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Raid
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Posted - 2006.02.23 15:18:00 -
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Nice to see SA isnt getting distracted by the moving bandwaggon. Keeping their eye on the main objective here which is a dead FIX alliance. The whole idea in brining BOB and the waggon in was so SA would stop attacking FIX. Luckly SA leadership (while anoying most of the time  ) has the good judgment to continue what they started. Kudos for taking on everything but the kitchen sink and still being agressive.
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Posted - 2006.02.23 15:44:00 -
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Edited by: Raid on 23/02/2006 15:48:10
 Originally by: ponieus
Considering any spie would of known excatly what we were doign and would of made any ALL attemps of stoping us from forming probally the biggest capitol ship fleet in game..
Who needs a spy when you're willing to tell everyone what your doing
Edit: just to add.. Stain is al NPC stations... so unless your planning a parade i dont think SA is worried about a fleet of carriers and dreads.
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Posted - 2006.02.23 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher
SirMolle posted this on the forums after we left the North.
I guess you must have missed that announcement.
dbp
Indeed i only have forum ***** up to lvl 4. But as i said in my Edit... SA wouldnt really care about a capital ships fleet when they live in NPC stations. Unless your planning a parade with santa claus at the end SA wouldnt really care.
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Posted - 2006.02.23 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
OMG!
You mean there aren't other alliances out there we can use these ships against?
You know, real alliances with territory and stuff?
The kind that are actually worth taking the time out to fight.
Jeez.
Okay boys, recycle the ships. SA are the only alliance in the game, and they don't want to get involved with high end content.
I refer you to your alliance mates comments...
Originally by: ponieus
Considering any spie would of known excatly what we were doign and would of made any ALL attemps of stoping us from forming probally the biggest capitol ship fleet in game..
Thats what im posting in reply too. I'm not mentioning any other alliances out there. OF COURSE they can be used against anyone. However im replying to thsi particular post refering to SA stoping BOB from forming the largest capital ships fleet.... why would they care?
As for the whole SA doesnt hold real territory... Thats a matter of opinion. You obviously like the industrial side as well as the PVP side. Some people do not and therefore have no reason to hold conquerable stations.
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and they don't want to get involved with high end content.
high end content? You mean everyone NEEDS to fly capital ships? High end content INCLUDES all the new tech2 toys.. capital ships are only used for people who wish to setup or take down POS's or take conquerable stations... and like i said before, everyone plays the game differently. So, please enjoy your "high end" experience.
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Raid
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Posted - 2006.02.23 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Raid, if all the things you say are true (ie, an alliance in 0.0 with nothing to call its own) is still a valid alliance, how do you propose to destroy FIX?
At best all you could do is reduce them to the same level as you, and if you call that defeated, what are SA now?
First im not SA 
Second they have conquerable stations that can be taken away. Diference is SA can live and operate as normal within Stain and have no conquerable assets in space (or at least none that can be seen on the map). Fix on the other had, if reduced to a few corps cannot maintain their conquerable stations from any dedicated enemy. Thats the difference...thats why destroying SA would be so hard vs distroying FIX. SA have nothing to lose but ships and money.. Fix has their stations, their POS's and their region.
AFAIK the onyl real benefits in being in a none NPC region are.
1. Less fuel consumption for POS's.
2. Mothership/Titan production
2. High end minerals in belts.
I must be missing some other benefits here.. what else is there?
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Posted - 2006.02.23 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Recluse XXX
But...there is nothing to defend is it..or am I wrong?? I always thought that the NPCs that actually owned the stations and had sov were defending "their" space. But again, I might be wrong. No smack intended I am just curious on what it is you are defending, is it your right to dock?
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If theres nothing to defend then why would anyone go into stain to shoot SA? Defence isnt just about conquerable assets.. its about your right to exist in that part of space with relative safety.
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Posted - 2006.02.23 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: Recluse XXX
Originally by: Raid
If theres nothing to defend then why would anyone go into stain to shoot SA?
I dont know, I moved in to SA space for 3 days to fight them, the first 2 days were fun but on the 3rd day they started to avoid fights even tho they were outnumbering us. And this is the biggest problem whit an alliance like SA. If they dont want to fight they just stay docked and have nothing to loose by doing that. They dont have any stations to defend, they dont have any outposts and they dont have any POS (anymore ;)).
Any alliance that have these things are forced to undock to actually defend their space and their assests in their space. SA can just log out and wait until the enemy is bored sensless, wait for them to leave and then log back on and claim victory and defenders of their space.
So, I really dont know why anybody would go to SA space to fight them beacuse SA cant be beat, SA have nothing to loose...
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Dont think you understood the point i was trying to make.
If someone doesnt have anything to defend like was being suggested then why would you go into stain region? What are people trying to acomplish?
Two things obviously.
1. Killing members of SA so they lose money and morale.
2. Removing them from the region.
So... now you know of two things that they need to defend. Their money, ships and morale.... as well as the region they live and work in.
For anyone to suggest that SA doesnt have anything real to defend because they dont really live in a real region is just plain wrong.
Those people are the ones that realize how dificult a task they have in front of them. Rather than pushing through and getting on with the fight they simply throw up their hands and cry foul. If your not up to the task then dont declare that you will wipe them out because you only look foolish when you fail.
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Posted - 2006.02.24 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: Blacklight
Now I don't know about you but even with a broom shoved up my behind I would imagine sweeping the floor is a bit difficult when you're doing two other things at the same time
Then why declare that they will be wiped off the face of eve? There were so many BOB guys raising their pitch forks when Molle declared the death of SA and then poof, nothing happened.
Originally by: Blacklight
As it is, I'd still probably rather just ignore Stain than shoot at them, particularly TRIGGER's MASS, but we said we would be over to give them a kicking so that is exactly what we are going to come and do.
If you relly wanted to ignore stain you would have let them have their fun with FIX. I think Molle said that SA would be wiped out and then some bob guys started to wager on how many weeks it would take.. Sounds like more than a "kicking" was planed... unless you guys want to change "wipe them out" to "kick them a bit"...
Originally by: Blacklight
the only opinions about the outcome that will matter will be those that are involved and not those of the spectators in the peanut gallery, yourself included.
/me eats a peanut
The fact that a lot of us arn't involved in the fighting doesnt mean we dont have a point. The propoganda is spilling over the top of this thread and sometimes its nice to have an observer pointing it out.
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Posted - 2006.02.26 07:09:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Majestic
in the spirit of the neutrality
ahhh yes.. the glorious ISS slogan. "we are neutral to everyone let us into 0.0 so we can provide overpriced stuff and charge you for everything".. Maybe some people dont want or need your overated services...
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Posted - 2006.02.26 07:26:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Majestic
Originally by: Raid
ahhh yes.. the glorious ISS slogan. "we are neutral to everyone let us into 0.0 so we can provide overpriced stuff and charge you for everything".. Maybe some people dont want or need your overated services...
Before we came along, someone in Curse who needed gear had two choices: make it, or fly to Empire to buy it. Now they have three choices: make it, fly to Empire, or fly to KDF. It's not like we tie you up and gag you and force you to fly to KDF to take advantage of the opportunity you didn't have before.
J
And what happens when somoene doesnt need or want your services? Should they then set you to neutral simply because "you come in peace"? You sell to everyone, people who dont need to buy stuff from you could view that as selling to enemies... If SA feel that your services are costing them more than its worth they can revoke the nap whenever they want.. Im assuming when they realized there was service charges for using the station they decided it wasnt worthwhile, thats their choice...
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