Hawk - Shield Booster Effectiveness bonus should be replaced by 4% Shield Resistance bonus to put it in line with Caldari passive shield tanking.

Ishkur - Add Drone Damage to the existing 10% Drone hitpoints bonus to increase DPS.
Enyo - Add Armor Repairer Effectiveness bonus to the Gallente Frigate skill to keep it in line with the Deimos.

Wolf - Add more armor hitpoints OR a bit more PG and/or CPU.
Jaguar - Replace Optimal Range bonus with Shield Booster Effectiveness.

This is a reminder about a thread I opened a couple months ago regarding Assault Frigates and now that Rubicon is done and CCP are working on Rubicon 1.1 I thought it's a good time to bring this up again.

Here's what I suggested back then:



Assault frigates are all cool and perform nicely in the hands of skilled pilots but I honestly feel they're a little messed up.

Original thread here

Ishkur is already pretty good 50% more drone damage would make it the strongest AF by a long shot.
1 less turret slot and 25% drone damage maybe.

also slots reduced to 10 like all the other T2/faction frigs for fairness

also slots reduced to 10 like all the other T2/faction frigs for fairness

Maybe you're not aware but assault frigates were among the very first ships to get rebalanced when CCP started the tiericide. So they've already been done and I'm fairly sure CCP isn't going to touch them for a long time.

Hawk's active tanking bonus should be dropped to 7.5%.

Would potentially break 1v1 frig-pvp though, as AFs in general are barely beatable for a t1 frigate, given both pilots know what they are doing.

The only change worth having I think is swapping the optimal and falloff bonuses on the jag and wolf.

Hawk - The Hawk is an awesome ship as is... why replace the boost bonus?

Enyo - The Enyo is currently amazing... leave it alone.

If you must have a "armor rep bonus" gallente AF, give it to the ishkur in lieu of the +5 drone bay capacity bonus (which is a poor bonus they've been getting rid of).

Jaguar --- This would make the jag in line with the breacher, but would may make this a bit OP.

If you leave the hawk as is, give the Jag & Ishkur active tank bonuses, then you have strong self rep ships in each race. This would be interesting.

Maybe you're not aware but assault frigates were among the very first ships to get rebalanced when CCP started the tiericide. So they've already been done and I'm fairly sure CCP isn't going to touch them for a long time.

Hawk is probably the only caldari subcap to enjoy an active tank bonus instead of shield resistances.



You don't want the enyo to be buffed? now that's a first.



you're way off there.



Try "consistent with Minmatar Style Active Tanking".

One thing you should familiarize yourself with before suggesting changes to ships in EvE online, is the concept of balance.

Hawk: The resist bonus is THE STRONGEST SHIP BONUS CCP gives ships. Putting a resist bonus on a 5-mid, rocket spewing, t2 base resist frigate hull would be over the top. I can already make 15k EHP Harpies, and certainly don't need a rocket version with an extra EWAR slot...

Enyo: Because my 300 dps, 10k EHP, active tanking beast doesn't NEED to be buffed. It already decimates most ships in its class.

Ishkur: They got rid of the +50 drone bay on the Ishtar and instead gave it a static drone bay. To be frank, they should remove all the "+x bay capacity" bonuses, and give these ships a static drone bay in general. This bonus is generally crap. Now, the ishkur is currently middle of the road (where it used to lead the pack). If you left it with a static 50 m3 bay and gave it the "armor rep bonus" it would probably be OP (or close to it). I think this is on the right track, but needs to be appropriately toned.

Jaguar: Same caution I recommend with the Ishkur... CCP wants these ships to be balanced, not omg pwnmobiles. While the optimal range bonus of the jag is moderately "meh" for autocannons (just like the drone bay capacity bonus is pretty meh), an active tank bonus in lie of this mediocre bonus could easily boost this ship too much.

jaguar and ishkur are the ones I feel need some help, the rest is a nice bunch.

Jaguar has good stats and a good slot layout, but suffers from awful damage projection and low base dps.

A 4th gun would be too much I think. Maybe swap the damage bonuses to rof bonuses, up its speed a little bit and maybe even increase the tracking bonus to 10%.

Ishkur... an active tanking bonus does not fit with the creodron set of bonuses. sure the Eos has it, but that's because until rubicon it was a variation of the Brutix which has the active tanking bonus. that is why this bonus fits better with the Enyo, which is supposed to be a baby Deimos.

The enyo and the deimos aren't related. RS builds enyos and DL builds deimoses and they don't talk to eachother about it.

And the ishkur is a variant on a rep bonused ship too.

This is dumb, they're already op. Fix battleships first. Talk about a ship class that is completely useless for the isk you sink into it.

They're already OP? You haven't flown a Jaguar recently have you...

Enyo - 10K EHP ACTIVE TANK? you don't seem to know the definition of "Effective Hit Points".