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John MacCoy
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Posted - 2006.02.24 12:50:00 -
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Okay folks, i'm hopefully going to get a Bhaalgorn in the next few weeks and I was hoping here that someone with some experience with these ships could give me a good PvP setup that uses some of the bonuses the ships has. At the moment I'm learning to use T2 tachyons and I want everything else on the ships to be good, probablly faction gear. Anyone got any good setups?
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Anominity
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Posted - 2006.02.24 12:54:00 -
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I don't own a Bhaalgorn, but i think that having Tach's on it would not be worth it, as it gets a bonus to NOS drain amount per level and webifier range, implying that it is meant to get up close and personal, go with something like 4 Mega Pulse 2's and 4 Heavy Diminishing Nos or 3 nos and 1 Neut.
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Oosel
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Posted - 2006.02.24 12:55:00 -
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its to be hoped your minny bs skills are high to use the best bonus side of it....its a serious cap sucker
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Jacinto Naysmith
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Posted - 2006.02.24 13:01:00 -
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Edited by: Jacinto Naysmith on 24/02/2006 13:06:05
Edited by: Jacinto Naysmith on 24/02/2006 13:02:33
I don't want to come across as an *******, but one of the biggest rules in EVE is to never fly a ship in PVP you can't afford to replace repeatedly. Most players never take faction battleships anywhere close to PVP, and keep a good eye on local while doing PVE. I imagine that there are very few people in EVE with enough liquid assets (not tied up in other things such as production), to think about using and loosing faction battleships in PVP. I also imagine that most of these players know enough about their ships that they wouldn't need to post a topic asking for advice for fitting it. The key to PVP is fielding the most useful ship you can, that won't be any major setback when it gets blown up. Because its not a question if if its going to get blown up, but when. Unless you have dozens of billions of ISK in your wallet doing nothing, I wouldn't recommend taking something like that into PVP.
Also remember the morale factor. If your enemy blows up such an expensive ship (and its not THAT much harder to blow up then a regular battleship) they're going to be laughing about it for days. A boost to your enemy's morale can't really be measured in ISK.
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.02.24 13:05:00 -
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However, if you have a few bil, and a well fitted faction BS, theres nothing wrong with flying one into PvP, if you're happy NOT to replace it.
Eve is easy come easy go. It's a lot less enjoyable if you don't accept that fact :P
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WiseMagic
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Posted - 2006.02.24 13:10:00 -
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I have to agree with Jacinto if u can`t afford to lose it then don`t use it I have a navy apoc and only use it in PvP because I can afford to lose it have a replacement bpc if nething happens 
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Crellion
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Posted - 2006.02.24 14:24:00 -
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 Originally by: WiseMagic
I have to agree with Jacinto if u can`t afford to lose it then don`t use it I have a navy apoc and only use it in PvP because I can afford to lose it have a replacement bpc if nething happens
So will you replace that replacement when its podded? Ifyes where can you be found??? (Nothing personal but a pc opponent spawning faction BSs is rly valuable info  )
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John MacCoy
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Posted - 2006.02.26 04:52:00 -
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I wasnt going to tkae this think out by myself, I'm not crazy. All I want is a nice setup to I can do alot of damage.
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Miabio
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Posted - 2006.02.26 05:42:00 -
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It will not support the cap Tachs need. Infact, there is only one ship in the game that can take Tachs and use them correctly - the Apocalypse. The Armageddon and her distant relative are both medium to short range Battleships. Her bonus' explain that you are meant to supplement your already low starting cap by taking it from your intended victum. With Tachs, you will not be able to perform this function. I recommend reimagianing what you belive this ship will look like in battle, what role she plays in fleet, and how you see yourself performing these.
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Sentani
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Posted - 2006.02.26 06:56:00 -
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I also imagine that most of these players know enough about their ships that they wouldn't need to post a topic asking for advice for fitting it
i hate it when people say this... it just mean his humble enougth to ask for advise...
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Exogene
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Posted - 2006.02.26 11:34:00 -
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Edited by: Exogene on 26/02/2006 11:34:39
People do use faction ships for PVP, just because you wouldn't doesn't mean everyone else won't, I have even seen people use faction BS who didn't have the funds to replace it in the short run and did well in PVP. (as long as you know what you are doing, you won't loose a ship)
If i had a bhaalgorn, i'd set it up purely for support. 7 large NOS and 1 large neutralizer. If your opponent doesn't have cap, there ain't much he can do about your friends blowing him up 
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2006.02.26 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Sentani
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I also imagine that most of these players know enough about their ships that they wouldn't need to post a topic asking for advice for fitting it
i hate it when people say this... it just mean his humble enougth to ask for advise...
Agree ^^...
Besides that, i would probably fit 4 nosf and 4 pulses or megabeams
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Forsch
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Posted - 2006.02.26 11:56:00 -
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The thing with the blood raider ships is, their boni make them especially good at pvp while they don't add much to the pve capabilities.
Nos and web range don't make much of a difference in missions or complexes. In pvp tho..  anything the enemy doesn't expect or fit for is good.
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2006.02.26 11:58:00 -
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Edited by: Wrayeth on 26/02/2006 11:58:39
Originally by: Crellion
Originally by: WiseMagic
I have to agree with Jacinto if u can`t afford to lose it then don`t use it I have a navy apoc and only use it in PvP because I can afford to lose it have a replacement bpc if nething happens
So will you replace that replacement when its podded? Ifyes where can you be found??? (Nothing personal but a pc opponent spawning faction BSs is rly valuable info )
He can be found...
...er...
...um...
Hi, Wise. Long time no see?
-Wrayeth
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Jan Marcus
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Posted - 2006.02.26 12:05:00 -
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Edited by: Jan Marcus on 26/02/2006 12:08:26
4 megapulses
4 heavy nos
scram, web
mwd to get in 20-25 km fast
cap injector for mwdtrip and when the hostile doesn't have any juice left
enought hardeners for about 60-70 % resists on everything
2 large repairers
Thats about it, can take out most ships 1on1 given time, as long as they don't jam or have crazy passive setups.
use med drones to kill the attackers drones, and don't forget to use a dark blood web to make full use of the web range bonus.
have fun
edit : set up a jump clone for this ship with specific implants, a full low grade talisman setup is dirt cheap and helps a ton
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Deadeye Dave
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Posted - 2006.02.26 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: Miabio
It will not support the cap Tachs need. Infact, there is only one ship in the game that can take Tachs and use them correctly - the Apocalypse. The Armageddon and her distant relative are both medium to short range Battleships. Her bonus' explain that you are meant to supplement your already low starting cap by taking it from your intended victum. With Tachs, you will not be able to perform this function. I recommend reimagianing what you belive this ship will look like in battle, what role she plays in fleet, and how you see yourself performing these.
You do realise that even though a Bhaalgorn has the same Hull Model as an Armageddon it has the same Special Ability as an Apocalypse (50% reduction in Large Energy Turret
capacitor use) and has a bigger Capacitor, so it can support Tachyons.
-Deadeye Dave
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Farjung
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Posted - 2006.02.26 13:28:00 -
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Edited by: Farjung on 26/02/2006 13:30:06
Originally by: Jacinto Naysmith
Edited by: Jacinto Naysmith on 24/02/2006 13:06:05
Edited by: Jacinto Naysmith on 24/02/2006 13:02:33
I don't want to come across as an *******, but one of the biggest rules in EVE is to never fly a ship in PVP you can't afford to replace repeatedly. Most players never take faction battleships anywhere close to PVP, and keep a good eye on local while doing PVE. I imagine that there are very few people in EVE with enough liquid assets (not tied up in other things such as production), to think about using and loosing faction battleships in PVP. I also imagine that most of these players know enough about their ships that they wouldn't need to post a topic asking for advice for fitting it. The key to PVP is fielding the most useful ship you can, that won't be any major setback when it gets blown up. Because its not a question if if its going to get blown up, but when. Unless you have dozens of billions of ISK in your wallet doing nothing, I wouldn't recommend taking something like that into PVP.
Also remember the morale factor. If your enemy blows up such an expensive ship (and its not THAT much harder to blow up then a regular battleship) they're going to be laughing about it for days. A boost to your enemy's morale can't really be measured in ISK.
Meh. I always thought the biggest rule was to have fun doing what you're doing. This translates to "never fly a ship you would be overly upset to lose at some point". I could fly HACs or BS and afford to replace fifty of them, or I could take out a faction BS with a setup that I would probably never be able to exactly replace again, whilst still having enough isk to replace 10+ regular bs without issue, and the deciding factor for me would be which option would be more enjoyable.
When the servers are unplugged I don't want to be one of those people with billions of isk in cash and assets and tens of replacement ships that I've never used, I don't see the point.
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