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Baaldor In Igne Morim Easily Excited 200	Posted - 2013.11.26 02:50:00 - [271] - Quote Cygnet Lythanea wrote: The Mittani wrote: Reality check: just because you're offended by something does not mean that you are entitled to anything on account of being offended~ Sadly this is true. If it wasn't, I'd have a necklace of certain player's frozen junk. (Ears are for amateurs. if you really want to send a message, use someone's ball sack to keep your pipe in.) I will however point out that I do feel that the whole thing was needless and in poor taste. And Mittens, we've all heard the Jagerbombs excuse. As you well know, 'I was drunk' doesn't wash with most judges when you're brought in for killing someone, directly or otherwise. That whole thing could have had very serious consequences, and not just for the poor shmuck you targeted. Further, I might point out that Ginger Magician (who the old players should at least vaguely remember) got a lifetime one for threatening someone's life in a far less serious manner than you did. His threat was laughable. You're might have actually driven the guy to suicide. Consider yourself lucky, and think twice before you put on your self righteous act when someone reminds you that you did that. Ginger was a repeat offender, perma banned then freed...then perma banned again. Not to mention he did that crap on a regular basis. Ginger was sober, Mittens was hammered.
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 6418	Posted - 2013.11.26 02:52:00 - [272] - Quote Mittens was wearing a pointy hat though. He could have fallen over and stabbed someone in the balls with it. EVE Online - An Unstable Game
Varius Xeral Galactic Trade Syndicate 1791	Posted - 2013.11.26 03:06:00 - [273] - Quote Malcanis is literally Pol Pot. Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 3696	Posted - 2013.11.26 03:18:00 - [274] - Quote Johnny Marzetti wrote: Coffee Rocks wrote: Proletariat Tingtango wrote: Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Wow. Goons, members of an organization that instills self esteem in it's members my the mere membership, something that we have seen in history before (ahem 1933-1945), saying that I am a member of such an organization. I am sensing a lot of latent butthurt over Mittani on this one. Get over it, guys. Your Fuhrer screwed the pooch and even admitted it. Though the unofficial charges of "bullying" I did not agree with, and his reasons for fighting this "charge" as he explained on Eve Radio I agree with. Meanwhile, you know not my past and activities enough so stop it with the SPLC-fueled hate speech on libertarian ideals. We libertarians are winning the war and when we fully take over, we have plans to leave you alone and let you do what you want so long as you don't hurt or steal from anybody. I know this is hard to take for some of you, but try to put some of that goon-fueled self-esteem building into real world use and let yourself believe you can survive in a world that lets you take care of yourself, take the credit for it, and be held responsible for your actions when you screw up. Just remain calm and breath through that cold sweat that builds up when you think about that and you'll get through this. Yeah, let's compare a video game organization to real world bad guys that murdered millions of people. That sounds awfully like something you know who might do. I was just thinking 2 things when I read that: 1) How did this turn into a "goons r evil" thread? Wasn't this started as Anti-Mal? Or is it customary now that every thread must have a reference to Goons and/or they're intentions to kill all puppies and kittens? 2) That took longer than I thought for a **** reference to come up on a flame thread. Any thread that lasts long enough on EveO invariably turns into a "grr goons" thread, particularly if people with an axe to grind like Mr. Himmler Wolfblitzer up there post in it. I don't have an axe to grind. But thanks for thinking I do. Meanwhile, 35000+ members and you have failed to destroy the game.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Academy The ROC 1641	Posted - 2013.11.26 03:23:00 - [275] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: I don't have an axe to grind. In which case your behavior is inexplicable. Pretty much all you do is ***** and moan about Goons and/or things they do. If you aren't butthurt, then you're insane. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 6422	Posted - 2013.11.26 03:26:00 - [276] - Quote I'd rather him moan about Goons than "protected classes" (which sounds more like a term from computer science rather than sociology-according-to-card-carrying-NRA-members). EVE Online - An Unstable Game
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Academy The ROC 1642	Posted - 2013.11.26 03:32:00 - [277] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: I'd rather him moan about Goons than "protected classes" (which sounds more like a term from computer science rather than sociology-according-to-card-carrying-NRA-members). Funny thing is, I both have an NRA membership(along with 6 firearms), and I am a libertarian, and I still have no idea where he gets some of this stuff. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Yonis Kador KADORCORP 340	Posted - 2013.11.26 03:35:00 - [278] - Quote So, as someone who has never been particularly concerned with what people think about what I have to say, I'd like to mention that I was taken aback by this CCP response: CCP Dolan wrote: Members of the CSM are encouraged to set an example for other players, but they are by no means required to do so. Really?? Really? Well why not? I'm happy to admit that 1) I agree Malcanis was a blunt instrument long before he was elected to the CSM and that I did not vote for him (no offense) in no small part because of his frequently negative, combative attitude and 2) that I am not calling for his removal in any way, shape or form. I didn't see anything that requires a response of that level. But with that being stated, I also think a diverse assortment of opinions are most-beneficial to the quality of player feedback. For the life of me, I cannot see how it is beneficial for CCP to have it's own representatives publicly state that civility is encouraged but not required. The game is cutthroat by design and the meta-game does extend to these forums. But the forums are also the best tool CCP has available to solicit customer feedback on an ongoing and immediate basis. The entire justification for the creation of the ISD was to ensure that the forums continue to run smoothly. So how can you have a policy of widespread forum moderation to ensure civil discourse specifically because of the benefits while simultaneously not requiring it from CSM representatives? Weaselior wrote: i cast a vote for malcanis both because he is not a fool and because he does not suffer them I also have to disagree with this. (Sorry, Weaselior.) A truly intelligent man, knowing he is wise, would suffer fools gladly. There is no reason people cannot disagree without being disagreeable and imo, it isn't unreasonable to expect the CSM (even moreso) to be held to an exacting standard. How is the community supposed to be able to bring their concerns to the CSM if they were all a bunch of raving jerks? Worse, if hordes of players come to believe uncouth behavior is the new cool and rude, discourteous behavior became the norm (even more than usual) - how is that going to be beneficial to CCP? Or us? I have no horse in this race. This isn't personal. But, imo, civility should be more than a suggestion for CSM members. Just my two cents. YK "Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines."
Rhes GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 421	Posted - 2013.11.26 03:36:00 - [279] - Quote I expect posting as bad as the OP to be dealt with by ISD. Apparently we don't always get what we want.
Benny Ohu Chaotic Tranquility Casoff 1861	Posted - 2013.11.26 03:51:00 - [280] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: I tried petitioning once to have the dash taken out of my name because my old alliance forums wouldn't let me register with a name that had one in it, but they also wouldn't let me use a name that didn't match with my character. No dice. I ended up just making an alt so I could register. They wouldn't let you register on the forum as James Amril Kesh? That's just grounds for AWOXing

Johnny Marzetti GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1514	Posted - 2013.11.26 03:52:00 - [281] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Meanwhile, 35000+ members and you have failed to destroy the game. Oh, another Murk Paradox alt. You're still the most boring troll. Edit: No, I take that back, when you talk about yourself you're pretty hilarious.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 12594	Posted - 2013.11.26 08:56:00 - [282] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: I don't think you've said anything he hasn't already heard a thousand times. Reported. 1 Kings 12:11
Signal11th DARKNESS. 1132	Posted - 2013.11.26 09:06:00 - [283] - Quote Malcanis wrote: SurrenderMonkey wrote: Well, I don't know about the rest of you, but this thread has certainly swayed my opinion. Next election, I'll be voting for Malcanis twice. It's a generous thought, but no you won't. I'll be back to calling out bad posts with wrong ideas in without the benefit of a special tag next year. Oh well back to voting for Darius then ...... Powered by-áreaTh-áFilter V1.23 "All posts by this pilot are personal held views and not representitive of-áany-ácorp or alliance I am currently a member of. Like I'd give a-ásh*t anyway. God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 12594	Posted - 2013.11.26 09:06:00 - [284] - Quote Yonis Kador wrote: For the life of me, I cannot see how it is beneficial for CCP to have it's own representatives publicly state that civility is encouraged but not required. You realise that CCP devs posted their own music video on youtube of them singing a song called "Harden The **** Up"? I'll tl;dr my response to your post with the following observation: Not all ideas and opinions are equal or deserving of equal respect. When people foul up discussion of important issues with wilfully ignorant and incorrect statements then they deserve to be made fully aware of their ignorance, and to be made to understand the lack of regard that they're held in, in the hope that this stops them from causing further damage and wasting more time. The fact that these persons have largely gone through life being told by well meaning persons that yes, their opinions count the same as everyone elses, and yes they should be treated with deference regardless of their own lack of respect for facts and the quality of debate means that it often comes as a dreadful shock when they finally meet someone who doesn't care to put up with their bullshit and exposes the inferiority of their opinion. 1 Kings 12:11
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 12594	Posted - 2013.11.26 09:07:00 - [285] - Quote Signal11th wrote: Malcanis wrote: SurrenderMonkey wrote: Well, I don't know about the rest of you, but this thread has certainly swayed my opinion. Next election, I'll be voting for Malcanis twice. It's a generous thought, but no you won't. I'll be back to calling out bad posts with wrong ideas in without the benefit of a special tag next year. Oh well back to voting for Darius then...... Give Banlish a chance. 1 Kings 12:11
Josef Djugashvilis Acme Mining Corporation 1580	Posted - 2013.11.26 09:17:00 - [286] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Yonis Kador wrote: For the life of me, I cannot see how it is beneficial for CCP to have it's own representatives publicly state that civility is encouraged but not required. You realise that CCP devs posted their own music video on youtube of them singing a song called "Harden The **** Up"? I'll tl;dr my response to your post with the following observation: Not all ideas and opinions are equal or deserving of equal respect. When people foul up discussion of important issues with wilfully ignorant and incorrect statements then they deserve to be made fully aware of their ignorance, and to be made to understand the lack of regard that they're held in, in the hope that this stops them from causing further damage and wasting more time. The fact that these persons have largely gone through life being told by well meaning persons that yes, their opinions count the same as everyone elses, and yes they should be treated with deference regardless of their own lack of respect for facts and the quality of debate means that it often comes as a dreadful shock when they finally meet someone who doesn't care to put up with their bullshit and exposes the inferiority of their opinion. The ego is strong in this one. This is not a signature.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Academy The ROC 1648	Posted - 2013.11.26 09:28:00 - [287] - Quote What ego? How do you determine that from his statements? "Stupid people's opinions matter less'? Or was it "if they pollute a discussion with their stupidity, the smart people should be allowed to make fun of them"? Quote: Not all ideas and opinions are equal or deserving of equal respect. Is pretty much the absolute truth. Sorry to tell you this, but your after school tv shows lied to you. Everyone doesn't count, not everyone's voice is equal, and other people are allowed to make fun of you for saying stupid things. Or, Joseph, is it preferable to you to have someone come in and **** up your discussions, and spout ignorance and idiocy all over the place? Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Josef Djugashvilis Acme Mining Corporation 1580	Posted - 2013.11.26 09:38:00 - [288] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: What ego? How do you determine that from his statements? "Stupid people's opinions matter less'? Or was it "if they pollute a discussion with their stupidity, the smart people should be allowed to make fun of them"? Quote: Not all ideas and opinions are equal or deserving of equal respect. Is pretty much the absolute truth. Sorry to tell you this, but your after school tv shows lied to you. Everyone doesn't count, not everyone's voice is equal, and other people are allowed to make fun of you for saying stupid things. Or, Joseph, is it preferable to you to have someone come in and **** up your discussions, and spout ignorance and idiocy all over the place? Good manners cost nothing. One can strongly disagree with a point of view and still treat that person with respect. This is not a signature.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 12599	Posted - 2013.11.26 09:46:00 - [289] - Quote Josef Djugashvilis wrote: The ego is strong in this one. Yes, agreed. However in the discussions, I ruthlessly apply some terribly unfair techniques: I use verifiable facts, I look at the arguments other people have made and check them for weaknesses, and if it's on a subject beyond my understanding (quantum superconductivity, how does it works??? wat is best solo T1 frigate? etc.), I pipe down. 1 Kings 12:11
Frying Doom 3404	Posted - 2013.11.26 09:46:00 - [290] - Quote CCP Dolan wrote: Members of the CSM are held to the EULA, TOS, and forum rules just like any other player. Members of the CSM are encouraged to set an example for other players, but they are by no means required to do so. Additionally, while I like to to think that I could conceive of what an "exemplary poster" would look like, I am not willing to force such a conception on others outside of the basic forum rules. So why was so much time wasted on the CSM White Paper if it is just there to be ignored? CSM White Paper wrote: CSM REPRESENTATIVE CONDUCT Any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the EULA or TOS by a CSM Representative is grounds for immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. There are no exceptions, regardless of the infraction. Representatives are not only expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow. Emphasis Mine This is why I will never vote for the CSM again. They are pointless and irrelevant, they are not the voice of the players, what did we get during the SOMER 'Redacted' scandal? Silence then a statement saying that because they got away with it for so long and they have stopped and that should be fine. Even though Somer is a business and is still in breach of the EULA. Now we learn the White Paper was just a huge waste of time. I cannot say I was surprised they did not have an 'Abstain' button in the last election, they wouldn't want the number of people who don't give a crap to get out and even then they only got 14% of the population to vote in a game where multiple accounts are the norm. Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Kaarous Aldurald ROC Academy The ROC 1648	Posted - 2013.11.26 09:46:00 - [291] - Quote Josef Djugashvilis wrote: Good manners cost nothing. One can strongly disagree with a point of view and still treat that person with respect. So, because manners are free, they should be the law? For what? So the stupid don't have to have their feelings hurt by being confronted with their stupidity? That's the thing, too. Stupidity isn't a point of view. It's just being wrong. If you coddle it like you seem to suggest, they'll never stop being wrong. What's worse, they'll inflict it on those around them. In particular on forums, wherein it is tantamount to a public service to facecheck people saying stupid things, such actions should not be punished. [edit: @Frying Doom. You were specifically contradicted, and the piece you keep quoting was referred to mean in game. Not forums. Drop the matter, you lost. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Solstice Project Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 4718	Posted - 2013.11.26 09:48:00 - [292] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Josef Djugashvilis wrote: The ego is strong in this one. Yes, agreed. However in the discussions, I ruthlessly apply some terribly unfair techniques: I use verifiable facts, I look at the arguments other people have made and check them for weaknesses, and if it's on a subject beyond my understanding (quantum superconductivity, how does it works??? wat is best solo T1 frigate? etc.), I pipe down. Hahahahaha, moron has no clue about quantum superconductivity ! (i just had to ... xD)
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 12599	Posted - 2013.11.26 09:49:00 - [293] - Quote Josef Djugashvilis wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: What ego? How do you determine that from his statements? "Stupid people's opinions matter less'? Or was it "if they pollute a discussion with their stupidity, the smart people should be allowed to make fun of them"? Quote: Not all ideas and opinions are equal or deserving of equal respect. Is pretty much the absolute truth. Sorry to tell you this, but your after school tv shows lied to you. Everyone doesn't count, not everyone's voice is equal, and other people are allowed to make fun of you for saying stupid things. Or, Joseph, is it preferable to you to have someone come in and **** up your discussions, and spout ignorance and idiocy all over the place? Good manners cost nothing. One can strongly disagree with a point of view and still treat that person with respect. One can, but the sad fact is that people with bad opinions are, as a general class, sadly unable to distinguish between being told that they have a bad opinion and that they are a bad person. Also, patience is a finite quantity. 1 Kings 12:11
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 12599	Posted - 2013.11.26 09:50:00 - [294] - Quote Frying Doom wrote: CCP Dolan wrote: Members of the CSM are held to the EULA, TOS, and forum rules just like any other player. Members of the CSM are encouraged to set an example for other players, but they are by no means required to do so. Additionally, while I like to to think that I could conceive of what an "exemplary poster" would look like, I am not willing to force such a conception on others outside of the basic forum rules. So why was so much time wasted on the CSM White Paper if it is just there to be ignored? CSM White Paper wrote: CSM REPRESENTATIVE CONDUCT Any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the EULA or TOS by a CSM Representative is grounds for immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. There are no exceptions, regardless of the infraction. Representatives are not only expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow. Emphasis Mine This is why I will never vote for the CSM again. They are pointless and irrelevant, they are not the voice of the players, what did we get during the SOMER 'Redacted' scandal? Silence then a statement saying that because they got away with it for so long and they have stopped and that should be fine. Even though Somer is a business and is still in breach of the EULA. Now we learn the White Paper was just a huge waste of time. I cannot say I was surprised they did not have an 'Abstain' button in the last election, they wouldn't want the number of people who don't give a crap to get out and even then they only got 14% of the population to vote in a game where multiple accounts are the norm. I'm sure that we can rely on this promise as absolutely as your promise to stay out of CSM politics after the CSM 7 election. 1 Kings 12:11
Lady Areola Fappington New Order Logistics CODE. 881	Posted - 2013.11.26 09:51:00 - [295] - Quote You know, I don't know bout you guys, but I'd want someone around willing to say "You're dumb. This is why you're dumb. Here is how to avoid being dumb in the future". Beats the hell out of some ass-patting that, while making me feel good, leaves me wallowing in my ignorance. Guess my parents made sure I got enough Vitamin "HTFU" as a child. The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP).
Solstice Project Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 4718	Posted - 2013.11.26 09:54:00 - [296] - Quote Lady Areola Fappington wrote: You know, I don't know bout you guys, but I'd want someone around willing to say "You're dumb. This is why you're dumb. Here is how to avoid being dumb in the future". Beats the hell out of some ass-patting that, while making me feel good, leaves me wallowing in my ignorance. Guess my parents made sure I got enough Vitamin "HTFU" as a child. pats your ass hm ... nice. squeezes oh yeah ! Done eating breakfast, back to your regular scheduled bullshit.
Frying Doom 3404	Posted - 2013.11.26 09:55:00 - [297] - Quote Malcanis wrote: I'm sure that we can rely on this promise as absolutely as your promise to stay out of CSM politics after the CSM 7 election. I will not stay out of politics but I will not vote. CSM 7 was a PR front for CCP but hell they were nothing compared to you people in the CSM8s cheerleader squad. I noticed that now there is nothing important to post about you lot have magically appeared on the forums again. Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Academy The ROC 1649	Posted - 2013.11.26 09:55:00 - [298] - Quote Lady Areola Fappington wrote: You know, I don't know bout you guys, but I'd want someone around willing to say "You're dumb. This is why you're dumb. Here is how to avoid being dumb in the future". Beats the hell out of some ass-patting that, while making me feel good, leaves me wallowing in my ignorance. Guess my parents made sure I got enough Vitamin "HTFU" as a child. My parents put it similarly. "If you're wrong and you are corrected, be happy, because now you aren't wrong anymore." Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Academy The ROC 1649	Posted - 2013.11.26 10:00:00 - [299] - Quote Frying Doom wrote: I will not stay out of politics but I will not vote. That's called whining. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Frying Doom 3405	Posted - 2013.11.26 10:06:00 - [300] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Frying Doom wrote: I will not stay out of politics but I will not vote. That's called whining. Thats like saying you would vote for someone like the former leader of Iraq, there was a voting system, there which allowed you to vote in a Turd too. In this case you are just voting for people to act as a PR meat shield for CCP, nothing more, nothing less. Yes sure they post a complaint about CCP publicly right before they spend day after day defending CCP. The CSM is a joke, the White Paper CSM7 spent so long on is apparently only good for toilet paper. The CSM just needs to go, it does not represent the players, it just represents CCP and spends its time making excuses for CCPs actions. Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!



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