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Nauplius
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.11.23 23:19:00 -
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It is fashionable on the IGS to rescue slaves and free slaves. But do Empyreans ever consider the slaves' immortal souls?
O how terrible will be the Judgment for the Prematurely Freed Slave! Having been told that there is no God, or that God loves him and wants him to be free, he now trembles before a Righteous and Holy God, flat on his face, begging for mercy. But he shall find no mercy, for God has saved the Amarr and damned those unredeemed by service to the Amarr, for as the Scriptures say GÇö
"None shall stand higher than you save the Sefrim, Who serve Me as others shall serve you, For all things under Me serve one higher; So Amarr shall rule the worlds of the Heavens." - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 3.20 And so God in His infinite Wisdom shall sentence the Prematurely Freed Slave to Eternal Slavery in Hell, and the Serifim shall sing how perfect are the judgments of God! And God shall laugh as Prematurely Freed Slave pleads and moans as the Serifim drag him into the Pit.
And in the Pit GÇö in Abaddon GÇö shall God be glorified in the Prematurely Freed Slave's torments. The Demons shall whip him to and fro, and unlike the Amarrian Holder, who must rest his whipping hand at night, the Demons shall never sleep and never cease from whipping. And the whips shall not be electric whips that inflict pain without the worst of wounds, but demonic whips that gouge out flesh, flesh that is continually regenerated only to be whipped again. The Prematurely Freed Slave shall wear a slave collar, too; but these slave collars shall not compel obedience GÇö for in the Pit there is no hope for redemption and so no need for obedience GÇö but this slave collar shall only inflict pains and sufferings beyond the wildest ingenuity and perversions of New Eden's slave collar programmers. Because God is just.
And so the Prematurely Freed Slave shall cry for Vitoc, shall beg for Vitoc, shall plead for Vitoc GÇö but Vitoc shall be denied him, even as the demons torment him by placing Vitoc just and forever out of his reach. And so he shall have not a moment of respite from his pains, not in one generation of time, not in nine generations of time GÇö for there is no redemption in the slavery of the Pit GÇö not in a million generations of time. Yeah, even a million generations of time is but a trifle of time compared to the infinity of time that the Prematurely Freed Slave shall be tormented in Hell.
And the Prematurely Freed Slave shall look up from the Pit and see Paradise gleaming like the towers of Dam-Torsad and shall weep knowing that was denied him because some foolish Empyrean thought he should be free. Don't let this fate happen to any slaves you own or you recover. If you do not want your slaves, sell them back into slavery at the nearest Amarrian station that will accept them. Amen. Amarr Victor.
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Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
251
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Posted - 2013.11.23 23:27:00 -
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Thank you.
It's so nice to occasionally have a public reminder of how absolutely nutbag crazy the Empire, religion, the scriptures and its adherents really are. This, ladies and gentlemen, is what people are actually defending and using as their moral compass. Not the extremists, the pariahs or fringe elements. The average imperial lives by this insanity.
It bodes so well for our future, doesn't it? Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
358
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Posted - 2013.11.24 01:02:00 -
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There is no "Hell", you colossal buffoon. |

Vlad Cetes
Dirt 'n' Glitter I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
37
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Posted - 2013.11.24 01:19:00 -
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How much effort was used to write this useless drivel? Try using that energy for more productive ends. |

Andreus Ixiris
Duty. The Cursed Few
3785
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Posted - 2013.11.24 01:21:00 -
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Nauplius wrote:but this slave collar shall only inflict pains and sufferings beyond the wildest ingenuity and perversions of New Eden's slave collar programmers. Because God is just. Ah, I'm sorry for what I said before. I was clearly misinformed. I didn't realise you were a very convincing satirist. Mane 614
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Saya Ishikari
Akagi Initiative
56
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Posted - 2013.11.24 01:59:00 -
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If anyone ever wonders why I don't take the Amarrian religion seriously, here you are. |

Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
310
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Posted - 2013.11.24 02:35:00 -
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Jinari Otsito wrote:Thank you.
It's so nice to occasionally have a public reminder of how absolutely nutbag crazy the Empire, religion, the scriptures and its adherents really are. This, ladies and gentlemen, is what people are actually defending and using as their moral compass. Not the extremists, the pariahs or fringe elements. The average imperial lives by this insanity.
It bodes so well for our future, doesn't it?
It is really quite comfy to pick out the fringers and extremists, declare them to be mainstream, declare the mainstream to be fringe and then declare how one's views are justified, no? |

Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
255
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Posted - 2013.11.24 02:41:00 -
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So mainstream Imperials do not follow the scriptures then. Gotcha. That's a relief. Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
311
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Posted - 2013.11.24 03:11:00 -
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Mainstream imperials don't quote the Scriptures mindlessly and sermonize about them likewise. We have Exegetes to explain the sophisticated levels of meaning they have to us and do our best to live by that.
Following the Scriptures by the letter would be an impossible task anyway, because a lifetime isn't enough to read through them. I hope that's nothing new to you? |

Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
2465
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Posted - 2013.11.24 03:20:00 -
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Funny thing about the Scriptures: Being text, no matter how big they are it can't amount to more than a Gigabyte or two at the most. Negligible, next to the capacity of even the most basic memory implants.
Food for thought. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
256
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Posted - 2013.11.24 03:22:00 -
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So mainstream Imperials follow the scriptures as interpreted by other people... like that guy up there. Not as relieving.
Back to crazytown we go.
Edit: I've always wondered about that. They keep talking about entire warehouses of data storage. What kind of medium would that be? Stone carvings? Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
311
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Posted - 2013.11.24 03:30:00 -
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Fun fact: The scriptures aren't merely raw text. Also, fun fact: The guy up there isn't a certified exegete or anything like that. I hope you don't follow your laws simply like uneducated people read them, by the way, but as interpreted by law professionals, Cpt. Otsito? |

Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
256
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Posted - 2013.11.24 03:40:00 -
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"Certified exegete". Certifiable person interpreting mythology because it's just crazy ramblings otherwise. "Lawyer" or any other expert on law for that matter. Educated person interpreting the complexities of rules governing society.
Yeah, you're really into trying to give your insanities legitimacy by comparing them to actually reasonable things from civilizations that aren't barbaric and primitive, huh? Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
2467
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Posted - 2013.11.24 03:48:00 -
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Nicoletta Mithra wrote:Fun fact: The scriptures aren't merely raw text.
Ooh! are there pictures? Because data storage can do pictures. Audio? Yep, can do that too. Oh! tactile and olfactory sense-recordings? easy, that's how they record Mind Clash matches. Maybe the scriptures are a pop-up book, that would be tricky... you'd need a volumetric model.
The point is, raw text or not they can be digitized.... Unless the only way the bloody things can be properly recorded is to print them in Neutronium ink on the flayed skin of a space whale that died from choking on a whole roast unicorn with a dark matter and fairy dust glaze, of course. Which I doubt.
If they can be digitized, t hey can be uploaded to a cybernetic memory implant: which means that somebody with even a basic implant could "read" that whole edifice of literature while waiting for their toast to brown.
All of which is a roundabout way of begging you to stop pretending that the Scriptures are this ineffable monument beyond the ken of mere immortals such as we and exempt from interpretation by anybody other than an order of specialists whose only perspective on life, and thus the only filter by which they may interpret them, is their own perpetual academia. They're not. I'll grant you that the combined learnings and philosophy of an entire civilization is more than anybody can comfortably grok in a reasonable length of time, but let's please not attribute them with powers of divine inscrutability. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
311
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Posted - 2013.11.24 03:57:00 -
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Cpt. Otsitso, do you really are so primitive or do you think that I wouldn't see that you are committing an act of vicious circular reasoning here? You're not even entertaining in commiting your petitio principia here or creative in evading the question. Why should I defend Amarr culture against accusations that find their only factual substratum in what you dreamed up in your autistic mind?
I'd suggest to you to turn yourself in for re-education, but that would imply that you got any education in the first place. Go to highschool and play your little games there. Maybe you learn there that the Scriptures aren't by any stretch merely made up of what might qualify as 'mythology' by the widest of (remotely valid) definitions.
I'm bored by your mediocrity.
As to you Cpt. Hakatain: I see you have no need of lawyers either, because you can read the entirety of Caldari State law while having breakfast. Good for you.
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Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2433
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Posted - 2013.11.24 04:01:00 -
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It's worth noting that while we can store massive volumes of data in our minds, it takes time for us to comprehend it and understand it on any practical level. This is precisely why piloting skills are 'injected' at a controlled rate, because simply having the data stored in our memories does not lead to an innate understanding of what all that data is and how it applies to our lives and understanding of the world around us.
Data is not itself an understanding, as you well know. It must be introduced in certain order, by certain prerequisites, for it to be understood correctly. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |

Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
2467
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Posted - 2013.11.24 04:13:00 -
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Quite so. But I'm prepared to bet that the total amount of data I've absorbed via implant learning over the last eight years, being sufficient to allow me to fly in excess of two hundred different ship hulls, all of them to a high standard, and equip them with their dizzying variety of equipment, weaponry, maximize their performance, maximize my ability to co-ordinate whole fleets of them, not forgetting the ability to build most of them, reverse-engineer advanced technology, hack security systems, mine, refine, scan, buy, sell, administrate ground facilities from orbit and generate tame wormholes that will fling several thousand meters of starship across the light years...
I'm prepared to estimate that the total data I've uploaded into my brain in learning how to do all that probably exceeds the total file size of the the Amarrian Scriptures. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Andreus Ixiris
Duty. The Cursed Few
3786
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Posted - 2013.11.24 04:45:00 -
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And is vastly more applicable to every facet of your life. Mane 614
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Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Cult of War
1638
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Posted - 2013.11.24 05:28:00 -
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If God was forgiving and benevolent, I doubt he would create a realm dedicated to torturing souls for all eternity.
And if God is so powerful, why hasn't he destroyed tbese pesky demons? Isn't it contradictory to claim there is one all powerful God while also believing in other entities that can override God's will and lure humans away from his grace?
Part of why the Amarr faith never applead to me is because there are more plotholes than your average B Holomovie. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |

Cuci Cairi
3
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Posted - 2013.11.24 05:37:00 -
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Nauplius wrote: And in the Pit GÇö in Abaddon GÇö shall God be glorified in the Prematurely Freed Slave's torments.
Wait, hell is a battleship? |

Andreus Ixiris
Duty. The Cursed Few
3787
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Posted - 2013.11.24 05:53:00 -
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Cuci Cairi wrote:Wait, hell is a battleship? Hell is a railgun shield-tank Abaddon.
That you have to fly against Angel Cartel.
Forever. Mane 614
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Lyn Farel
Kitzless
638
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Posted - 2013.11.24 10:43:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:Funny thing about the Scriptures: Being text, no matter how big they are it can't amount to more than a Gigabyte or two at the most. Negligible, next to the capacity of even the most basic memory implants.
Food for thought.
I am unsure what you are trying to imply... Store them into an implant, or intro a library, what is the difference ? You sitll need the processing capacity to read them all.
Which you have certainly not.
When will your charlatanism stop ? You are a living insult to science.
I think Oniseki-haani has already explained it in a more diplomatic way than I have.
Stitcher wrote:Quite so. But I'm prepared to bet that the total amount of data I've absorbed via implant learning over the last eight years, being sufficient to allow me to fly in excess of two hundred different ship hulls, all of them to a high standard, and equip them with their dizzying variety of equipment, weaponry, maximize their performance, maximize my ability to co-ordinate whole fleets of them, not forgetting the ability to build most of them, reverse-engineer advanced technology, hack security systems, mine, refine, scan, buy, sell, administrate ground facilities from orbit and generate tame wormholes that will fling several thousand meters of starship across the light years...
I'm prepared to estimate that the total data I've uploaded into my brain in learning how to do all that probably exceeds the total file size of the the Amarrian Scriptures.
The only thing you have assimilated are mere flight manuals. Advanced manuals, granted, but not a whole culture.
Katrina Oniseki wrote: EDIT: I should clarify and admit that this is not the only reason our injected-learning rates are controlled. It's also for safety reasons, as I have been told.
It is more than safety reasons, even if those exist too.
It is also about the defining of any living being. Anyone is the sum of his or her memories. Modify that in one stroke without making the whole assimilation process, and you eventually "rewrite" any individual into something else.
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Lyn Farel
Kitzless
638
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Posted - 2013.11.24 10:45:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote: EDIT: I should clarify and admit that this is not the only reason our injected-learning rates are controlled. It's also for safety reasons, as I have been told.
It is more than safety reasons, even if those exist too.
It is also about the defining of any living being. Anyone is the sum of his or her memories. Modify that in one stroke without making the whole assimilation process, and you eventually "rewrite" any individual into something else.
Fredfredbug4 wrote:If God was forgiving and benevolent, I doubt he would create a realm dedicated to torturing souls for all eternity.
And if God is so powerful, why hasn't he destroyed tbese pesky demons? Isn't it contradictory to claim there is one all powerful God while also believing in other entities that can override God's will and lure humans away from his grace?
Part of why the Amarr faith never applead to me is because there are more plotholes than your average B Holomovie.
You are not speaking about the Amarr Faith. You are refering to a fantasy.
In Amarr Scripture, God holds no moral value. There is no forgiveness or benevolence.
God is similar to the Achuran concept of the universe. Anyone can choose to give it an anthropomorphic shape like we give anthropomorphic shapes to some drones or pet drones if that makes it easier for them. But associating the same human flaws to a concept tied to the Creation and the inner cogs of the universe would be considered foolish, at best.
Even the Scriptures can only be taken metaphorically since they are written by men, and so hold men values and observations on an entity that goes beyond them. |

Louella Dougans
Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine
107
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Posted - 2013.11.24 11:47:00 -
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Stitcher wrote: I'm prepared to estimate that the total data I've uploaded into my brain in learning how to do all that probably exceeds the total file size of the Amarrian Scriptures.
You would be wrong. Be a Space Nun, it is fun. \o/ |

Dangirdas Bachir
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
504
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Posted - 2013.11.24 11:56:00 -
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This made my tears flow like never before. EVE EVE STARGALACTIC CITY B I T C H |

Arkady Vachon
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
513
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Posted - 2013.11.24 12:26:00 -
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Nauplius wrote:but this slave collar shall only inflict pains and sufferings beyond the wildest ingenuity and perversions of New Eden's slave collar programmers. Because God is just.
So you embrace ingenious perversion in controlling other people...Somehow this does not surprise me.
Quote:And so the Prematurely Freed Slave shall cry for Vitoc, shall beg for Vitoc, shall plead for Vitoc GÇö but Vitoc shall be denied him, even as the demons torment him by placing Vitoc just and forever out of his reach.
You need to be dosed with Vitoc just to calm you down, plus it would be fun to throw you into a deep dark hole, dose you up with Vitoc, and see how you like it.
Nothing Personal - Just Business...
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Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
2468
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Posted - 2013.11.24 12:55:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:Stitcher wrote:Funny thing about the Scriptures: Being text, no matter how big they are it can't amount to more than a Gigabyte or two at the most. Negligible, next to the capacity of even the most basic memory implants.
Food for thought. I am unsure what you are trying to imply... Store them into an implant, or intro a library, what is the difference ? You sitll need the processing capacity to read them all. Which you have certainly not. You are a living charlatanist insult to science. I think Oniseki-haani has already explained it in a more diplomatic way than I have. Stitcher wrote:I'm prepared to estimate that the total data I've uploaded into my brain in learning how to do all that probably exceeds the total file size of the the Amarrian Scriptures. The only thing you have assimilated are mere flight manuals. Advanced manuals, granted, but not a whole culture.
Those flight manuals are several terabytes in size each. I have assimilated 305 such packages so far, 130 of them to completion.
The scriptures are not "a whole culture" because cultures are living things produced by humans. What the Scriptures are is the combined writing, philosophy and theology of that culture. They are data, and nowhere close to the many hundreds of terabytes I have already assimilated.
You're quite right that I have not assimilated the Scriptures in that way - I never claimed to. I have devoted that time to things like spaceship operation and gunnery.
My point is that in the age of the advanced cybernetic learning techniques used by all capsuleers, the assertion that the Scriptures are too large to be read and understood by a single person inside their lifetime simply is no longer true. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
266
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Posted - 2013.11.24 13:42:00 -
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Oh Verin, I go to grab a few hours of sleep and you go ahead and use reason to turn these scriptures from a towering, unassailable mountain into a funny little pile of not-quite-esoteric data.
Quote:Satrapess Ms Lady Dame Otsito the third, do you really are so primitive or do you think that I wouldn't see that you are committing an act of vicious circular reasoning here? You're not even entertaining in commiting your petitio principia here or creative in evading the question. Why should I defend Amarr culture against accusations that find their only factual substratum in what you dreamed up in your autistic mind?
I'd suggest to you to turn yourself in for re-education, but that would imply that you got any education in the first place. Go to highschool and play your little games there. Maybe you learn there that the Scriptures aren't by any stretch merely made up of what might qualify as 'mythology' by the widest of (remotely valid) definitions.
Oh, someone's buttons got properly tickled. I'm sure that SuuVe would have taken offense at hearing their educational prowess being slandered, if they weren't too busy wondering what a highschool is or what the relevance your mythology has in such a context.
Because that is indeed what they are. No matter what else is interspersed in the data, from technical manuals to screenplays and all else, they're in every quoted instance on these boards and elsewhere religious in nature. Everything about the myth you call "God" comes from those texts, which is pretty much the definition of mythology.
But perhaps you'd prefer an answer in kind to your own bleating. "Rawr poopiebutt meany waaah waaah."
Quote:As to you Cpt. Hakatain: I see you have no need of lawyers either, because you can read the entirety of Caldari State law while having breakfast. Good for you.
Probably shouldn't take much more than a few days, at the most. If I can become exceptionally proficient in laser physics in less than a week, mastering it fully in a fortnight (and I have) and retain all that knowledge and understanding it does indeed imply that the education of a lawyer shouldn't be particularly problematic to assimilate. I would actually be surprised if it's not already the norm among many of CONCORD's and the State's departments to use capsuleers in such contexts.
I think I'd welcome a few "The Scriptures, unabridged version" skillbooks, in fact. Since technology now allows many of us to actually assimilate, understand and thus live by the exact words of your most holy texts one'd think your Empire would leap at the chance to spread the good word as it is. Unless of course that would reveal it to New Eden as the sheep's dung it really is.
I suppose the "exegeters" are indeed required to filter out the most obvious tosh. Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
2471
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Posted - 2013.11.24 13:57:00 -
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Well in fairness it isn't a little pile - as I understand it, all of the scrolls, books and hard copy that make up the Scriptures do take up several large warehouses - but considering that most commercial electronics these days are equipped with a few hundred petabytes of storage (this being not only sufficient to meet ANYBODY'S needs indefinitely, but also cheap enough for mass production) It seems ridiculous to me to claim that a body of work which is, no matter what Cpt. Mithra claims, mostly plain text is beyond being digitized and stored. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
266
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Posted - 2013.11.24 14:06:00 -
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Funny little pile of not-quite-so-esoteric-after-all data. Once digitized and stored. I'd buy one. Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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