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Egravant Alduin
republic fleet battle support
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Posted - 2013.11.21 19:04:00 -
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Hi guys,
I m training all basic skills for marauders and when I m gonna finish I should choose one marauder to train for.I m doing level 4 missions in republic fleet services mostly so I m dealing with angels,guristas,amarr etc...What ship you recommend me to train for since i have very good missile skills,mediocre projectile turret none of the other guns.I want the most effective isk/hour ship since I think golem isn't the one cause of slow cruises cycle times.Thank you. |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
1709
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Posted - 2013.11.21 19:10:00 -
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Vargur. You've got the selectable damage type, the minimal shield tank, the plethora of gank... yeah, just do that. |
Ira Kin Mayaki
Perpetual Podding
1
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Posted - 2013.11.21 19:12:00 -
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Golem ftw.
Selectable damage types
Missiles always deal the same amount of damage so no need to worry for range
Can tank enough for any mission
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Thaddeus Eggeras
TwoTenX
LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
105
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Posted - 2013.11.21 19:15:00 -
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Golem - Dory
High -
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Bastion Mode I
Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I
Salvager II
Small Tractor Beam II
Medium -
Pith C-Type Large Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Amplifier II
Target Painter II
Target Painter II
Low -
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Rig -
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Drones -
x5 Hobgoblin II
x5 Warrior II
x5 Salvage Drone I
Cargo -
x12800 Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Mobile Tractor Unit
1001 DPS
Able to hit anything within 118km
Will usually pop cruisers and frigates in one shot
Over 8mins of cap time
Mobile tractor unit for those long to reach wrecks
Tank is 900 plus every 3.2secs
Anything not T2 is because it is Meta 4 and does better then it's T2 brother, or because the bastion only has a I one version.
Fit cost way under 1.5bil |
hellcane
Never Back Down
100
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Posted - 2013.11.21 19:26:00 -
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^ drop an invuln for an MWD(and stop counting drone DPS) and you have an almost perfect cruise setup |
Thaddeus Eggeras
TwoTenX
LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
105
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Posted - 2013.11.21 20:11:00 -
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You don't need a MWD with a ship able to hit 118km and a tractor that goes 125km. And you do count drone damage as I do use my drones on frigates within 15km. Perfect Gloem done and done |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
441
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Posted - 2013.11.21 20:14:00 -
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have people (finally) given up on using torp golems?
Fighting is Magic |
hellcane
Never Back Down
100
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Posted - 2013.11.21 20:27:00 -
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Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:You don't need a MWD with a ship able to hit 118km and a tractor that goes 125km. And you do count drone damage as I do use my drones on frigates within 15km. Perfect Gloem done and done
I guess going 100m/s while traveling 30km to the gate in say worlds collide is good.
Or
You take away the unnecessary tank and have the speed if/when you need it.
Adding drone DPS is just a way to inflate your #s. Nothing more. Just like mach EFT warriors adding sentry DPS |
Aurellius Healey
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.11.21 20:56:00 -
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hellcane wrote:Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:You don't need a MWD with a ship able to hit 118km and a tractor that goes 125km. And you do count drone damage as I do use my drones on frigates within 15km. Perfect Gloem done and done I guess going 100m/s while traveling 30km to the gate in say worlds collide is good. Or You take away the unnecessary tank and have the speed if/when you need it. Adding drone DPS is just a way to inflate your #s. Nothing more. Just like mach EFT warriors adding sentry DPS
There's this cool new item called 'Mobile Depot' that takes the length of 1 bastion cycle to online and it allows you to refit in space. So just carry all possible fittings in your cargo and switch as needed. Making fitting tradeoffs in station is pointless now. |
hellcane
Never Back Down
100
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Posted - 2013.11.21 20:58:00 -
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Just because a thing exists, doesn't mean you need to use it when there isn't a tradeoff by losing an invuln for a MWD. |
Thaddeus Eggeras
TwoTenX
LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
105
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Posted - 2013.11.21 21:20:00 -
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There is also this cool thing called having ISK. And having more then one PvE ship. I pick between a Tengu, Rattlesnake and Golem depending on mission. And even the gate being 30km doesn't take that long, I know A.D.D. is rough but try to have patience just once. I know I know time = ISK, but as I don't make ISK doing missions (too slow) I do missions while I'm stuck in high sec from a clone jump OR to help others. To be honest I don't even salv, I just let others who want to do it do it, I know I'm terrible. But even if I did I won't put a MWD or MJD or AB on my Golem or RS, no need 30km really doesn't take long even slow boating and if it's a mission that that gates or etc is far then Tengu you are up. Best way is if the gate is 30km or so slow boat while fighting, when I get to gate bastion up, kill kill kill, bastion down and jump. Have options people, makes it more fun, and is always a good idea. No MWD on Golem or Rattlesnake, and just a AB on Tengu. |
I Accidentally YourShip
My Other Capital Ship is Your Mom
184
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Posted - 2013.11.21 21:41:00 -
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Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:Golem - Dory
High -
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Bastion Mode I
Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I
Salvager II
Small Tractor Beam II
Medium -
Pith C-Type Large Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Amplifier II
Target Painter II
Target Painter II
Low -
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Rig -
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Drones -
x5 Hobgoblin II
x5 Warrior II
x5 Salvage Drone I
Cargo -
x12800 Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Mobile Tractor Unit
1001 DPS
Able to hit anything within 118km
Will usually pop cruisers and frigates in one shot
Over 8mins of cap time
Mobile tractor unit for those long to reach wrecks
Tank is 900 plus every 3.2secs
Anything not T2 is because it is Meta 4 and does better then it's T2 brother, or because the bastion only has a I one version.
Fit cost way under 1.5bil
Holy dicks this is so overtanked. Medium boosters are for lazys, L2cap control.
[Golem, Golemderp]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Gist B-Type Large Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Target Painter II
Target Painter II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Bastion Module I
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
5m 27s of cap with a burst tank of 368, plenty enough to burn to where you need to and get into bastion if necessary. Bastion the tank pushes 983. You have enough cargo to use cap boosters for even the longest of missions.
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hellcane
Never Back Down
100
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Posted - 2013.11.21 22:04:00 -
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Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:There is also this cool thing called having ISK. And having more then one PvE ship. I pick between a Tengu, Rattlesnake and Golem depending on mission. And even the gate being 30km doesn't take that long, I know A.D.D. is rough but try to have patience just once. I know I know time = ISK, But even if I did I won't put a MWD or MJD or AB on my Golem or RS, no need 30km really doesn't take long even slow boating. Have options people, makes it more fun, and is always a good idea.
So....all you have left is attempts at personal attacks to support your opinion? |
Thaddeus Eggeras
TwoTenX
LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
105
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Posted - 2013.11.21 22:13:00 -
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First I will keep my large booster, so suck it!
Second sorry for personal attacks, I'm trying to be funny and stuff and forgot it's hard through a computer, my bad. And if I ever meet any of you, you can kick me in the balls, promise.
OH SQUIRREL!!!
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hellcane
Never Back Down
100
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Posted - 2013.11.21 22:17:00 -
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Its all good. Definitely hard to tell sometimes, especially with the influx of youngins in the last few years putting people(me included) on the defensive.
Options are good, I just hate to put more than 500 tank on something because I used to tank the entire EA5 room with a 500 tank vargur. Plus, I still have my eyes on torp golem which IMO needs the MWD. Cruise golem can fire while slow boating something like WC and have everything dead by the time it hits the gate. Which makes the MWD definitely much less attractive. |
Thaddeus Eggeras
TwoTenX
LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
105
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Posted - 2013.11.21 22:20:00 -
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First off i'm 30 and deployed to Afgan, my MOs is 11B (Infantry) so what you said about being young isn't true, but is true on how old I act.. Point to you good sir. Second off, well I don't have a second off so point to you again. Well played good sir, well played! |
hellcane
Never Back Down
100
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Posted - 2013.11.21 22:25:00 -
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That was not pointed at you, I apologize if it seemed so. It was directed at the folks who argue by basically throwing an e-tantrum |
Thaddeus Eggeras
TwoTenX
LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
105
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Posted - 2013.11.21 22:25:00 -
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God I wish I was drunk |
hellcane
Never Back Down
100
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Posted - 2013.11.21 22:26:00 -
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30 minutes of work left. Gotta love paperwork days |
Thaddeus Eggeras
TwoTenX
LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
105
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Posted - 2013.11.21 22:32:00 -
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Not fair I work 12 hours to 14 hours everyday 7 days a week, only fix I get for EVE is EVE Gate and forums. Afgan it's 2013 get with the times geez |
Egravant Alduin
republic fleet battle support
22
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Posted - 2013.11.22 10:38:00 -
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So most of you suggest golem and some vargur.No paladin or kronos.I ll go for golem and I hope it s good. |
Anize Oramara
S T R A T C O M
Critical-Mass
72
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Posted - 2013.11.22 10:54:00 -
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vargur against angels, merc and serp, golem against anything, kronus against serp and merc, paladin against sansha, blood and drones.
also the golems here are so horrendously overtanked I'm not sure of I should cry or laugh. |
ChromeStriker
The Riot Formation
Fatal Ascension
610
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Posted - 2013.11.22 11:20:00 -
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[Golem, PvE]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Large Micro Jump Drive
Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 150
Target Painter II
Target Painter II
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Bastion Module I
Salvager II
Salvager II
Salvager II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Warrior II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
Light Armor Maintenance Bot I x1
Warrior II x4
Pop 100k away n shoot away, plenty of tank for almost any Lv 4 at that range (you could even use bastion for even more/ add more tank for harder sites). If you have specific rats you can use the correct hardeners.
MWD for usefullness (swap for tank if you want)... with the rigs and TPs your more than doubleing the sig of whatever you shoot at.
Drop a tractor unit at the begining of the fight.
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Nulla Curas |
To mare
Advanced Technology
275
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Posted - 2013.11.22 11:45:00 -
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golem is the good all arounder
vargur is the bad all arounder
paladin with bastion is the best one if you fight EM weak rats
kronos its another very good one with bastion kind of limited by its damage type but very good if you use where the rats are weak to kin/th |
Gimme more Cynos
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
82
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Posted - 2013.11.22 12:07:00 -
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I Accidentally YourShip wrote:Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:Golem - Dory
High -
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Bastion Mode I
Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I
Salvager II
Small Tractor Beam II
Medium -
Pith C-Type Large Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Amplifier II
Target Painter II
Target Painter II
Low -
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Rig -
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Drones -
x5 Hobgoblin II
x5 Warrior II
x5 Salvage Drone I
Cargo -
x12800 Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Mobile Tractor Unit
1001 DPS
Able to hit anything within 118km
Will usually pop cruisers and frigates in one shot
Over 8mins of cap time
Mobile tractor unit for those long to reach wrecks
Tank is 900 plus every 3.2secs
Anything not T2 is because it is Meta 4 and does better then it's T2 brother, or because the bastion only has a I one version.
Fit cost way under 1.5bil Holy dicks this is so overtanked. Medium boosters are for lazys, L2cap control. [Golem, Golemderp] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Gist B-Type Large Shield Booster Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Target Painter II Target Painter II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Bastion Module I Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II 5m 27s of cap with a burst tank of 368, plenty enough to burn to where you need to and get into bastion if necessary. Bastion the tank pushes 983. You have enough cargo to use cap boosters for even the longest of missions. The b-type LSB is only 250ish, slightly more than double the medium booster. If you can't somehow afford an additional 100m for a booster that performs much better with a cap booster then you probably shouldn't be flying a golem. The fit is still very cheap.
Failfit is fail. Cap-booster on a golem paired with a Large SB, while talking about overtanking. Hilarious :D Made my Day. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction
The Pursuit of Happiness
825
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Posted - 2013.11.22 12:15:00 -
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Egravant Alduin wrote:So most of you suggest golem and some vargur.No paladin or kronos.I ll go for golem and I hope it s good.
I have all (except kronos) and for level 4 the paladin is by FAR the most efficient (just stick tachyons )
"If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise
Fatal Ascension
598
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Posted - 2013.11.22 12:22:00 -
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hellcane wrote:Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:You don't need a MWD with a ship able to hit 118km and a tractor that goes 125km. And you do count drone damage as I do use my drones on frigates within 15km. Perfect Gloem done and done I guess going 100m/s while traveling 30km to the gate in say worlds collide is good. Or You take away the unnecessary tank and have the speed if/when you need it. Adding drone DPS is just a way to inflate your #s. Nothing more. Just like mach EFT warriors adding sentry DPS
No really, you just jump away blast the pocket and jump back a minute later.
There is rarely a reason to slow bloat anywhere if you use just a ~little~ bit of forethought and/or don't screw up and hit the MJD when you are aligned in the wrong direction.....as an added bonus auto-targeters go something like 215km, so you can carry a few to basically pull baddies that start outside of lock range.
and its perfectly valid to use drone DPS, there are a large number of missions that you can basically blast off a couple elite frigs and they turn loose your lights and ignore everything smaller than a cruiser, while you are clearing off big things, that is one of the techniques that I use on AE for that matter, full spawn the pocket MJD off release the drones and start with the big stuff and work my way down.
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Gimme more Cynos
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
82
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Posted - 2013.11.22 13:42:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Egravant Alduin wrote:So most of you suggest golem and some vargur.No paladin or kronos.I ll go for golem and I hope it s good. I have all (except kronos) and for level 4 the paladin is by FAR the most efficient (just stick tachyons )
Until it meets Minmatar or Angels. :D
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Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction
The Pursuit of Happiness
831
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Posted - 2013.11.22 15:01:00 -
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Gimme more Cynos wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:Egravant Alduin wrote:So most of you suggest golem and some vargur.No paladin or kronos.I ll go for golem and I hope it s good. I have all (except kronos) and for level 4 the paladin is by FAR the most efficient (just stick tachyons ) Until it meets Minmatar or Angels. :D
Why would I do that? Just fly for the correct corporation and you will not face angels. Minamtar tank is not same as angels. Some of their battleships have their hole exaclty in EM!!!!
Also .. almost no one flies against empires. Most peopel just refuse those missions sicne they will lock you out of a sector very fast.
"If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Thaddeus Eggeras
TwoTenX
LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
105
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Posted - 2013.11.22 15:40:00 -
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There is little reason to have any type of prop mod on a Golem or Rattlesnake, you can slow boat to the gate while killing and bastion when you get to gate. I have never taken over 10 to 15 minutes for a L4. Everything is about technique.
And I agree ASBs and cap boosters are for PvP, not PvE. And Golem doesn't need a stable tank. I get 8mins, that's more then good enough. Use a med or a large shield booster and you are good to go. As the golem has more then enough PG and CPU I don't see any reason to not use a large shield booster instead of a medium one, as it doesn't effect DPS or the effectiveness of the ship in anyway. Also there is NO such thing as over powered or over tanked, just made up words for people who have little else to do then talk tough through a computer haha. The idea is to make the best tank and have the best DPS you can. I did take one invul off for a third TP, but that was more because I wanted to do the predator 3 dot thing then any other reason haha. |
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