I guess you were living in a cave for past several years so you know nothing about Jita riots and player protests against "features" Incarna had to offer.

There were no riots over WiS.

I know there is that, elephant in the room that promises to have something just like WiS... but once you've seen your space ships coffee table drop from the ceiling two times, is it really adding anything to the game?

That whole 'future vision' thing CCP had going on, now known as the 'Screw that, lets build stargates instead vision', was an interesting one though, but to make it work, you actually need a much deeper and more complex set of interactions to make it add anything meaningful. Such as being able to shoot people in the face like in the trailer.

I'm not saying that CCP need to put 100%, they can add some new in WIS in expansions, how they do.
I'm not against the idea, I'm just against it not adding anything worth while and being eye candy. What they were planning - from all interviews and accounts - was eye candy, sadly. They weren't even going to allow pvp in stations for example.

There is a measurable contingent of older players (read: bittervets) who very specifically want the game to not evolve.

I can understand their sentiments a bit, but to think that EVE Online should go another 10 years being pretty much exactly what we have.. I don't see the game lasting 10 more years in that kind of a state.

Please no compulsory WiS. I want to fly space ships, not dress up.

10+ year vet, anxiously waiting for WiS to finally arrive. Been waiting for it since it was first announced in 2006.

Two things. First off, you've misquoted me there. I didn't even say that first sentence, only the second paragraph. Please be careful with your quote trimming!

And secondly, okay, so you want to talk about Star Citizen. The space game getting all the headlines as its budget grows ever larger.

Yes you will be able to press a virtual button and get a virtual coffee table and virtually spin around in a fancy chair and sit in your cockpit. And yes, eventually you'll be able to walk around a station or city or whatever. Eventually being able to 'PvP' in it, although that is incredibly vague still.

None of that means it will either be 1. Fun. 2. Have any point.

While there is an immersion factor there that I like a lot, I don't get a sense there is any real depth to it. I mean, sure pay $$$ to have a space ship that the dining table drops from the ceiling if you will, I for one have better things to spend my time and money on.

And while it will have some MMO like features, it is not an MMO in the actual game play. Its entirely instanced combat, because as of yet, the world doesn't have fast enough internet and servers able to cope with such dynamic amounts of information when scaled to thousands of players.

If we're going to have spaceships to walk around - I want them to be truly functional things that add game immersion. You know, if the engines break down, you have to go and fix them. There is a game being developed just like that, where different players have roles in the ship and the whole thing has a sort of FTL feel to it, albeit 3D, but damned if I can find it again. Its graphics are relatively simple, but who cares - its the gameplay and concept that would be enjoyable.

So Star Citizen can make more money, promise yet more things. I bet at $50 million you will unlock World Peace or something. None of this makes it either finished, or a good game yet. The signs are promising, but then again many games have promised a lot and failed to deliver in the past.

When its finally done, and I mean, really done as in three-four years or so (You have to pay attention to the bit where Chris talks about the game never really being finished), then I look forward to playing it.

As for CCP and WiS, they could have carried on down the route, but none of the stuff they had on the table really stood out as being stuff most players wanted. And again, there is an issue of scale and scarcity, where some stations are empty and others have thousands of players in. Not sure how that would have worked - I'm not sure CCP did either.

By all accounts of what CCP talked about, what I think you would have got, is a very cool looking, science fiction version of PS3 Home.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MAyKZms5_YI

Oh dear.

In time, it could be more than that, but you're talking years of effort and money, while the core game went unfixed and unloved.

itll probably be in Incarna 2.0 when they finish rebalanceing everything, introduceing modular posses, increaseing the amount of galaxies in eve (2014 perhaps), 2014 for highsec poco-loco and a whole lot of other more important stuff befor we get to show off our fashion sence in stations.. and then nex/aur will finally make sence :P

Delete all WiS content, make the client smaller, its already half as big as WoW. Pre-Trinity eve was better and smaller.

Well WiS would certainly be cool, even more if it included WiS combat and all this stuff (I'm sure some of the Dust code could be used to speed up the developpement process)

But if you cannot create WiS content and space content at the same time, it's wiser to focus on space, and that's what CCP is doing.

I'm sad for the WiS part that could provide so much to eve and make it an ultimate sci-fi experience, but at the same time I understand their choice.

And thus the EVE thin-client for iPhone was born!

I think they should put like 3 people on this project and have them put out small updates with every patch. Let's start by adding the ability to sit on my couch in captains quarters and play video poker with my buddies.

The riots were because of the 'Greed is good' newsletter, which detailed steps to create a cash shop in EVE. This is seemingly why CCP made the use of WiS mandatory, even though they promised it would remain optional. CCP also spent a lot of money on Dust and WoD while basically ignoring EVE development (much of WiS actually came from the WoD team). THIS is the reason for the riots.

Incarna itself was never (really) a problem. As long as it adds meaningful gameplay and immersion to EVE it's a very welcome addition.

Copied from another post I made recently on this topic:

"Support!

I have been saying this since day 1 of Incarna. It is the future. Too bad the vocal minority managed to shut down the development and somehow tied WiS and CQ with the lulzy aurum store.

For the ones that have missed it, read this:

http://www.ninveah.com/2013/10/incanra-second-chance.html

I will quote one very important sentence: "moving Eve beyond "just spaceships" into actual Sci Fi simulator."

Please CCP, continue the development of WiS. Some of us, MOST OF US want it. Don;t let a bunch of "muuuh spacehips!!!" 'tards spoil the whole experience for the rest of us. EVE is a game about space, science fiction immersion, spaceships, avatars, player interaction, walking in stations, etc."

I'd like to see this as well. This game really needs new content. After 9 years of same, I want something new,

The problem was that Greed Is Good and subsequent events made it clear that Incarna-era WiS was not intended as a platform for meaningful gameplay and immersion, but as a catwalk environment for players to show off their NeX Store purchases and nothing more.

So what we can agree on is that WiS need a purpose that makes sense. Features for WiS anyone?

WiS is a waste of resources, plain and simple. In an ideal world it would happen. But this is not an ideal world. This is a world where SovNull has still not been adequately balanced, where corp roles and pos ops are still in desperate need of repair, and where time spent developing new content would be much better used in developing and expanding what is unique about Eve.

Adding WiS does not add something new, it only adds something we have all seen before in plenty of other games... to Eve. Eve does not need to focus on what it could have that many other games already have, it needs to focus on what it has and can provide that no other game is offering.

The only thing that I would like to see for WiS is a Board Room, make it an isk sink, charge a per use fee equal to that of renting an office in that station, but for 24hrs.

EVE has tons of politics, and a meeting/board room would add a new level to the political negations.

When an MMO developer release a new type of content to their game, they are responsible for updating it sooner or later, that is what the monthly subscription is for.

If the content is not used by anyone, and nobody cares, then fine leave it.

The content released in Incarna is used by every Eve player that ever made use of the character creator, yet it has never been updated. People post about it daily here on the forums, yet nothing happens. not a SINGLE thing, it is almost ridiculous.

Walking in station is not PVP. All CCP cares about is making a game that allows people to shoot other people's ships in a better manner. If they could only pull their heads out of their butts, they would see having immersive elements like hanging out at the bars in station would really help the PVP.

Imagine you're hanging out a bar in Dodixie with your mates; a bunch of Gallentes. Another clan walks into the bar and low and behold, it's some notorious Caldari traders. You exchange some heated words as the barkeep pours more drinks and you decide to take it outside. You agree to a "bar fight" which is a new mechanic added, and the game undocks you both at the same time with an aggression timer to prevent dock up.

I know the above idea is absolutely ridiculous, I'm just illustrating the different ways PVP could actually have meaning by adding immersive elements to the game.

CCP wants to homogenize this game into a giant routine, and it's getting annoying. Look at exploration. It used to be "finding the unknown". Now it's a routine. PVP, yet another routine.

I want to play a fun immersive game CCP, not do routines.

I'll just say that I really don't care for WiS and I do have some problems with it.

1. When CCP were first making it, they neglected the rest of Eve for what, 2 years? The only good thing about Incarna (the expansion) was that it caused an uproar and made CCP realise their mistakes.

2. WiS was released when it was half-finished. It added nothing in terms of actual gameplay while giving CCP an excuse to implement the disgustingly horrible Noble Exhange store (NeX) and AUR. Basically incarna was a tool to introduce microtransactions and useless vanity items.

3. For a while it seemed like CCP wanted to make WiS the default option in Eve. Meaning you'd always go to captain's quarters instead of your hangar. Forcing WiS on the players was a mistake and there was protesting (not the jita riots but still).

4. I'm pretty sure #4 exists but I can't think of it right now.

Bottom line: I don't want CCP to spend any more money or resources on WiS. "Flying in space" which is more commonly known as Eve Online is more important and should have CCP's full attention.

Bump for interest. We got all the bad of WiS, now give us the good you promised, CCP!

In my opinion the best way to go forward with Walking in Stations (WiS) is to integrate slowly. for instance have the exit door in the current captain's quarters go to the corporation's office (if there is one in that station) and have a set number of available offices on the station, or to a private lounge area for your corp members if there is not. and then slowly branch from there. adding a concourse level at some point, and being as we are talking about a station, these can be instanced because it is a space station, not open space.

local chat could then be channel switched (the same as moving from one solar system to another) to your given concourse, club, pub, office, or lounge.

if your alliance has an office on board then you could go to a meeting there as well.

these are just some of my ideas of how WiS could progress, albeit slowly. I do not think it feasible, or wise to add all the things they want to do with WiS simultaneously. but giving more options than just the captain's quarters would be a decent start. being as something like this could be instanced, it would take a lot of lag off the game servers, however, it is unknown what kind of hardware changes would eventually be required for this action.

food for thought.

I would sugest buying this game

you can all ready walk in a hanger and its still just an alpha

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/about-the-game

this game feels like a browser game sometimes.
just a chat, and buttons, say what u want, but a ship dont identify me more than an avatar, i feel WiS would give more social life to
eve. but i dont think it will happend anytime soon, but games like Star citizen, and elite dangerous are coming and will bring all space u want and all avatar interaction u want, so, there is hope there if not here.