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TheSmokingHertog
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Posted - 2013.11.23 05:40:00 -
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Before reading the replies of others, my first thoughts;
If we would choose the CSM option, my trading alts need the option to place an order as Secure or as Margin traded. So it would require an option that you have to select.
Like others said before, this could also be done by reimbursting the Margin Trade skill and offer anyone this choice, it would even out the playing field. |
TheSmokingHertog
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Posted - 2013.11.23 06:01:00 -
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Noriko Mai wrote:Gizznitt Malikite wrote:What if CCP just told everyone that buy orders are NOT GUARANTEED.... Why should a buy order be not guaranteed? It's one thing if you are late and someone else filled it, but if you are in time and can't sell because of some ingame mechanics... I think at least the minimum volume or 24% (the higher of this two) must be guaranteed.
Do you know that a lot of manufacturers get payed after the sale in the store itself, or even 90 days after the sale of an item? ... so that can be weeks / months after final construction. So 'buy' orders from those manufacturers are all filled by people who have no guarantees at the moment of a default by the retailer. None. (An example is DELL).
Those industrialists trust the buy orders, because of research (Balance Ratio's, Stock price, Ratings) ... just like you can do in EVE. Trading is a risky business, dont go into it blind. No change would be needed to the current system.
Helping inexperienced people is another matter entirely. Showing them that margin traded orders are around would not be a problem in my view.
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TheSmokingHertog
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Posted - 2013.11.23 06:12:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash wrote:Instead of cancelling the order, can you just hide it while the buyer doesn't have enough money to cover buying the minimum volume? A hidden order will not be visible in the market window, and won't be attempted to be sold to. When the buyer acquires enough ISK to cover the minimum quantity, the order will appear again.
This does nothing to legitimate traders, as your order is only hidden while you wouldn't be able to utilize it anyway. Even better, your order won't be cancelled and you won't lose broker fees if you temporarily run out of money and someone tries to sell to you. Scams would be obviously eliminated.
I agree that scams using deceit, misplaced trust or false advertising are okay. Scams using faults of deficient UI are bad. (And the correct solution is not to hand out bans, but to fix the UI problems in the first place.)
"Don't count on the order being displayed being there tomorrow" (or in an hour) is a good rule. "Don't count on the order being displayed being there *now*" is bad UI.
But consider that the "hidden" orders then still would use up Order Slots on your characters account. |
TheSmokingHertog
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Posted - 2013.11.23 06:52:00 -
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Xqpvqsvs Qr'atyuqink wrote:...
And this is the best way to do it, well maybe except of fix where u are placing exact amount of isk into order u are creating. Its simple and easy to understand. Every other way will be time consuming and wont work as good. Reason is simple - world just doesny work like margin trading skill. ...
The world works exactly like this.
Banks work with 'Leverage' on loans, on inter-banking loans, etc. Its how the world is financed.
Another example of this in RL is Corporations on the end of supply chains who 'Leverage' risks by moving the risk to the manufacturers in the world. The bigger the retailer, the higher the Leverage they put on their debt. Think a Wall-Markt, DELL, Amazon, etc. |
TheSmokingHertog
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Posted - 2013.11.25 21:13:00 -
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TheMercenaryKing wrote:How about marking the order as red text in the market UI and selling/buying to the next order.
No, I always want to decide myself if the bid price on the product is worth my while.
Besides that, this would urge everyone to setup market scams to get cheap product, setup ALT A with an order that has a high price, completely drained of escrow based on margin trading mechanics and then setup an order with ALT B on half price, to scoop up the sales. |
TheSmokingHertog
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Posted - 2013.11.27 05:39:00 -
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Cant we get an updated CSM / CCP view by now? |
TheSmokingHertog
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Posted - 2013.11.27 11:17:00 -
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Dav Varan wrote:.Failure to pay your Trader bills blats your MT skill back to lvl 0.
or
.Remove the skill entirely and re-reimburse
or
.Make escrow percentage based on standings*
*Standing to corp which own the station at which the order is to be placed ( MT only allowed at npc owned stations )
failure to pay hits standings hard
e.g. escrow percentage = 3%* MT lvl * Standing min 0 max 95
Aha, to point 1; so I can kill my competitor by stocking up and hitting his buys a few times a month. Nice to know. Killing his skill and standings (if you count 2 in)
To point 2; the leverage reached by margin trading should be general, not just High Sec, if you want to change it, make it for non-high sec, people then can take the risk for themselves. What would reach the goal; safe noobs.
Having standings influence your maximal Escrow is a very good idea. Lets do that. |
TheSmokingHertog
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Posted - 2013.11.28 10:46:00 -
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Dav Varan wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Drab Cane wrote:Right now, we take it for granted that the order will be filled. This right here is the problem. Nowhere does anything in the game suggest you make that assumption. Incorrect. Placing buy orders on the market suggests this. Unitl a player trains MT which is some time into most players game experiance.
Incorrect, for PVP oriented people that is.
Have all trading alts trained up to LVL V.
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TheSmokingHertog
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Posted - 2014.01.27 01:22:00 -
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I agree, bumping for a good cause. |
TheSmokingHertog
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Posted - 2014.02.01 15:18:00 -
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Bump. |
TheSmokingHertog
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Posted - 2014.02.14 02:57:00 -
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Bump |
TheSmokingHertog
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Posted - 2014.02.25 06:36:00 -
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Bump |
TheSmokingHertog
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Posted - 2014.02.25 22:10:00 -
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A market reputation column would be very welcome. |
TheSmokingHertog
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Posted - 2014.03.04 16:01:00 -
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Alexia Marhx wrote:Ludacrys wrote:Dont cancel the orders that cant cover a minimum quantity buy, "pause" them, meaning they are not showed in the market interface until the wallet has enough money to cover a minimum quantity buy again, then they are shown again
This way no false information is displayed on the market and the legitimate traders dont lose any functionality at all That's one of the best ideas so far! 
And that way the Margin trading scam still works, I like it. |
TheSmokingHertog
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Posted - 2014.03.12 19:23:00 -
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Bump |
TheSmokingHertog
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Posted - 2014.04.04 02:31:00 -
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@ Psychoactive Stimulant
We should start a thread with links to threads that still have no answers ;)... :D |
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