. Their ships have weapons, yes, but they are designed to defend themselves, and not go as the first gun; think of the 30 seconds delay as them having an older variant of the Covert Ops computer systems, which while having the computational ability to handle the Covert Ops system, does not have the capacity to handle the immense requirement to re-cloak immediately:
They after all a Humanitarian organisation and not one of the major 4 empires. No
Quite a stunning argument there; monosyllabic, direct to your point, but unfortunately lacking in any sort of riposte towards my argument, beyond your primary post dictating that "My new shiny ship isn't as cool as I want it to be, please CCP make it better."
Please do elaborate why you cannot handle a potential work around (as its not explicitly stated that they have access to proper Covert Ops tech) to this "problem"
Blessed are those that carry the Empress' Light; with it they destroy the shadows |
Trii Seo
Sabotage Incorporated
Executive Outcomes
302
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Posted - 2013.11.20 14:46:00 -
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It makes some sense, and it for once doesn't shaft the T2 branch - specialized recon ships and frigates still have that + covert cynos.
It's a shame neither of SoE ships have the latter, but hey - it's not like you see SoE Black Ops Battleships prancing about so I guess there's some merit in that decision too. (And older tech).
Is it Hotdrop O'Clock yet?
Covert pilots unite! Safer working conditions, less accidental limb loss due to unfortunate Cyno accidents!
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=258986 |
Remissus Rinah
Associated Descendants of Eve
10
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Posted - 2013.11.20 14:53:00 -
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Arline Kley wrote:Consider this - the Sisters of EVE are not in anyway a war like organisation. Their ships have weapons, yes, but they are designed to defend themselves, and not go as the first gun; think of the 30 seconds delay as them having an older variant of the Covert Ops computer systems, which while having the computational ability to handle the Covert Ops system, does not have the capacity to handle the immense requirement to re-cloak immediately:
They after all a Humanitarian organisation and not one of the major 4 empires.
Huh! I... hadn't really thought about it like that, in all honesty. That's actually a really good point! I retract my earlier statement.
~ Remissus |
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
1187
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Posted - 2013.11.20 15:14:00 -
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Thread No. #2 on this topic.
Going to be interesting to see if there going to be more how much more will pop up.  |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
399
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Posted - 2013.11.20 15:14:00 -
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Should have put the 30s as the locking delay, not as the recloaking delay, if they wanted it to be nerfed.
Arline Kley wrote:Consider this - the Sisters of EVE are not in anyway a war like organisation. Their ships have weapons, yes, but they are designed to defend themselves, and not go as the first gun; think of the 30 seconds delay as them having an older variant of the Covert Ops computer systems, which while having the computational ability to handle the Covert Ops system, does not have the capacity to handle the immense requirement to re-cloak immediately:
Please toss the fanwanking, besides these are supposed to be brand-new technology accomplishing unheard of feats.
Fighting is Magic |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4857
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Posted - 2013.11.20 15:15:00 -
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It does make sense, they aren't T2 vessels specialized in the use of a covert ops cloak.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors.
If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Skeln Thargensen
The Scope
Gallente Federation
302
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Posted - 2013.11.20 15:19:00 -
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well I must say I was shocked to see the stratios thread is exactly the same as the astero thread.
freelance space bum |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
Casoff
1825
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Posted - 2013.11.20 15:22:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:It does make sense, they aren't T2 vessels specialized in the use of a covert ops cloak.
In fact, they are the only T1 vessels (faction or otherwise) that can use them at all.
Pretty much. OP, remember that pirate faction ships are meant to be better than T1 and navy faction, but less specialised than T2 |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4857
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Posted - 2013.11.20 15:23:00 -
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Frankly, I'm not really seeing a reason to shorten it.
You don't want to step on the toes of T2 vessels specialized in the use of covert ops cloaks.
For exploration you don't really need to recloak immediately, unless you've completely screwed things up.
If you're moving through hostile territory you just need to be a little patient when you jump through into a gate camp.
So not really seeing a compelling argument to change it.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors.
If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Skeln Thargensen
The Scope
Gallente Federation
302
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Posted - 2013.11.20 15:26:00 -
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it's just a better way to nerf it for PvP than taking away DPS or tank. compared to the bombers the SoE ships can actually stand up in a fight. the bomber and coops need to be able to gtfo because they really can't.
freelance space bum |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17449
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Posted - 2013.11.20 15:27:00 -
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Because it is not a covops ship.
Also see the parallel thread for the exact same question.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Trii Seo
Sabotage Incorporated
Executive Outcomes
304
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Posted - 2013.11.20 15:31:00 -
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Bombers (especially Assbombers) and some recons (Hello, my name is Pilgrim, if you wondered where did your cap go - it was delicious!) can pack a surprisingly nasty kick in combat. Not to mention some have the ungodly ability to prevent things from running away as they light the cyno and unleash the monkeys.
That said, having a 30s recloak delay isn't much of a nerf. It just forces you not to be terrible, especially in a Stratios. Astero may be on the shorter end of the stick here, being a frigate and being at its destination much, much faster.
Is it Hotdrop O'Clock yet?
Covert pilots unite! Safer working conditions, less accidental limb loss due to unfortunate Cyno accidents!
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=258986 |
Solstice Project
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
4610
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Posted - 2013.11.20 15:50:00 -
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CannonFodder82 wrote:Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Posting in a "gimmie OP win button" thread...
not the case at all, its an exploration ship, and waiting 30 seconds to re-cloak after uncloaking is far too long, but cheers for showing your intelligence, or lack of it anyways Hey pot!
Meet kettle! |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family
Advent of Fate
309
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Posted - 2013.11.20 16:18:00 -
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I believe my corp had the first PVP loss of this ship (according to Mittani) and the loss was to a gate camp due to this cloak reactivation delay. TS became a far happier place (apart from one pilot) as we discussed cloaking delays and everyone started playing around with vaious cov ops ships to more exactly understand the mechanics.
i am glad it wasn't my SOE ships that learnt this lesson the hard way but for the sake of future hilarity could you all stop drawing attention to the cloak delay feature as you will lower the amount of fun to be had from ignorance + gate camps.
here is a list of all the fiat currencies that didn't end up at zero value.....and here is a list of the places where a currency pegged to a real commodity has successfully co-existed with compound interest....-á Here is a physics professor explaining why sustainable growth isn't a thing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4858
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Posted - 2013.11.20 16:44:00 -
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Silvetica Dian wrote:I believe my corp had the first PVP loss of this ship (according to Mittani) and the loss was to a gate camp due to this cloak reactivation delay. TS became a far happier place (apart from one pilot) as we discussed cloaking delays and everyone started playing around with vaious cov ops ships to more exactly understand the mechanics.
i am glad it wasn't my SOE ships that learnt this lesson the hard way but for the sake of future hilarity could you all stop drawing attention to the cloak delay feature as you will lower the amount of fun to be had from ignorance + gate camps.
Yeah, for a lot of pilots when they stumble onto a gate camp the last thing they actually think to do is wait... observe... make sure any timers are done.... before they make their move.
It's kind of an iconic feature of EVE compared to other more twitch based games. Here it pays to be calm, cool, and collected when in a hazardous situation (so as to better think your way out of it), where in other games your best bet is to let your reflexes (and creative bunny hopping) be your defense.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors.
If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
403
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Posted - 2013.11.20 16:50:00 -
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woah, so if you uncloak on a gate... jump into a new system, you can get hit by the 30s timer?
Thats ******* terrible and has nothing to do with OMG PVP BALANCE.
Fighting is Magic |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
6265
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Posted - 2013.11.20 16:52:00 -
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Batelle wrote:woah, so if you uncloak on a gate... jump into a new system, you can get hit by the 30s timer?
Thats ******* terrible and has nothing to do with OMG PVP BALANCE.
It's really, really easy to work around.
And it has lots to do with PVP balance.
EVE Online - A Rigged Game |
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
45
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Posted - 2013.11.20 17:48:00 -
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CannonFodder82 wrote:Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Posting in a "gimmie OP win button" thread...
not the case at all, its an exploration ship, and waiting 30 seconds to re-cloak after uncloaking is far too long, but cheers for showing your intelligence, or lack of it anyways
What kind of asshat asks for help then ridicules other people's attempt at helping said person?? Trolls, that's who. And also, characters named OP.
Fly something without that delay?? We should be grateful that the Stratios is capable of fitting a CovOps Cloak in the first place.
Also, your breath stinks and I hate your mom because "you." |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family
Advent of Fate
312
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Posted - 2013.11.20 18:02:00 -
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Batelle wrote:woah, so if you uncloak on a gate... jump into a new system, you can get hit by the 30s timer?
Thats ******* terrible and has nothing to do with OMG PVP BALANCE.
Yes that's exactly how it works.
no need to do any further research on this.
nothing more to see here.
here is a list of all the fiat currencies that didn't end up at zero value.....and here is a list of the places where a currency pegged to a real commodity has successfully co-existed with compound interest....-á Here is a physics professor explaining why sustainable growth isn't a thing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY |
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