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Riley Craven
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Posted - 2006.02.25 20:28:00 -
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Edited by: Riley Craven on 25/02/2006 20:33:18
After giving this topic considerable thought and not finding any resources on the forums that meet the needs of what I am trying to accomplish, I humbly request someoneÆs assistance with this endeavor.
The goal is to write a program that will calculate the most efficient way to mine. For example, lets say I want to mine for a raven.
I input into the program i need 7mil trit, 2mil prye, etc. Well looking at the refining table it would not be smart to mine veldspar to get trit because scordite gives a fair amount of trit and prye while not being significantly heavier. Other ores also give trit while giving me more valuable types of mins. So to mine the most efficiently it might be in my best interest to mine scordite solely and no veld at all.
The factors needing to be looked at would be what amounts of mineral you get per refine, and how heavy the ore is. The second factor is crucial because when looking at the refine table its better to mine hemorphite for nox than it is for orchre because it weighs a fraction of the amount even though it gives less per refine. The program would also have to factor in all the ores in the game as well. So because I need mex I might need to mine only 1mil scordite because plag gives me some prye.
Also I need to be able to tell the program I dont have access to a certain type of ore. For example I dont have acces to either of the H ores but everything else,
What I am asking for is a way to program this into equation format. Thank you for your time.
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babyblue
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Posted - 2006.02.25 23:33:00 -
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It's often more complicated than that, because you have to factor in being more efficient to keep an operation going in a given belt rather than to haul and move to another looking for a specific ore. There are exceptions of course, particularly when mining Ark, Crok, Bist or Morph. The thing I used to do is go to a belt with all of the minerals you need in it and just strip everything around you. Make bookmarks to the best spots in a system to do this. The minerals will soon pile up and just make certain mineral types priority as and when the need arises.
Sometimes by being too organised you end up being less flexible and ultimately less productive.
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Riley Craven
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Posted - 2006.02.26 00:03:00 -
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While you make a very good observation; your point is irrelevant. The point of the program was to find out just how much of each ore one needed to mine in order to hit a target amount. However the program woul already have factored your problem in because I could select which ore i had access to and which I didnt. Please refine from derailing this thread.
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babyblue
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Posted - 2006.02.26 00:58:00 -
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 Originally by: Riley Craven
While you make a very good observation; your point is irrelevant. The point of the program was to find out just how much of each ore one needed to mine in order to hit a target amount. However the program woul already have factored your problem in because I could select which ore i had access to and which I didnt. Please refine from derailing this thread.
You requested information on a program to make your mining more efficient, while I was merely pointing out that there is more to being efficient than simply crunching the stats. Really, I speak from experience. Therefore the thread was not de-railed.
There used to be an ore calculator program on Eve-I I think, but I don't know what happened to it since that site has died. It's just a case of putting the numbers in in reverse. Instead of `I mine this much, what minerals do I get', you need to ask 'I need these minerals, how much do I need to mine'. Given this, it's a simple matter to see what ores would get you to that goal with greater speed. I'm sure there are tools somewhere. Indeed a lot of corps have simple spreadsheets that do this kind of thing. Perhaps a post on another forum would get a better response.
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DrDimeBar
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Posted - 2006.02.26 02:35:00 -
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Edited by: DrDimeBar on 26/02/2006 02:39:22
I made a spreadsheet in excel, that you put in how much you needed, and it then worked out how much jaspet needed mining, then cascaded the extras (trit, pyer etc) over to the next, so it then calculated how much omber was needed for the iso. By the time it got down to how much veld was needed, it had essentially reduced the total trit at this stage due to the jasp, omber, plag (eugh), and scord that it had already needed for the other parts
the problems are it needs tailoring depending on which ores you mine, as it would have been very awkward to have a mixture of say, jaspet and pyrox for the nox needs.
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Smooth
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Posted - 2006.02.26 06:43:00 -
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Originally by: Riley Craven
Please refine from derailing this thread.
Hahahaha... SOMEONE has manufacturing on the mind, eh?
Freudian Slips for the win!
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Validus Rackham
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Posted - 2006.02.26 07:50:00 -
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I found a program a while back that sounds pretty much like what you are looking for. It hasn't been updated in a while but you can enter your own requirements for minerals and still have it tell you the required amounts of various ores.
Hope this helps:
Mining & Production Application v3.1.0
Credit goes to Monkey Nut for the program.
Originally by: Capsicum
No Wrangler, anything but the whip ... anything 
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Sonreir
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Posted - 2006.02.26 08:10:00 -
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I've written one as well for my own use. Lemme know if you want a copy.
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Helene Troi
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Posted - 2006.02.26 11:12:00 -
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In theory:
#1 Mine for the mineral you need in the least quantity first.
#2 Then mine for the second least quantity of mineral required.
#3 and so on...
#4 In this way when you arrive at topping up your tritanium quota by mining veldspar you will be mining the minimum ammount needed...
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StoreSlem
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Posted - 2006.02.26 13:40:00 -
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Originally by: Riley Craven
While you make a very good observation; your point is irrelevant. The point of the program was to find out just how much of each ore one needed to mine in order to hit a target amount. However the program woul already have factored your problem in because I could select which ore i had access to and which I didnt. Please refine from derailing this thread.
Lmao, some of a grateful fellow you are.
I'll give you a tip though; at all times, mine the most profitable ore you have access to. Ie, arkonor which needs 15 jumps hauling probably isn't more profitable than mining veldspar with an in-system station, but maybe you have a 0.0 refining pos with ark in system, then by all means just mine, mine, mine, then sell any excess mega, morphite and zyd, and buy rest from market.
It's the most efficient way, and I get the impression you want to lay down some work in this to work as efficiently as possible. Mine high-ends and buy low-ends, that is the way to go mate.
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Riley Craven
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Posted - 2006.02.26 21:51:00 -
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Lmao, some of a grateful fellow you are.
I'll give you a tip though; at all times, mine the most profitable ore you have access to. Ie, arkonor which needs 15 jumps hauling probably isn't more profitable than mining veldspar with an in-system station, but maybe you have a 0.0 refining pos with ark in system, then by all means just mine, mine, mine, then sell any excess mega, morphite and zyd, and buy rest from market.
It's the most efficient way, and I get the impression you want to lay down some work in this to work as efficiently as possible. Mine high-ends and buy low-ends, that is the way to go mate.
Erg, this is the exact reason I hate posting on the forums, I have been playing eve for over a year now. I know the best way to do things and not do them. The goal was to see how it could be done from a programming point of view. Not how to be the most efficient time wise. There are different kinds of efficency.
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Riley Craven
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Posted - 2006.02.26 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Validus Rackham
I found a program a while back that sounds pretty much like what you are looking for. It hasn't been updated in a while but you can enter your own requirements for minerals and still have it tell you the required amounts of various ores.
Hope this helps:
Mining & Production Application v3.1.0
Credit goes to Monkey Nut for the program.
The links on this site all seem dead. Thnx tho
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Riley Craven
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Posted - 2006.02.26 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: Helene Troi
In theory:
#1 Mine for the mineral you need in the least quantity first.
#2 Then mine for the second least quantity of mineral required.
#3 and so on...
#4 In this way when you arrive at topping up your tritanium quota by mining veldspar you will be mining the minimum ammount needed...
Hm this is a very good suggestion. Hadnt thought about it doing it that way, Thnx mate.
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