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Ms Freak
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Posted - 2006.02.23 11:37:00 -
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I lost a Tempest in a lvl 4 mission with one of my other chars - shw has around 8mil SP, minmitar BS lvl 5, gunnry 5, large proj 4 all other gunnerys at 4 shield skills to 4 (not the extended shield comp skills tho - although they are in training and ill train them to at least 3) varios electronics and engineering skills.
The main problem was not taking the damage as i had 3 hardners 2EM and 1 thermal and a large C5L which would regcharge my shield reasonably well the main problem was keeping the tank going. IT would decimate my Cap in no-time.
Yet Ms Freak can armor tank an apoc without ever running out of cap with 6mil SP less due to the fact that she can use caprelays and cap recharges in the mids.
The tempest needs all the mids for hardners and booster - i was alos running an Amp and 4 PD 's (she cant use II's yet but it in the pipeline Soon(tm).
How does everyone else shield tank?? or am i simply better off armor tanking a tempest??
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mrg29
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Posted - 2006.02.23 11:48:00 -
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personally i've always armor tanked a tempest but it does restrict what weapons u can fit due to armor tanking using more pg.
with the amount of sps the character u mention must have invested in spaceship command to have min BS at lvl5 and in gunnery to have everything at lvl4 then that suggests u maybe dont have alot of the support skills in engineering very high out of a total of 8 mill sps.
that might be one reason you have trouble with cap.
comparing tempest to apoc when it comes to tanking, especially with relation to cap, is not a good comparison howver as the apoc gets specific bonuses to cap and cap use to help it support lasers.
u also dont mention what type of npcs u were up against, using EM and therm hardeners is only useful really if u were up against laser rats, if u were againsts, angels, guristas or serpentis then u were basically wasting 2 slots on EM hardeners when those type of rats dont really do any of that damage type.
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Jaketh Ivanes
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Posted - 2006.02.23 12:04:00 -
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I'm no expert on shield tanking or shield use in general, but I think that shield tanking is much better done passivly than activly. But just a theory.
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Akip
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Posted - 2006.02.23 12:14:00 -
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I use shield tank on Tempest when I fight Angels with expl/kinet hard.
It is ok for me
when I need some EM/therm resist I go for Armor tank
with shield tank and good damage setup everything dies before your cap run out ;)
good luck
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Ms Freak
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Posted - 2006.02.23 12:39:00 -
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All the gunneries are at 4/5, engineering cap related skills at 4 and i was running this setup:
6 Dual 650 Protoypes
2 ZW4100 laucnhers with torps (for the battleships)
1 Large C5-l
2 Anointed EM hardners
1 Digitron Thermal
1 Shield Boost Aamp
2 Gyro II's
4 PD I's
I was on a level 4 mission with a bunch of corp m8s against some Blood Raiders
there where about 12 frigs (punishers mainly), another 12 mallers, and 3 BS - 2 apoc and 1 arma.
I got webbied and scrambled and i ripped the maller's to shreds (my DPS is around 300 because i cant use T2 guns yet) but the shield booster just ate my cap and as soon as i turned it off there was too much damage for the hardners to hold out on.
Once my shield was gone that was it - they chewed me up hard.
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Ms Freak
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Posted - 2006.02.23 12:40:00 -
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Is ther eno other way of keeping your cap running other than good skilsl (lvl 5+) and PD II's??
Obviously you an use relays due to nerfing your shield boost??
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Yarek Balear
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Posted - 2006.02.23 12:46:00 -
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Note that the XLarge C5-L is an extremely CAP hungry beast. The XLarge T2 uses about 20-25% less cap to repair the same damage over time that the C5-L does...
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Ms Freak
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Posted - 2006.02.23 12:49:00 -
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It was a large booster not an XLarge
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Yarek Balear
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Posted - 2006.02.23 12:50:00 -
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The same principle will be true for the Large - T2 using less cap than the C5-L.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.02.23 13:00:00 -
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if you want a perma-armour tank, use this:
dual 650mm x 6
siege x 2
18% cap recharger (go to Agil - the price has crashed there) x 5
Large Armor Rep x 2
Thermal Hardener x 1
Cap Power Relay x 2
Gyrostab x 1
it runs forever with maxed skills - with level 4s you may need to invest in another cap power relay. That setup has better resists than your shield tanked one (1.7% less em, about 20% more thermal), and tanks as much as an XLarge Shield Booster & Boost Amp.
With regards to the repairers, stagger their activation - activate one at the start, and then half way through it's cycle (right click -> show info will tell you it's activation time) activate the second one.
When you start making some proper isk you can upgrade the 18% cap rechargers to 20% ones (they cost a fortune though) and free up another low slot.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.02.23 14:29:00 -
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Shield tanks can obtain stupidly high damage per second regeneration but can't often keep it up for long. They have to fit a good boost amplifier to be as cap-effecient as armour tanks, usually, and you end up running low on cap if trying to repair too much. A solid shield tank with cap boosters is far superior to an armour tank, at least for the duration in which you have charges left. The armour tank can run forever but it doesn't have a recharge rate and the repairer is very slow.
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Jet Collins
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Posted - 2006.02.23 14:32:00 -
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I have always like to shield tank my tempest for PvE when goign against angels. If going against Ammar I would Armor tank the Phoon.
Now I have a Angle Mach to armor tank
And A Fleet Tempest to shield tank... This sheild tank is the bomb. Solo vengence mission with out using my shield booster.
Help to have 30mil in skill points, and 2 years experiance doign missions.
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2006.02.23 14:37:00 -
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Shield tanking isn't the same as armour tanking. One of the major problems with it is that lasers come in on your two weakest resistances.
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Omatje
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Posted - 2006.02.23 15:30:00 -
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If you fight npc's that do mainly EM dammage, go armor tank, your standard resists are far better against that.
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Tul 'Kas
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Posted - 2006.02.23 15:34:00 -
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 Originally by: Ms Freak
Is ther eno other way of keeping your cap running other than good skilsl (lvl 5+) and PD II's??
If you can replace 1 or 2 of those siege launchers with heavy nos that would give you some extra cap to work with.
PD II's are a worthwhile investment for a shield tank, last I looked they didn't cost anywhere near as much as cap recharger II's.
If you're going to train a capacitor skill to 5, energy sys op is only rank 1, it does more for your cap/s than energy management for a third of the training time.
If you're running missions with corp mates you should either bring a dedicated supertank to pull aggro, or have everybody equip a remote tanking module so when they're not taking much damage they can use their cap helping the poor sod who is.
If you know you're going to be facing primarily laser ships (like blood raiders) you'd be significantly better off with an armor tank like the one Sarmaul suggested.
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.02.23 15:39:00 -
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Armour tanking is generally better for PvE, as PvE is all about sustainability more than it's about burst tanking.
For sustainability, you need maximum shield per cap efficiency, and to do that, you need to use an XL booster + an amp.
A single large SB just wont cut it for level 4s.
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Imhotep Khem
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Posted - 2006.02.23 15:42:00 -
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I use shield defence only if im far away. It cant take much damage and I'd hardly call it *tanking*.
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.02.23 15:55:00 -
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both shield tanking and armor tanking have their merits.
armor tanking is FTW in NPCING. Shield tanking FTW in PVP
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Wizie
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Posted - 2006.02.23 16:05:00 -
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You were fighting EM/Therm dmg dealing rats. I would have armor tanked.
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Filan
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Posted - 2006.02.23 16:25:00 -
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against Guristas and ANgels my Ferox shield tanks just fine. even in the bonus levels it regens faster then its damaged once the frigates are out of the picture.
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