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Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
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Posted - 2013.11.22 16:06:00 -
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Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:There is little reason to have any type of prop mod on a Golem or Rattlesnake, you can slow boat to the gate while killing and bastion when you get to gate. I have never taken over 10 to 15 minutes for a L4. Everything is about technique.
And I agree ASBs and cap boosters are for PvP, not PvE. And Golem doesn't need a stable tank. I get 8mins, that's more then good enough. Use a med or a large shield booster and you are good to go. As the golem has more then enough PG and CPU I don't see any reason to not use a large shield booster instead of a medium one, as it doesn't effect DPS or the effectiveness of the ship in anyway. Also there is NO such thing as over powered or over tanked, just made up words for people who have little else to do then talk tough through a computer haha. The idea is to make the best tank and have the best DPS you can. I did take one invul off for a third TP, but that was more because I wanted to do the predator 3 dot thing then any other reason haha.
Surely there is overtanking.
Using a deadspace tank to run a level 3 mission iIS overtanking. You could simply use no tank and put track computers and damage mods isntead "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |

Thaddeus Eggeras
TwoTenX LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
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Posted - 2013.11.22 16:13:00 -
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If the tank does not effect your DPS, there is no such thing as overtanks. Just as if your DPS doesnt effect your tank, there isnt suc a thing as over kill. |

Ghost Phius
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
147
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Posted - 2013.11.22 21:37:00 -
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The Vargur is a BEAST! |

Thaddeus Eggeras
TwoTenX LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
107
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Posted - 2013.11.22 21:41:00 -
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The Vargur is the only Marauder I haven't seen do bastion mode :^( |

Thaddeus Eggeras
TwoTenX LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
107
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Posted - 2013.11.22 21:45:00 -
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That's bullshit, I just watched the Vargur bastion mode, way cool. ALL the Marauders BUT the Golem look amazing while doing bastion. Golems makes no since and the new golem looks like **** too. FIX IT CCP! |

Gimme more Cynos
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
83
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Posted - 2013.11.22 21:56:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Gimme more Cynos wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:Egravant Alduin wrote:So most of you suggest golem and some vargur.No paladin or kronos.I ll go for golem and I hope it s good. I have all (except kronos) and for level 4 the paladin is by FAR the most efficient (just stick tachyons ) Until it meets Minmatar or Angels. :D Why would I do that? Just fly for the correct corporation and you will not face angels. Minamtar tank is not same as angels. Some of their battleships have their hole exaclty in EM!!!! Also .. almost no one flies against empires. Most peopel just refuse those missions sicne they will lock you out of a sector very fast.
Ok, let's completely ignore that some of the more valuable missions are infact against enemies like Angels and Minmatar (which have some BS's with thick EM-tanks) - How does this affect my point? Paladin suckz ballz against Angels and against some of the matari BS. Calling this "most efficient" is a little - well, it's not accurate.
Paladin is a good ship - no doubt, but it has it's weaknesses. Imho, the Golem doesn't suffer from those - that's why I would say it's easily the best marauder (thanks to it's versatility - it doesn't have these "Oh man, why does it take half an hour to grind through that BS"-moments).
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Syrias Bizniz
Segmentum Solar Nulli Secunda
247
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Posted - 2013.11.22 22:21:00 -
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Okay, here's the fit for a Vargur:
[Vargur, PvE] Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer
X-Large Shield Booster II Large Micro Jump Drive Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L Bastion Module I [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
[empty rig slot] [empty rig slot]
Civilian Mining Drone x15 Mobile Depot x1 Targeting Range Script x3 Scan Resolution Script x3 Optimal Range Script x1 Tracking Speed Script x1 Republic Fleet EMP L x5000 Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L x5000 Republic Fleet Fusion L x5000
Rigs are empty, because, well, fit whatever you want. At Locking Range, you're at 50% Falloff. That means, you hit astonishingly well. You have a Scanres of 600mm with resolution scripts. You have an MJD, that's all the mobility you'll ever need (60 seconds for any distance between 0 and 200km. Practice it.) You have that Mobile Depot with you. And you have tons of spare cargo for Autocannons, Tankmods, Tractorbeams, Salvagers, warpcorestabs, nanofibers, capacitor booster and charges, ... ANYTHING. Civilian Mining Drones, because with a Vargur and MJD i can't see why you would ever have something so close to you that you can actually assign drones to it, or want to wait for the travel time of them.
You accept a mission. You warp there. You go in. You MJD into the spot you want (so that a second MJD Jump will put you on the accel gate). You go Bastion, drop the depot, lock anything and blap it. You refit to whatever you need. You do this with every single pocket and mission. You dock, turn in a mission.
Rinse and Repeat.
Vargur > Paladin/Kronos/Golem.
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Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
833
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Posted - 2013.11.22 23:19:00 -
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Gimme more Cynos wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:Gimme more Cynos wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:Egravant Alduin wrote:So most of you suggest golem and some vargur.No paladin or kronos.I ll go for golem and I hope it s good. I have all (except kronos) and for level 4 the paladin is by FAR the most efficient (just stick tachyons ) Until it meets Minmatar or Angels. :D Why would I do that? Just fly for the correct corporation and you will not face angels. Minamtar tank is not same as angels. Some of their battleships have their hole exaclty in EM!!!! Also .. almost no one flies against empires. Most peopel just refuse those missions sicne they will lock you out of a sector very fast. Ok, let's completely ignore that some of the more valuable missions are infact against enemies like Angels and Minmatar (which have some BS's with thick EM-tanks) - How does this affect my point? Paladin suckz ballz against Angels and against some of the matari BS. Calling this "most efficient" is a little - well, it's not accurate. Paladin is a good ship - no doubt, but it has it's weaknesses. Imho, the Golem doesn't suffer from those - that's why I would say it's easily the best marauder (thanks to it's versatility - it doesn't have these "Oh man, why does it take half an hour to grind through that BS"-moments).
let me be clear again.. I NEVER get ANY missions agaisnt angels. Because i Live in amarr space!!! Goem takes that tiem back while killing frigates that paladin insta pop. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |

Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
1715
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Posted - 2013.11.23 00:01:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:let me be clear again.. I NEVER get ANY missions agaisnt angels. Because i Live in amarr space!!! Goem takes that tiem back while killing frigates that paladin insta pop.
Hm. Just to throw it out: most L4 agents -- even those in Amarr space -- hand out AE. There are individual agents who don't, but I've yet to have seen an entire corporation without it. It's also a pretty decent mission to run if you can rush it like crazy so it's not entirely unreasonable to plan to occasionally have to deal with it.
That said, I've run it in a Nightmare and... yeah, tachs work. It's not ideal but it does work. |

Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
833
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Posted - 2013.11.23 00:17:00 -
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Zhilia Mann wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:let me be clear again.. I NEVER get ANY missions agaisnt angels. Because i Live in amarr space!!! Goem takes that tiem back while killing frigates that paladin insta pop. Hm. Just to throw it out: most L4 agents -- even those in Amarr space -- hand out AE. There are individual agents who don't, but I've yet to have seen an entire corporation without it. It's also a pretty decent mission to run if you can rush it like crazy so it's not entirely unreasonable to plan to occasionally have to deal with it. That said, I've run it in a Nightmare and... yeah, tachs work. It's not ideal but it does work.
I tought was the whole corp. Maybe i got lucky with the agent i selected then. The only mission with angels i get is WC agaisnt angels and sansha... then i just go the sansha route "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |

Thaddeus Eggeras
TwoTenX LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
108
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Posted - 2013.11.23 01:22:00 -
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CCP fix my damn Golem. Kronos looks unreal in and out of bastion, works great too, Paladin looks great in and out of bastion, works great too, Vargur best looking marauder there is and looks cool as hell in bastions too, works good too? Golem looks like ****, bastion doesn't go with it like the others, does work great though. FIX! |

Mer88
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
48
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Posted - 2013.11.23 05:06:00 -
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Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:CCP fix my damn Golem. Kronos looks unreal in and out of bastion, works great too, Paladin looks great in and out of bastion, works great too, Vargur best looking marauder there is and looks cool as hell in bastions too, works good too? Golem looks like ****, bastion doesn't go with it like the others, does work great though. FIX!
why would ccp take advice from someone who thinks vagur is best loooking marauder?
golem is terrible for missions with tons of frigates and cruisers like mordus headhunter, all rogue drone missions (expet attack of the drones), the score and a few others.
also, why would you put rigor in a golem ? you should put t2 rof and a t2 flare and let tp do the rest. your missile will fire at 7.7 sec instead of 8.4.
but personally, torpedo golem is way better especially with bastion. |

Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
116
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Posted - 2013.11.23 13:02:00 -
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Mer88 wrote:Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:CCP fix my damn Golem. Kronos looks unreal in and out of bastion, works great too, Paladin looks great in and out of bastion, works great too, Vargur best looking marauder there is and looks cool as hell in bastions too, works good too? Golem looks like ****, bastion doesn't go with it like the others, does work great though. FIX! why would ccp take advice from someone who thinks vagur is best loooking marauder? HA! If in doubt...do...excessively. |

Gimme more Cynos
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
85
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Posted - 2013.11.23 13:29:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:
let me be clear again.. I NEVER get ANY missions agaisnt angels. Because i Live in amarr space!!! Goem takes that tiem back while killing frigates that paladin insta pop.
I'm missioning since 2 years in Amarr space, and saying that you don't get the occassional Angel extravaganza, dread pirate Scarlet or Enemies Abound (which does have Minmatar BS's with Huge EM/TH tanks) does make you look like a liar.
Furthermore, you can pull all triggers with marauders heavy tank nowadays, and working out how to kill frigs with drones only at the end of the mission is not that hard anymore. Wasting volleys on frigs does seem like a waste to me though.
And again - how das this affect my point? Paladin sucks against angels, even if you might decline all angel-missions. Period. |

Thaddeus Eggeras
TwoTenX LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
108
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Posted - 2013.11.23 15:37:00 -
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Umm Vargusr is the best looking Marauder. Golem doesn't really stuck against any faction, it works well. Get your missile skills up and use TP and you will be good. The Golem just looks like crap now and it's bastion mode looks just as bad. Fix CCP! Again I see you know nothing about missiles or the golem. First rigors always help more then flares, and as the Golem already gets a bonuses to explosion velocity, kinda a better idea to rig it for explosion radius. It also gets over 1070DPS with cruise missiles, not bad at all, only takes 2 at the most to kill nay cruiser or frigates, and 3 for battleships. Cruise are nice because anything within 118km I hit, and my good old mobile tractor beam works to 125km, so I'm good to go. Please LEARN your marauders and missiles first, you just sound CRAZY. :^ 0 |

chaosgrimm
Universal Production and Networking Services
56
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Posted - 2013.11.23 16:20:00 -
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Mer88 wrote:Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:CCP fix my damn Golem. Kronos looks unreal in and out of bastion, works great too, Paladin looks great in and out of bastion, works great too, Vargur best looking marauder there is and looks cool as hell in bastions too, works good too? Golem looks like ****, bastion doesn't go with it like the others, does work great though. FIX! why would ccp take advice from someone who thinks vagur is best loooking marauder? ... Hahaha, so much win xD |
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