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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
2609
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Posted - 2013.11.21 16:44:00 -
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Current FW mechanics are broken. I mean, sure, the idea behind everything is great: the more people you have and the more systems you dominate, the more complexes you can complete, and thus win FW for your side (and earn some nice LP/ISK on the side). However, there is a gross oversight: there are two very different fitting/playing styles encouraged, and their meshing only results in frustration for both.
I'm talking, of course, about the fits and tactics required for fighting (a lowsec mechanic) and for capturing plexes with cloaks and warp core stabilizers (a FW mechanic). When these two meet, it inevitably results in a frustrating lose-lose scenario in which neither the PvPer gets the fight he's looking for, nor the FW pilot the LP he's looking for. Thus, I propose this change:
Any ship warping into a FW complex gets some temporary modules: Tactical 'Renegade' Cloaking Device I and 8x Tactical 'Aves' Warp Core Stabilizer I. Some special features of these mods:
- Tactical 'Renegade' Cloaking Device I - Does not reduce speed, like other cloaks do. This is a concession to the FW pilots, who can use this to align.
- Tactical 'Aves' Warp Core Stabilizer I - Does not reduce targeting range. This is a concession to those looking for good class-limited fights inside FW complexes, and is a nerf to the blob.
- These modules should not be available on the market, and disappear off your ship as soon as you leave the FW complex.
This change would put everyone on the same level, allowing for more interesting gameplay surrounding FW complexes. I know there are literally hundreds (if not thousands) of FW pilots who would rejoice at not having to fit cloaks and WCS to their ships anymore, so... who's with me??
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
Turing Tested
1066
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Posted - 2013.11.21 16:48:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote: bzzt bzt bbzzzzzzt bbzzt
TL;DR
First World War too hard
Make better trenches and moar artillery please
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Daoa Hakoke
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2013.11.21 16:49:00 -
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Impressive troll you almost sound serious about the fact people would be happy about it. To exclude the farmersof course.
PS: posting from my phone sorry for spelling and grammar mistakes. |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
1968
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Posted - 2013.11.21 16:49:00 -
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You are, quite literally, the worst person ever.
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Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q
Iron Oxide.
97
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Posted - 2013.11.21 16:50:00 -
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I seriously can't tell if you're just trolling too hard or really mean it.
If you don't get a fight from a farmer pig, move on. No matter what CCP change, people will find a way to abuse it. Just let go man, it makes life in FW space so much easier.
pew pew |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
1968
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Posted - 2013.11.21 16:50:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote: bzzt bzt bbzzzzzzt bbzzt TL;DR First World War too hard Make better trenches and moar artillery please
You are, quite literally, the best person ever.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
Turing Tested
1066
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Posted - 2013.11.21 16:55:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:
You are, quite literally, the best person ever.
Thank you my dear, and thank you for the like that has made my counter hit 1066 lol
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
2609
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Posted - 2013.11.21 16:56:00 -
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Zen Guerrilla wrote:I seriously can't tell if you're just trolling too hard or really mean it.
If you don't get a fight from a farmer pig, move on. No matter what CCP change, people will find a way to abuse it. Just let go man, it makes life in FW space so much easier.
If we all looked the other way from problems, nothing would ever get fixed. Do you really think it's fair that in order to play FW like CCP intends it, you have to make the huge fitting trade-offs of putting a cloak and WCS on your ship? It literally makes your ship useless. I have the utmost respect for the folks who take this difficult route, but doesn't it seem silly for CCP to force these fittings on people? It's just about as absurd as forcing mining ships to fit for max yield, which makes them unable to tank or do anything else. CCP saw and fixed that problem, so I'm hoping they will improve FW by enacting my proposed change.
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acemastr Ocer
Enlightened Industries
Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.11.21 16:59:00 -
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So now you want to make it literally impossible for those of us who roam around looking for FW idiots who don't warp quick enough to shoot?
It's difficult enough as it is. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
Turing Tested
1066
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Posted - 2013.11.21 16:59:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote: Do you really think it's fair that in order to play FW like CCP intends it....
THIS is what is the main flaw with your idea
The rest of your solution just compounds the "problems" that you believe you have identified
Honestly, was my original comment too obscure?
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
2609
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Posted - 2013.11.21 17:00:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote: Do you really think it's fair that in order to play FW like CCP intends it.... THIS is what is the main flaw with your idea The rest of your solution just compounds the "problems" that you believe you have identified Honestly, was my original comment too obscure?
Are you implying CCP did not intend cloaks/WCSes to be a core mechanic of FW? Where did you get that idea?
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Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
730
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Posted - 2013.11.21 17:04:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Tactical 'Renegade' Cloaking Device I - Does not reduce speed, like other cloaks do. This is a concession to the FW pilots, who can use this to align.
Tactical 'Aves' Warp Core Stabilizer I - Does not reduce targeting range. This is a concession to those looking for good class-limited fights inside FW complexes, and is a nerf to the blob.
Actually.... I think ships with cloaks and warpcore stabs should be locked out of entering the complexes, in the first place.
Nobody is going to buff cloaks and stabs, dude. They already work as intended. Your idea is bad and you should be ashamed of yourself.
Learn to defend yourself. Stand and fight. Losing a T1 frigate is like getting slapped by a baby.
That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate
WHY so Seri0Us
2603
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Posted - 2013.11.21 17:05:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Thank you my dear, and thank you for the like that has made my counter hit 1066 lol
Inb4 power struggle for the English throne
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
2611
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Posted - 2013.11.21 17:07:00 -
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Jarod Garamonde wrote:Learn to defend yourself. Stand and fight. Losing a T1 frigate is like getting slapped by a baby.
That is exactly the point of this change: freeing people from the tyranny of having to fit a cloak and WCS to participate in FW. Just think: everyone in complexes with real fits that are not completely crippled by having to fit modules mandatory for FW efficacy.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
Turing Tested
1068
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Posted - 2013.11.21 17:10:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Are you implying CCP did not intend cloaks/WCSes to be a core mechanic of FW? Where did you get that idea?
Im not implying anything, Im telling you
CCP don't "intend" you to do anything but use your brain to work around a problem.
If you think they created an exhaustive list of solutions for every single challenge a pilot could face, you are sadly mistaken
Petrus Blackshell wrote: freeing people from the tyranny of having to fit a cloak and WCS to participate in FW.
Tyranny?! Yeah so so hard to fit two modules
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Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
730
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Posted - 2013.11.21 17:12:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Jarod Garamonde wrote:Learn to defend yourself. Stand and fight. Losing a T1 frigate is like getting slapped by a baby. That is exactly the point of this change: freeing people from the tyranny of having to fit a cloak and WCS to participate in FW. Just think: everyone in complexes with real fits that are not completely crippled by having to fit modules mandatory for FW efficacy.
You missed my point. Stand and fight. Not beg for things to be automatically placed on your ship to avoid being caught.
You don't get to have immunity. Ideas like yours are not only stupid, but we are all now stupider for having read your brainless drivel.
Assemble a fleet of at least ten, and defend your complex. When I was in Fallujah, we didn't run away when the insurgents showed up... we dug in and shot them in the face.
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ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate
WHY so Seri0Us
2603
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Posted - 2013.11.21 17:12:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:That is exactly the point of this change: freeing people from the tyranny of having to fit a cloak and WCS to participate in FW. Just think: everyone in complexes with real fits that are not completely crippled by having to fit modules mandatory for FW efficacy.
EDIT: Nvm, that made no sense.
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
2611
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Posted - 2013.11.21 17:18:00 -
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Jarod Garamonde wrote:Assemble a fleet of at least ten, and defend your complex. When I was in Fallujah, we didn't run away when the insurgents showed up... we dug in and shot them in the face.
And to do this you had weapons in addition to your camo gear, yes? That is what this idea enables: using combat fits in combination with how CCP intends FW to be played.
Ramona McCandless wrote:Tyranny?! Yeah so so hard to fit two modules
When they completely cripple your ability to defend yourself, yeah. Did you even read the special notes on what these modules do?
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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
1969
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Posted - 2013.11.21 17:19:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Jarod Garamonde wrote:Learn to defend yourself. Stand and fight. Losing a T1 frigate is like getting slapped by a baby. That is exactly the point of this change: freeing people from the tyranny of having to fit a cloak and WCS to participate in FW. Just think: everyone in complexes with real fits that are not completely crippled by having to fit modules mandatory for FW efficacy.
Next you're going to be passing out red and blue pills.
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Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
731
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Posted - 2013.11.21 17:19:00 -
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ElQuirko wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:That is exactly the point of this change: freeing people from the tyranny of having to fit a cloak and WCS to participate in FW. Just think: everyone in complexes with real fits that are not completely crippled by having to fit modules mandatory for FW efficacy.
EDIT: Nvm, that made no sense.
It's pointless to even talk to this guy. Either he's trolling, or he really does just want a ship that can naturally cloak, and is naturally immune to interdiction, with none of the drawbacks of either module.
The entire point of a WarpStab is that you should be forced to sacrifice a slot, and have your ability to target and fight drastically reduced. It is working as intended.
You want a ship with natural warpstabs, fit a BattleVenture. I do it all the damn time. Check my killboard stats. SMERG can wreak some serious havoc with a Venture fleet.
That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
1969
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Posted - 2013.11.21 17:20:00 -
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Jarod Garamonde wrote: When I was in Fallujah, we didn't run away when the insurgents showed up... we dug in and shot them in the face.
When I was in Fallujah, we shot Ventures with Feroxes. It was fun.
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Inquisitor Ageri
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
66
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Posted - 2013.11.21 17:22:00 -
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TLDR
Another "My Take on FW" thread belongs either in:
--> Warfare & Tactics
or --> Features & Ideas Discussion
But both will probably also tell you to go elsewhere because no-one wants to read another brainfart in bulletpoints about the issue. |
Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
731
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Posted - 2013.11.21 17:23:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Jarod Garamonde wrote:Assemble a fleet of at least ten, and defend your complex. When I was in Fallujah, we didn't run away when the insurgents showed up... we dug in and shot them in the face. And to do this you had weapons in addition to your camo gear, yes? That is what this idea enables: using combat fits in combination with how CCP intends FW to be played.
CCP intended for you to fit stabs and cloaks to your beacon orbiter?
Oh, sure they did... that's why progress doesn't halt when you cloak or warp away.... oh, wait.
Also, you obviously know squat about "camo gear". That crap does no good in urban settings. We might as well have gone out in Gay Pride Parade costumes along with our body armor and M4's. Now that I think about it, that would have been awesome....
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
7511
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Posted - 2013.11.21 17:24:00 -
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While peanut butter and chocolate do indeed make a delicious combination....
F&I and GD do not.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
Turing Tested
1068
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Posted - 2013.11.21 17:24:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:
When they completely cripple your ability to defend yourself, yeah. Did you even read the special notes on what these modules do?
What
"special notes"
You mean the item description?
*insert barbed sarcasm here*
How does what you have just said change ANYTHING I have said?
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Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
731
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Posted - 2013.11.21 17:24:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:Jarod Garamonde wrote: When I was in Fallujah, we didn't run away when the insurgents showed up... we dug in and shot them in the face. When I was in Fallujah, we shot Ventures with Feroxes. It was fun.
I shoot EVERYTHING with my Ferox. Thanks for cherrypicking one of my mundane kills.
Did you bother to look at the time when I killed a Navy Vexor with a Venture?
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
Turing Tested
1068
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Posted - 2013.11.21 17:25:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:Jarod Garamonde wrote: When I was in Fallujah, we didn't run away when the insurgents showed up... we dug in and shot them in the face. When I was in Fallujah, we shot Ventures with Feroxes. It was fun.
When I was in Fallujah, I discovered that natural rubber is much better than synthetic rubber
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
2611
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Posted - 2013.11.21 17:27:00 -
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Jarod Garamonde wrote:CCP intended for you to fit stabs and cloaks to your beacon orbiter?
Oh, sure they did... that's why progress doesn't halt when you cloak or warp away.... oh, wait.
They intended it because there are no penalties for desertion or hiding beyond the "penalty" of not being there in the first place. If you run away from a mission, the penalty is the NPCs regenerate their hit points and you wasted time. That is an incentive to not cloak/leave. Plex-capping not progressing when you're not there is not a penalty. It's just common sense.
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Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
731
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Posted - 2013.11.21 17:30:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Jarod Garamonde wrote:CCP intended for you to fit stabs and cloaks to your beacon orbiter?
Oh, sure they did... that's why progress doesn't halt when you cloak or warp away.... oh, wait.
They intended it because there are no penalties for desertion or hiding beyond the "penalty" of not being there in the first place. If you run away from a mission, the penalty is the NPCs regenerate their hit points and you wasted time. That is an incentive to not cloak/leave. Plex-capping not progressing when you're not there is not a penalty. It's just common sense.
Well, there SHOULD be a penalty for abandoning your post.
You should feel ashamed of yourself for doing so. But not as ashamed of yourself as you should feel for making this thread.
Please contract me all your stuff, send Ramona your ISK, and biomass. Go play Aion or The Sims.
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Bischopt
Arbitrary Repossession
384
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Posted - 2013.11.21 17:31:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote: Do you really think it's fair that in order to play FW like CCP intends it.... THIS is what is the main flaw with your idea The rest of your solution just compounds the "problems" that you believe you have identified Honestly, was my original comment too obscure? Are you implying CCP did not intend cloaks/WCSes to be a core mechanic of FW? Where did you get that idea?
How is anyone still taking this seriously? Obvious troll is obvious, people! C'mon!
Seriously though, FW is bad. It's not about which side has the better fighters or the wealth. It's about which side has the LP farmers on it. The side with the farmers "wins" until it becomes more profitable to farm LP on the other side. And so we get the cycles most FW pilots are perfectly familiar with. |
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