Greater risk = greater reward.

1. The Sanctuary guys made the ships, thus they sell them cheaper.
2. Yes, people doing missions with them can get the ships cheaper, but they have to mission in null sec, and there are not many agents around, and they have to somehow ship the ships to Empire to make profits, which is reasonably risky, and makes for interesting gameplay.
3. Cost is 33% less in null, which is not too unfair, as profits margins are such that it still makes sense to use Sister's LP.

It would be interesting to see some figures showing how many of the ships actually get bought in null.

This is sarcasm right?

Nope.

Come get your cheap ships.

Since the SOE ships are the only pirate faction (as bad as that title is for SOE) ships available from LP stores in highsec, CCP could always just follow the normal process and remove their availability.

Would that solve the problem for you?

In other words, you are getting access to the SOE ships in highsec outside normal arrangements for these types of factional ships, so stop complaining that they cost more. That's still better than the alternative.

You just need to push out the CFC. I know what you are thinking, it might be a little difficult, but think about all that LP!

I'm not known for my mission grinding or for that matter my mass of PvE activity, I've lived & roamed out of X-70 before and can do very easily as I please. My question is, considering that CCP upped 2 other SOE agents to level 4, why on earth would they then make it possible for only one station in the entirety of Eve to provide cheaper ships?

They only did that to take the stress off the one node.

They have also given a very important reason for people to hold onto that one system.

Which is? (I've asked a bunch of folks who have no idea and i've tried to look through the forums/devblogs before starting this thread so a bit of help and guidance would be helpful :) )

Nope.

Come get your cheap ships.

SOE ships are FACTION ships, SOE aren't a pirate organization so you can rub sh*t in your eyes and dress them up as pirate ships all you want, that doesnt make it true, and there are plenty of ways to get faction ships in highsec, although this has absolutly nothing to do with the question at hand.

33% isnt a huge difference when you consider the risk of running in null and the cost of shipping them down to HS. BUt yeh maybe 1 more station would help the situation a bit.

Now, are you (Baltec) saying that its a possible way to make that system strategic in some way?

Hold the system and deny access to everyone else and you hold an advantage over everyone else.

You don't think there is any other reasoning other than that?

Lol, you n00bs, in many cases taking more risk does grant greater rewards.

There are actually many level 4 pirate missions in nullsec that have excellent payouts.

Let me tell you guys all a dirty secret...

CFC space is full of beacons. These beacons identify where you can jump to and carry out trade on neutral alts without getting blown up. There's a reason why they have Jita-like prices in a number of systems in their space. It's because in those systems, they welcome traders with open arms. Hell, I never even scout my jump freighters there anymore. I've never had any problems. Goons love getting their markets seeded.

33% isnt a huge difference when you consider the risk of running in null and the cost of shipping them down to HS. BUt yeh maybe 1 more station would help the situation a bit.

No sh*t Sherlock. Yes, I'm fully aware of this fact as are most people that play Eve, although greater rewards come in the form of higher payouts not cheaper ships

- Easily cordoned off and controlled by powerbloc (this case the closest locally just so happen to be the CFC)

Maybe someone could shed some light on to why this is a good idea?

I havent seen a thread on this yet but its something thats been annoying me, I have tried but just can't see the reasoning behind this decision, I mean...

Pros:
- Can get the new sisters ships cheaper

Cons:
- Only one system in Eve has Sanctuary agents (Literally 1 station in the whole galaxy)
- Easily cordoned off and controlled by powerbloc (this case the closest locally just so happen to be the CFC)

Maybe someone could shed some light on to why this is a good idea?

If only there were some way of taking over space controlled by other players.

+1

Or some way to ignore the people who own the space, if only EVE had some kind of nullfied cruiser that could carry a mobile depot and refit to do missions......

I'm sorry for sarcasming up your sarcasm btw :) .

Someone explain to me why pirate faction ships are available in highsec in the first place.

The explanation may not include the words "because CCP was appealing to highsec mission runners," because that part is already obvious.

Becuase they are faction ships not pirate ships

So blind, so dumb

I see it as not a pirate ship because SOE aren't a pirate faction

and if I viewed it as having 2 separate 'racial' bonus's I still wouldn't see it as a faction ship because they are empire faction bonus's, not pirate faction bonus's

the issue I was asking about was the decision to make them available in only 1 station in the whole of new Eden

You choose to see it as a pirate ship because CCP tells you it is, their reasons are it uses 2 non-pirate faction racial bonus's.

In a nutshell, this is a new GÇÿpirate factionGÇÖ ship line from the Sisters of EVE.

I havent seen a thread on this yet but its something thats been annoying me, I have tried but just can't see the reasoning behind this decision, I mean...

Pros:
- Can get the new sisters ships cheaper

Cons:
- Only one system in Eve has Sanctuary agents (Literally 1 station in the whole galaxy)
- Easily cordoned off and controlled by powerbloc (this case the closest locally just so happen to be the CFC)

Maybe someone could shed some light on to why this is a good idea?

You choose to see it as a pirate ship because CCP tells you it is, their reasons are it uses 2 non-pirate faction racial bonus's.

I see it as not a pirate ship because SOE aren't a pirate faction, and if I viewed it as having 2 separate 'racial' bonus's I still wouldn't see it as a faction ship because they are empire faction bonus's, not pirate faction bonus's so please, spare me your opinion as it won't effect mine.

The issue isn't that I am not capable of going to nullsec and either killing ratters or running missions, nor is it that the closest nullsec bloc is the CFC, the issue I was asking about was the decision to make them available in only 1 station in the whole of new Eden which puts it in the position where its easy to control should someone desire to, which btw doesn't seem to be happening, the locals are the same guys who have lived there for the past year with a few randoms, no mass gate camps.

Doesn't matter. That's just (questionable) lore and is of no relevance to game mechanics. It's a pirate ship: it has no faction skills of its own and uses those of two actual races. It is balanced as a pirate ship.

GǪjust like every other pirate faction ship, you mean?


They're available form more stations than that.

keep talking Tippia, you'll be the only one reading

SOE ships are FACTION ships, SOE aren't a pirate organization so you can rub sh*t in your eyes and dress them up as pirate ships all you want, that doesnt make it true, and there are plenty of ways to get faction ships in highsec, although this has absolutly nothing to do with the question at hand.

Erm, can we use High Sec SOE LP's to get ships in Pure Blind from Sanctuary agents?

Nope...

Not that I didn't try hoping against hope.

Cons:
- Only one system in Eve has Sanctuary agents (Literally 1 station in the whole galaxy)
- Easily cordoned off and controlled by powerbloc (this case the closest locally just so happen to be the CFC)

aye ... true pirate factions be identified by saying yarrr a lot, the flying of the jolly rodger, the wearing of the black eye patch, the peg leg, the parrot and teh singing of the drunken sea shanty ...

Typical "going offtopic because i have been proven wrong and cant admit it" type post. You insisting on those ships not being a pirate faction ship doesn't change anything about the fact that CCP balanced them as such and even called them by that label. I mean... really? "Even though CCP said they are, they cannot be, cant you all see that!"...

SO ships are PIRATE, by all definitions in this game. They are combination of 2 racial bonuses and that makes them pirate ships. Even ccp calls them PIRATE ships.

No other PIRATE ships can be bought in high sec. Only NAVY ships.

A little yes, but I am a man and not infallible, last night I made a post out of curiosity which admittedly I should have worded better (I was tired ok!) and yes, for some reason I derped and was thinking pirate ships had pirate bonus's. However, I am sorry if it offends you or makes you mad but I still view the SOE ship as a non-pirate faction ship, as sisters are a non-pirate faction, this is my personal opinion. (I don't think Recons fit their description either, I expect you will be mad about that as well)

Feel free to keep posting, I especially like the posts where you try to insult me or insinuate I'm stupid.

I havent seen a thread on this yet but its something thats been annoying me, I have tried but just can't see the reasoning behind this decision, I mean...

Pros:
- Can get the new sisters ships cheaper

Cons:
- Only one system in Eve has Sanctuary agents (Literally 1 station in the whole galaxy)
- Easily cordoned off and controlled by powerbloc (this case the closest locally just so happen to be the CFC)

Maybe someone could shed some light on to why this is a good idea?

keep talking Tippia, you'll be the only one reading

in this matter, when are we seeing the SOE BS ?

I havent seen a thread on this yet but its something thats been annoying me, I have tried but just can't see the reasoning behind this decision, I mean...

Pros:
- Can get the new sisters ships cheaper

Cons:
- Only one system in Eve has Sanctuary agents (Literally 1 station in the whole galaxy)
- Easily cordoned off and controlled by powerbloc (this case the closest locally just so happen to be the CFC)

Maybe someone could shed some light on to why this is a good idea?