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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.11.24 19:20:00 -
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Dorian Wylde wrote:El Geo wrote: - Easily cordoned off and controlled by powerbloc (this case the closest locally just so happen to be the CFC)
Maybe someone could shed some light on to why this is a good idea?
If only there were some way of taking over space controlled by other players. +1
Or some way to ignore the people who own the space, if only EVE had some kind of nullfied cruiser that could carry a mobile depot and refit to do missions......
I'm sorry for sarcasming up your sarcasm btw :) . |
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
364
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Posted - 2013.11.24 19:42:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Dorian Wylde wrote:El Geo wrote: - Easily cordoned off and controlled by powerbloc (this case the closest locally just so happen to be the CFC)
Maybe someone could shed some light on to why this is a good idea?
If only there were some way of taking over space controlled by other players. +1 Or some way to ignore the people who own the space, if only EVE had some kind of nullfied cruiser that could carry a mobile depot and refit to do missions...... I'm sorry for sarcasming up your sarcasm btw :) .
No need to apologize, wish I'd thought of it ;) Few things more satisfying than enjoying space claimed by your enemies. |
El Geo
Pathfinders.
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Posted - 2013.11.24 19:44:00 -
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Mara Tessidar wrote:Someone explain to me why pirate faction ships are available in highsec in the first place.
The explanation may not include the words "because CCP was appealing to highsec mission runners," because that part is already obvious.
Becuase they are faction ships not pirate ships, navy ships are faction ships also and you can get those in highsec jeez, this isnt rocket science, just becuase CCP choose to dress it up as a pirate ship doesnt mean you shouldnt see the wood for the trees path-+find-+er (pthfndr, p+ñth-)n. 1. One that discovers a new course or way, especially through or into unexplored regions.
http://www.youtube.com/user/EvEPathfinders/videos?view=0 |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17507
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Posted - 2013.11.24 20:02:00 -
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El Geo wrote:Becuase they are faction ships not pirate ships GǪand which single faction ship skill do you use to fly them?
Also, presumably, you want to see them massively nerfed so they sit on the same meta level as faction ships? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
El Geo
Pathfinders.
179
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Posted - 2013.11.24 20:08:00 -
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So blind, so dumb path-+find-+er (pthfndr, p+ñth-)n. 1. One that discovers a new course or way, especially through or into unexplored regions.
http://www.youtube.com/user/EvEPathfinders/videos?view=0 |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17507
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Posted - 2013.11.24 20:12:00 -
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El Geo wrote:So blind, so dumb So you've had your eyes opened, then, and now understand why it's classified as a pirate ship? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
M1k3y Koontz
Thorn Project Surely You're Joking
408
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Posted - 2013.11.24 20:54:00 -
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You think nullsec blocs can control NPC nullsec. Lul. Risk = reward. In nullsec the risk is greater the reward is greater.
If you take issue with the CFC controlling that area of space, get yourself a cloaky ship and go kill CFC ratting Tengus, enjoy the tears, those guys are 90% care bears. How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp. |
El Geo
Pathfinders.
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Posted - 2013.11.24 22:02:00 -
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You choose to see it as a pirate ship because CCP tells you it is, their reasons are it uses 2 non-pirate faction racial bonus's.
I see it as not a pirate ship because SOE aren't a pirate faction, and if I viewed it as having 2 separate 'racial' bonus's I still wouldn't see it as a faction ship because they are empire faction bonus's, not pirate faction bonus's so please, spare me your opinion as it won't effect mine.
The issue isn't that I am not capable of going to nullsec and either killing ratters or running missions, nor is it that the closest nullsec bloc is the CFC, the issue I was asking about was the decision to make them available in only 1 station in the whole of new Eden which puts it in the position where its easy to control should someone desire to, which btw doesn't seem to be happening, the locals are the same guys who have lived there for the past year with a few randoms, no mass gate camps.
Now, Baltec gave an answer that I can go with and I will leave it at that.
You may lock the thread. path-+find-+er (pthfndr, p+ñth-)n. 1. One that discovers a new course or way, especially through or into unexplored regions.
http://www.youtube.com/user/EvEPathfinders/videos?view=0 |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17507
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Posted - 2013.11.24 22:11:00 -
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El Geo wrote:I see it as not a pirate ship because SOE aren't a pirate faction Doesn't matter. That's just (questionable) lore and is of no relevance to game mechanics. It's a pirate ship: it has no faction skills of its own and uses those of two actual races. It is balanced as a pirate ship.
Quote:and if I viewed it as having 2 separate 'racial' bonus's I still wouldn't see it as a faction ship because they are empire faction bonus's, not pirate faction bonus's GǪjust like every other pirate faction ship, you mean?
Quote:the issue I was asking about was the decision to make them available in only 1 station in the whole of new Eden They're available form more stations than that. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
El Geo
Pathfinders.
180
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Posted - 2013.11.24 22:26:00 -
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keep talking Tippia, you'll be the only one reading path-+find-+er (pthfndr, p+ñth-)n. 1. One that discovers a new course or way, especially through or into unexplored regions.
http://www.youtube.com/user/EvEPathfinders/videos?view=0 |
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Spurty
V0LTA Triumvirate.
1027
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Posted - 2013.11.24 23:02:00 -
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*SNORK*
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3462
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Posted - 2013.11.25 00:05:00 -
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El Geo wrote:You choose to see it as a pirate ship because CCP tells you it is, their reasons are it uses 2 non-pirate faction racial bonus's.
What incredible hubris and ignorance. So it's not a pirate ship despite the fact that it has 2 faction bonuses like every other pirate ship and the people who make and OWN EVE online says it's a pirate ship?
That's a nice little bubble you choose to live in where facts don't matter and things are whatever you want them to be. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2013.11.25 00:15:00 -
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Quote:In a nutshell, this is a new GÇÿpirate factionGÇÖ ship line from the Sisters of EVE.
from ... CCP Rise --> http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/sisters-of-eve-faction-ships
As far as the cost goes, they currently sell in high sec for about 50-100% profit over what they cost to make from a SOE BPC so people really cannot complain too much.
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Iria Ahrens
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
96
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Posted - 2013.11.25 02:08:00 -
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El Geo wrote:I havent seen a thread on this yet but its something thats been annoying me, I have tried but just can't see the reasoning behind this decision, I mean...
Pros: - Can get the new sisters ships cheaper
Cons: - Only one system in Eve has Sanctuary agents (Literally 1 station in the whole galaxy) - Easily cordoned off and controlled by powerbloc (this case the closest locally just so happen to be the CFC)
Maybe someone could shed some light on to why this is a good idea?
Because the game is deliberately designed to create conflict and promote player interaction in the form of pvp. Many regions are relatively poor, other regions are, or have been, faucets for technetium or some other high value resource allowing the alliance controlling that space to dictate prices. And other alliances to increase demand by blowing up the former alliance's ships as they make for Jita.
All null is not equal, and is not intended to be equal. But instead provide yet more motivation to attack your neighbors. Because if you neighbor is sitting on an isk faucet and you do not, then that motivates you to attack sooner rather than wait for them to out build you.
CFC is simply ONE of the alliances that recognizes this and seeks to control resources. They are hardly the only ones, but one of the reasons they are so enduring is because they didn't just pick their Sovereignty zones at random. Because you disdained all my counsel, and my reproof you ignoredGÇö I, in my turn, will laugh at your doom; will mock when terror overtakes you; -- Ultimate Griefer's Handbook |
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Umbrarum Paradisi
91
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Posted - 2013.11.25 04:58:00 -
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El Geo wrote:You choose to see it as a pirate ship because CCP tells you it is, their reasons are it uses 2 non-pirate faction racial bonus's.
I see it as not a pirate ship because SOE aren't a pirate faction, and if I viewed it as having 2 separate 'racial' bonus's I still wouldn't see it as a faction ship because they are empire faction bonus's, not pirate faction bonus's so please, spare me your opinion as it won't effect mine.
The issue isn't that I am not capable of going to nullsec and either killing ratters or running missions, nor is it that the closest nullsec bloc is the CFC, the issue I was asking about was the decision to make them available in only 1 station in the whole of new Eden which puts it in the position where its easy to control should someone desire to, which btw doesn't seem to be happening, the locals are the same guys who have lived there for the past year with a few randoms, no mass gate camps.
They have Gallente and Amarr bonuses.
Serpentis has Gallente and Minmatar bonuses.
Angels have Minmatar and Gallente bonuses.
Blood has Amarr and Minmatar bonuses.
Sansha has Caldari and Amarr bonuses.
Guristas has Caldari and Gallente bonuses.
You're ignorant or a troll- maybe both.
Also, you don't deserve that monocle- you're probably just spending IRL cash for it and now you're whining that you have to pay a little more for a cruiser or frigate- get over yourself
If you're a troll, you're dedicated- if you aren't, you're kinda stupid "A City made of Wood is built in the forest; A City made of Stone is built in the mountains; But a City made of Dreams....is built in heaven."
-Jovian Proverb-á |
embrel
BamBam Inc.
78
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Posted - 2013.11.25 07:22:00 -
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I am a pirate-sister, yarr! |
Fey Ivory
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
124
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Posted - 2013.11.25 07:34:00 -
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Or you could contact the Goons about being able to pass their space, there probably is ISK cost attached to it, and ewen then , **** is known to happen in EvE i heard , but like most things everything comes with a cost, and if its to good to be true, its a scam |
Fr3akwave
Space Road Truckers.
5
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Posted - 2013.11.25 08:26:00 -
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Tippia wrote:El Geo wrote:I see it as not a pirate ship because SOE aren't a pirate faction Doesn't matter. That's just (questionable) lore and is of no relevance to game mechanics. It's a pirate ship: it has no faction skills of its own and uses those of two actual races. It is balanced as a pirate ship. Quote:and if I viewed it as having 2 separate 'racial' bonus's I still wouldn't see it as a faction ship because they are empire faction bonus's, not pirate faction bonus's GǪjust like every other pirate faction ship, you mean? Quote:the issue I was asking about was the decision to make them available in only 1 station in the whole of new Eden They're available form more stations than that.
I just wanted to write something looking like that, so thanks for the work :P
El Geo wrote:keep talking Tippia, you'll be the only one reading Typical "going offtopic because i have been proven wrong and cant admit it" type post. You insisting on those ships not being a pirate faction ship doesn't change anything about the fact that CCP balanced them as such and even called them by that label. I mean... really? "Even though CCP said they are, they cannot be, cant you all see that!"...
The ships are classified as a pirate faction ship. Unlike your notion, that classification is not by source but by its abilities and split racial bonuses. It's a technical classification, not one by lore, insist on that as much as you like. Basically there would be 2 ways to fix the "issue" to align them with the "real" pirate's ships: 1. make them unavailable in high sec - just like all the others. (Or leave them in high sec for higher price. risk vs reward and all that, right? Oh wait...) 2. rethink the label "pirate faction". So far that was correct, but with the SOE/Sanctuary ships this is not really fitting anymore. Rather call them "minor faction ships" or "mixed faction ships" and the other ones "empire faction ships". |
Niena Nuamzzar
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
91
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Posted - 2013.11.25 09:52:00 -
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Erm, can we use High Sec SOE LP's to get ships in Pure Blind from Sanctuary agents? |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
841
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Posted - 2013.11.25 10:06:00 -
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El Geo wrote:
SOE ships are FACTION ships, SOE aren't a pirate organization so you can rub sh*t in your eyes and dress them up as pirate ships all you want, that doesnt make it true, and there are plenty of ways to get faction ships in highsec, although this has absolutly nothing to do with the question at hand.
SO ships are PIRATE, by all definitions in this game. They are combination of 2 racial bonuses and that makes them pirate ships. Even ccp calls them PIRATE ships.
No other PIRATE ships can be bought in high sec. Only NAVY ships. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
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Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
602
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Posted - 2013.11.25 11:08:00 -
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Niena Nuamzzar wrote:Erm, can we use High Sec SOE LP's to get ships in Pure Blind from Sanctuary agents?
Nope...
Not that I didn't try hoping against hope. |
Solstice Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
4709
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Posted - 2013.11.25 11:18:00 -
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Zwei und Zwei ist F++nf ! |
Niena Nuamzzar
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
91
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Posted - 2013.11.25 11:28:00 -
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Onictus wrote:Niena Nuamzzar wrote:Erm, can we use High Sec SOE LP's to get ships in Pure Blind from Sanctuary agents? Nope... Not that I didn't try hoping against hope. Thank you, guess it wouldn't be too hard to get there in cloaked inties. Ahh well, at least I can start hoping against hope for one Stratios Emergency Responder... |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2013.11.25 12:18:00 -
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aye ... true pirate factions be identified by saying yarrr a lot, the flying of the jolly rodger, the wearing of the black eye patch, the peg leg, the parrot and teh singing of the drunken sea shanty ... |
Endovior
Osmosis Inc Li3 Federation
97
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Posted - 2013.11.25 12:46:00 -
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El Geo wrote:Cons: - Only one system in Eve has Sanctuary agents (Literally 1 station in the whole galaxy) - Easily cordoned off and controlled by powerbloc (this case the closest locally just so happen to be the CFC)
Speaking as someone who lives next door to NPC null, the reverse is in fact true. NPC stations that anyone can fly out of are really difficult to meaningfully interfere with. Short of camping the place 23/7 (a feat so tedious that not even the goons do so outside of major wars), there's no way to stop people from coming and going more or less as they please. Naturally, you can try and hunt them down to disrupt their mission-running activities, but 0.0 mission runners have to expect that anyways, since they live in space they do not control. At the very least, they tend to be more wily than their counterparts in sov null, who feel safer and thus tend to take less precautions.
Of course, the result of all this is basically a sign that says 'you must be at least this hardcore to run these missions'. If you'd balk at living in lowsec, it's much the same deal here. Those people who are able to successfully do this definitely deserve the rewards. |
Fey Ivory
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
124
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Posted - 2013.11.25 12:50:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:aye ... true pirate factions be identified by saying yarrr a lot, the flying of the jolly rodger, the wearing of the black eye patch, the peg leg, the parrot and teh singing of the drunken sea shanty ...
and HATS |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3465
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Posted - 2013.11.25 13:14:00 -
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Fr3akwave wrote:Typical "going offtopic because i have been proven wrong and cant admit it" type post. You insisting on those ships not being a pirate faction ship doesn't change anything about the fact that CCP balanced them as such and even called them by that label. I mean... really? "Even though CCP said they are, they cannot be, cant you all see that!"...
Nonsense. I drive a car. The manufacturer calls is a "Ford", but it's a used car and when I 1st got into it I swore I could smell a hint of Strudel. Strudel is German (and delicious) therefore my car must obviously be a Mercedes, someone just mistakenly put a FORD symbol on it. That must be the case with these SOE ships.
So you see, your facts are invalid because of German pastries.
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3465
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Posted - 2013.11.25 13:16:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:El Geo wrote:
SOE ships are FACTION ships, SOE aren't a pirate organization so you can rub sh*t in your eyes and dress them up as pirate ships all you want, that doesnt make it true, and there are plenty of ways to get faction ships in highsec, although this has absolutly nothing to do with the question at hand.
SO ships are PIRATE, by all definitions in this game. They are combination of 2 racial bonuses and that makes them pirate ships. Even ccp calls them PIRATE ships. No other PIRATE ships can be bought in high sec. Only NAVY ships.
I wonder if that poster feels any embarrassment from making himself look like a *insert term here that ISDs might not like, be creative* in front of everyone?
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tiberiusric
Comply Or Die
47
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Posted - 2013.11.25 13:21:00 -
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they will come down in price eventually |
El Geo
Pathfinders.
180
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Posted - 2013.11.25 13:32:00 -
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A little yes, but I am a man and not infallible, last night I made a post out of curiosity which admittedly I should have worded better (I was tired ok!) and yes, for some reason I derped and was thinking pirate ships had pirate bonus's. However, I am sorry if it offends you or makes you mad but I still view the SOE ship as a non-pirate faction ship, as sisters are a non-pirate faction, this is my personal opinion. (I don't think Recons fit their description either, I expect you will be mad about that as well)
Feel free to keep posting, I especially like the posts where you try to insult me or insinuate I'm stupid. path-+find-+er (pthfndr, p+ñth-)n. 1. One that discovers a new course or way, especially through or into unexplored regions.
http://www.youtube.com/user/EvEPathfinders/videos?view=0 |
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