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Ricdic	Posted - 2006.02.25 13:16:00 - [1] Hello everyone. I was recently on the ships channel having a chat about 2 hulk mining barges I currently have sitting in a hangar , that I never have time to use any more. Rather than sell them off, I have decided to rent them out. If all goes well , I will add more rental ships to the fleet. Unfortunately, due to their expensive costs, they will of course require a bond or security. If one was to choose the cash direction, the amount for deposit would be 515 million isk. In terms of securities, each case would need to present their cases individually. Now, while you hold the barge/s they are your responsibility. Take them to 0.0 or lowsec if you choose, however if they perish, the deposit is non-refundable. Damage is also the loanee's responsibility to repair. Now, each Hulk Mining Barge will come fitted with the following * 3 Modulated Deep Core Strip Miner II * 6 Tritanium Mining Crystal II's * 6 Scordite Mining Crystal II's * 6 Plagioclase Mining Crystal II's * 1 small shield booster * 1 thermal / 1 kinetic shield hardener (named) * 1 cap recharger I * 2 Mining Laser Upgrade module I's You can re-outfit the ships in any way that you like, as long as they return with the modules given (with the exception of the mining crystals, they come free to keep with the package). Now, for your security deposit, you get the Hulk, and the modules, all ready to mine the second you undock. Pricing Hulk Daily Costs = 10 million isk Hulk Weekly Costs = 38 million isk Rent both Hulks for one day = 15 million isk Rent both Hulks for one week = 60 million isk Now, these costs are to be paid in advance. Therefore, if you claim a Hulk for a 1 week period, in total you will be paying 515+38 = 553 million isk. Upon return of the hulk intact with modules still fitted, you will recieve your 515 million isk back. With the exception of mining crystals, missing modules will be charged if not replaced. These charges will simply be market value. The main modules requiring replacing obviously being the t2 strips. Here are my terms and conditions. Please contact me either here or online for further information or to book a Hulk. As of this moment two of the ships are available for immediate deployment. ------------------------------------------ Dreadnought Production INC is recruiting Join DPI Channel Or Visit (IGB) http://www.mmorpg-online.net/intro.html
chingon	Posted - 2006.02.25 13:20:00 - [2] very nice idea Ricdic free bump Ö By Lardarz B'stard
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.02.25 13:40:00 - [3] couldn't people just buy a hulk for 500mil, mine for a week, and resell at the end if they dnt want it for longer? sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:\|. - Teblin
Ricdic	Posted - 2006.02.25 13:44:00 - [4] They could do, but that would mean finding buyers etc, and waiting days-weeks for the Hulk to sell. In my case the barge is simply escrowed back to me at deposit price once the person has finished their rental period. No hassles, and easy to get started mining. Great for mining ops, and corps wanting to crank out some production to build big ships. There will be cheaper costs for repeat customers, including both deposit and rental costs, and the deposit will drop as the market does. With the option of a security, this means that ie a player with a CN Raven can use his raven to back the barges if he wants to spend a week getting some cash together to get back into pvp/missions etc, without having to commit to a sale. ------------------------------------------ Dreadnought Production INC is recruiting Join DPI Channel Or Visit (IGB) http://www.mmorpg-online.net/intro.html
Sir JoJo	Posted - 2006.02.25 13:44:00 - [5] Originally by: HippoKing couldn't people just buy a hulk for 500mil, mine for a week, and resell at the end if they dnt want it for longer? who say those ppl have 500 mill? Bringing pain to a place near you
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.02.25 14:01:00 - [6] fair enough sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:\|. - Teblin
ZilverFox	Posted - 2006.02.25 14:21:00 - [7] Good ideer, but to expensive. The extra 15% mining you can do in one of those, arent worth paying 10mill a day for ill say. You gotta mine for 2-3 hours jsut to pay you off, and then you can start mining for yourself.
Ricdic	Posted - 2006.02.25 14:38:00 - [8] Originally by: ZilverFox Good ideer, but to expensive. The extra 15% mining you can do in one of those, arent worth paying 10mill a day for ill say. You gotta mine for 2-3 hours jsut to pay you off, and then you can start mining for yourself. What kind of pricing would you suggest? 2 of these hulks mines the equivalent (full skills) of close to 3.7 covetor maxed out barges. What kind of pricing do you people think would be appreciated by the players? ------------------------------------------ Dreadnought Production INC is recruiting Join DPI Channel Or Visit (IGB) http://www.mmorpg-online.net/intro.html
Stulmar Eskanti	Posted - 2006.02.25 14:53:00 - [9] I think it`s a great ideea, for a person that has a mining alt and gets some time off pvp to mine it`s very usefull. 10 mil per days is nothing compared to what profit u make mining in 0.0, getting them there in one piece is the trixie part
Ricdic	Posted - 2006.02.25 15:00:00 - [10] Yeh. Will hold off on pricing changes for the moment, will see if we get any interest in the matter. Regardless of above, pricing is an issue I am willing to barter on, however the deposit is something I have to be really carefull with. For every day the barges are out of service, I could hypothetically be making cash off them, so at the very least to get the ball rolling , I am more than happy to take offers in regards to the rentals until we get established. Now, due to the fact that escrow isnt exactly the best way to do 1 day rentals (ie customer claiming escrow as soon as I place it, and then dumping it precisely 24 hours is not feasible). The way I am thinking of, is for 1 day rentals, to allow a 1 day give/take period. This means that I place a 1 day escrow to the person claiming the rental. From the end of that 24 hour period (escrow), i will have a 24 hour period imposed on that. This would ultimately allow a person to get 2 days out of a 1 day rental if they were to claim asap. Like I said, I am flexible on rentals, and definetly open to suggestions, as always when starting a new venture that hasnt been seen before in Eve(which seems to happen at least once a month). ------------------------------------------ Dreadnought Production INC is recruiting Join DPI Channel Or Visit (IGB) http://www.mmorpg-online.net/intro.html
Red Ladeen	Posted - 2006.02.25 21:55:00 - [11] Originally by: ZilverFox Good ideer, but to expensive. The extra 15% mining you can do in one of those, arent worth paying 10mill a day for ill say. You gotta mine for 2-3 hours jsut to pay you off, and then you can start mining for yourself. 2-3 hours? really? I can make 2M an hour mining Veldspar in a Scythe. And this thing can do 3 times that. So, yeah, mining Veldspar, it'll take you 1 hour and 40 minutes to pay the rental. That sounds damned reasonable to me.
Oppenheimerr	Posted - 2006.02.25 22:31:00 - [12] Edited by: Oppenheimerr on 25/02/2006 22:30:59 Neat idea, bit expensive though.
Ricdic	Posted - 2006.02.25 23:41:00 - [13] Hi guys, due to large request I have slashed my prices by close to 30%. Remember, that with a 1 day rental, if you claim it as I place the escrow, you are in essence getting 2 days of service, for the price of one So with a 1 day rental on a barge, you need to pay 3.5m a day to keep it for that 1 day period. Who will be my first customer? ------------------------------------------ Dreadnought Production INC is recruiting Join DPI Channel Or Visit (IGB) http://www.mmorpg-online.net/intro.html
Ricdic	Posted - 2006.02.26 13:10:00 - [14] bump for my product. Lets get the ball rolling guys. The first 2 rentals (ie both barges in service) will be given for 4 million isk / day, or 18 million isk / week. If someone decides to take up my #1 lucky customer deal and take both barges at once, I am willing to drop the price a little more ------------------------------------------ Dreadnought Production INC is recruiting Join DPI Channel Or Visit (IGB) http://www.mmorpg-online.net/intro.html
Xinity	Posted - 2006.02.26 14:00:00 - [15] Very nice deal :D Wish I thought of that Though only problem I see is the deposit as most miners don't have 500mill to spare :( And renting out without the deposit is just plain stupid. Hope you get this off the feet :) ---------- CEO - X-Trans ----------
Malena	Posted - 2006.02.26 20:10:00 - [16] free bump for a great idea...for what it is worth, I agree with the above poster...most miners who would have the skills for this likely don't have 500 mil for deposit. But you have to protect investment, so not sure how you would solve it. Great idea though
Eric Secundus	Posted - 2006.02.26 23:31:00 - [17] Edited by: Eric Secundus on 26/02/2006 23:33:03 Great idea, been thinking about doing the same myself earlier in my time on EVE. Only problem i had was the one that was pointed out to you by the two previous posters: cash for security deposit.. Who has 500 mill lying around? And if they do, AND they have all those mining skills. Why dont they buy their OWN hulk..? So lets hope the contract system that comes into play in the next patch/update will help rentals like this become practically possible. Because the idea is great, and seeing this thread made me smile - I don't argue with morons. They just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience -
Mesasone	Posted - 2006.02.27 08:01:00 - [18] Edited by: Mesasone on 27/02/2006 08:02:42 I think the people who are complaining about the security deposit are looking at this the wrong way. Putting 500m down on the deposit is not the same as actually have 500m of your own. Heres how I see it: 5 guys want to make some cash. They have access to 0.0 space with high end ores; crokite, bistot or arkonor. They each pool together roughly 220m to rent both of the barges for a week, which is pretty reasonable in my opinion. Now, they transport both of the barges out to where ever they have prospected to mine, two of them running the barges, one hauling to a POS or station, and the other two running protection. They spend the next week mining, bringing in billions in high end minerals. Return the barges, each get their portion of the security deposit back. And split the proceeds of the mining op to walk away with mucho cash. Also, it would take over four months straight (assuming 28m a week) of renting one of these barges for it equal the cost of buying one. Which makes this a great option for people who are not full time miners, but rather only occaisonally mine to finance PVP, or their PVP main. Anyway, great idea and a free bump Silly mods, sigs are for wabbits.
Ricdic	Posted - 2006.02.27 14:52:00 - [19] Thanks for the support guys. I think a lot of people are looking at this the wrong way. While the deposit may seem a little steep, it is just a deposit. Not to mention that I am happy to accept securities instead of isk. Majority of our players over 6-9 months old are bound to hold at least 500m worth of assets. Here is an opportunity to "hock" your asset, in order to loan one of my products. Once you finish with the product, regain your prized assets, as I will reclaim mine, and you can leave knowing that you have made cash without needing to actually sell all of your assets, not to mention the fact that you can brag to your friends that you used the most powerfull by far mining ship in the game. ------------------------------------------ Dreadnought Production INC is recruiting Join DPI Channel Or Visit (IGB) http://www.mmorpg-online.net/intro.html
ZilverFox	Posted - 2006.02.27 22:59:00 - [20] Edited by: ZilverFox on 27/02/2006 23:00:35
M'aressi malakia	Posted - 2006.02.28 17:48:00 - [21] Great idea for a new service - wish I had the skills to use it! Free bump for innovation!
Ricdic	Posted - 2006.03.01 01:37:00 - [22] Thanks for the bump. This rental service doesn't seem to be moving in the direction I had planned for it. Will give it another week or two and see if any of the general public decide to take the plunge. ------------------------------------------ Dreadnought Production INC is recruiting Join DPI Channel Or Visit (IGB) http://www.mmorpg-online.net/intro.html
Mshraks	Posted - 2006.03.01 06:16:00 - [23] Sorry mate i will stick with my covetor fitted with 2 beta hull cargo expanders( 6200 m3). Making on a good day between 24-30 million with it 7-8 hours mining and watching Tv and eating at the same time. Never going to pay or rent a "HULK" for 300-500 million ISK`s. Not worth it.
Mortania	Posted - 2006.03.01 07:40:00 - [24] You're not renting it for 500M, you're renting it for 3M a day. The 500M is just a deposit that you get back when you return the ship. He has to protect his investment, doesn't someone walking off with a dirt cheap Hulk. The problem I see with the whole thing is that someone who can FLY a Hulk and HAS 500M, is probably just going to buy one in the first place.
Froyolo	Posted - 2006.03.01 09:59:00 - [25] i can fly one aswell as buy one, however this guy provides people wit hthe opportunity for a testdrive, which you hardly ever get the chance for with these expensive t2 ships. Too bad its too much of a hassle to get it safely in and out of .0 space otherwise i would have definately have a go at this :)
Full	Posted - 2006.03.02 19:39:00 - [26] Hi Ricdic, nice post, if it dont work out Target are currently looking for Hulks eve mail me an offer for the ship or ships you have looking for 2 more. hope all goes well Full CEO of Target Mining Inc
Ricdic	Posted - 2006.03.03 09:36:00 - [27] Originally by: Full Hi Ricdic, nice post, if it dont work out Target are currently looking for Hulks eve mail me an offer for the ship or ships you have looking for 2 more. hope all goes well Full CEO of Target Mining Inc Hi Full, will convo you in game in about 4 hours when i get home from work. We should be able to sort something out. Regards Ricdic ------------------------------------------ Dreadnought Production INC is recruiting Join DPI Channel Or Visit (IGB) http://www.mmorpg-online.net/intro.html
Full	Posted - 2006.03.03 10:12:00 - [28] Will be on from 630pm tonight Friday 3rd March
Phlax	Posted - 2006.03.04 00:13:00 - [29] I am interested in renting one (1) hulk for one day. But I am interested if you will deliver? In empire of course (0.9+), cause I would not want to eat up my time flying the ship to my low end mining area. contact in game for I only check forums once in awhile.
Ricdics	Posted - 2006.03.09 15:01:00 - [30] Bumpage, all the barges are currently available for rental. Regards (sorry for Second Main post)
Ricdic	Posted - 2006.03.10 03:28:00 - [31] Bump again ------------------------------------------ Dreadnought Production INC is recruiting Join DPI Channel Or Visit (IGB) http://www.mmorpg-online.net/intro.html
Brother Glovius	Posted - 2006.03.13 17:13:00 - [32] What an interesting idea but what about this an another option: How about asking the renter to put down 515 mil as you stated but instead of using the whole amount as a deposit, use 263 mil as a deposit and the remaining 252 mil as an escrow-deposit. Instead of charging 28 million isk for the weekly rental fee, you charge half of that to the customer and take the other half from their escrow-deposit until theyÆve used it all up. This will offer the customer more of an incentive to hang on to the rental. I refer to the escrow as an escrow-deposit because should anything happen to the Hulk during its rental period, the remaining escrow-deposit is retained to cover the costs of the Hulk in addition to the deposit. So, should the renter hang on to the Hulk for the full 18 weeks, you stand to make 504 million isk. After that, the rental fee goes back to 28 mil. Now in most cases, you will get people turning in the hulk as soon as the rental price returns to 28 mil. So you can offset this by changing the repay rate. So for instance, you could have them put down 515 as before but 389 mil will act as the deposit and the remaining 126mil will act as the escrow-deposit amount. Now youÆre probably thinking, why would I do this, my way is better. I would certainly agree with you if you want the money faster but if you get any business at all, you are going have a high return rate. Players will more than likely return it rather quickly once they get what they need for it: namely enough funds to buy a hulk themselves. However, with my suggestion, the renter has more of an incentive to hang on to the rental agreement. Since their money is working for them by helping offset their rental costs and they get to keep more of the profits for themselves as they mine with the hulk, it makes it easier to hang on to the rental agreement and not only work their way into a hulk themselves but perhaps fund for themselves more of what they need before they get the hulk. In either event, based on the time element, you stand to make the same amount. If you follow your current method, after four weeks, you would make 112 mil and return 515 mil deposit. Using my method, you would make 112 mil and return 459 mil of the deposit. The difference is with customer satisfaction: he doesn't have to come up with such a hefty amount right away (515+28 mil) nor does he have to continue to pay 28 mil every week. Instead, he pays 515+12 mil and then 14 mil every week. This is just a suggestion. Of course, it involves more paper work for you but I like that kinda stuff. I really like your idea and as a Skiff producer, I think IÆm going to make the same offer. IÆm gonna give ya props though, Im gonna title it: A Ricdic Rental Agreement.
Lord Dynastron	Posted - 2006.03.13 20:56:00 - [33] That is a really cool idea! I just wish I had 500 million! Dang-diddly! When I get that much cash I will look you up. This would be a good way to spend spring break. =)
Rautha Harkonnen	Posted - 2006.03.25 21:23:00 - [34] well. u could do 0.0 hire and empire space hire. at differnt prices. i suppose the only problem in that is trust.... or u could let the person hire the hulk in a certain empire system for the day.... that way u can monitor movements. meens they can mine in empire for a hire price, and 0.0 for a differnt hire price. like the guy said, 3 hours u gotta mine just to make the money back for the hire in empire... thats ****e really. my idea could work, but like i said ud have to monitor the person u hired it out too.
JACK DARK	Posted - 2006.03.26 11:21:00 - [35] there seems to be one thing missing,, so the toatl we give for a weeks rental is just over 540 mill if i were to rent one,what happens if you dont take it back,, ive just paid a silly ammount for a hulk, just a thought

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