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Weirda	Posted - 2006.02.26 23:25:00 - [31] Edited by: Weirda on 26/02/2006 23:26:38 first off - great to see you back malka! next: a lot of engagements are short... really short... if you are flying with a couple of friend, or even by youself in like vessel matchup - that couple % can give you an edge... especially if you put higher damaging (t2) ammo in there. that said - weirda fly with 150s... and often 125s edit: the same can be said for 425s (cruiser) and 800s (bs)... for that matter. on some ships with extra fitting and/or tracking bonus/grid they can be worth it... __ Weirda Assault Ship deserve a 4th Bonus and More!
Lodhi	Posted - 2006.02.26 23:32:00 - [32] Originally by: j0sephine "Exactally my point? What was the purpose of your post if all you stated was exactally what I put in my first post? That the 150mms have more DoT, more DpS, more tracking, less fitting, and only have less damage right after a reload." I don't see you state anything about 200mm autos having temporary advantage every now and then in your first post, sorry. It's all to the tune of "what's the point of 200 mm when 150 mm are always better, just look at my math that proves it /o\" Had you actually stated in your OP what you now claim you did, there'd have been no reason for me to reply pointing that out, simple as that. J0s there is no point even trying to argue with him/her. Bet there will be another omg in leavzoring post in a couple weeks.
Amarr Citizen 105	Posted - 2006.02.26 23:33:00 - [33] Originally by: Malka Badi'a Did you just miss naughty's post? Or are you that blind in reading comprehsion? The 200mms only catch up per 150mm reload briefly, but are quickly overtaken again and again by the 150mms Major PMT.
danneh	Posted - 2006.02.26 23:42:00 - [34] Originally by: Meridius /signed Nerf 150mm's, they are clearly overpowered.
Harry Voyager	Posted - 2006.02.27 00:49:00 - [35] Lasers are borked because lasers are borked, not because blasters or autos are uberdom. As for the 200mm/425mm/800mm, they have the advantage of offering the same performance for significantly less ammo consumption, compaired to the next step down. As such, they are significantly better with T2 ammo, or when going on extended opperations, where ammo consumption becomes a concern. As it is, I think projectiles really need a clip size boost. Harry Voyager
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.02.27 00:58:00 - [36] Originally by: Abbey Smallwood Which begs the question.. Why do 150mm light autocannon 2's sell for nothing while the 200mm's are worth 1mil or so. because 99% of EVE doesn't know about the maths behind them :) Originally by: Zzazzt Originally by: thoth foc PA doesnt stand for anything.. Punchbag Alliance...
Foulis	Posted - 2006.02.27 01:32:00 - [37] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Abbey Smallwood Which begs the question.. Why do 150mm light autocannon 2's sell for nothing while the 200mm's are worth 1mil or so. because 99% of EVE doesn't know about the maths behind them :) And makes my jaguar that much cheaper to fit =D ---- I like pie. Cake > Pie - Imaran Originally by: CCP Hammer Boobies
Grimpak	Posted - 2006.02.27 01:54:00 - [38] Originally by: Harry Voyager Lasers are borked because lasers are borked, not because blasters or autos are uberdom. As for the 200mm/425mm/800mm, they have the advantage of offering the same performance for significantly less ammo consumption, compaired to the next step down. As such, they are significantly better with T2 ammo, or when going on extended opperations, where ammo consumption becomes a concern. As it is, I think projectiles really need a clip size boost. Harry Voyager IMHO the changes in the proj guns should be smth like this: double all guns' clipsize. increase RoF of the lower tier arties (250/650/1200) (it's debatable tho.) further increase by 50% the clipsize of the high-tier AC's (from 40 EMP shell capacity to 60 EMP shell capacity for example) increase the damage mod of the high-tier arties and nerfing the RoF a bit, thus making the 1400's the alpha-strikers of old. (debatable too tho) ---------------- Originally by: Abdalion Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
Malka Badi'a	Posted - 2006.02.27 02:06:00 - [39] I can understand the counter-argument of it needing less ammo to get the job done, but are we to assume that is it's only strength? If so, 200mms ftl --------------
Foulis	Posted - 2006.02.27 02:14:00 - [40] Its strength is that it does more damage per shot, weakness is that it has lower tracking. DPS is negligibly different over time. ---- I like pie. Cake > Pie - Imaran Originally by: CCP Hammer Boobies

Imhotep Khem	Posted - 2006.03.05 16:07:00 - [41] bigger guns have worse tracking. But if you are webbing/painting/enhancing tracking, then bigger guns get more benefit. Also Ammo Volume EMP 0.010 Phased Plasma 0.085 Fusion 0.075 Small ammo means less reloading. So if you have reason to use Fusion, then you are even less likely to be reloading. ____ If your not dyin' your not tryin'.
Zysco	Posted - 2006.03.05 16:54:00 - [42] Edited by: Zysco on 05/03/2006 16:54:46 the ****tyness of the smaller arty are much worse than the larger autos. 200s are certainly more useful than say, 250s. callon > I don't like traveling much, i think its cause my father used to beat me with a globe. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=300438New vid: "we're back
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.03.05 17:15:00 - [43] Originally by: Foulis Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Abbey Smallwood Which begs the question.. Why do 150mm light autocannon 2's sell for nothing while the 200mm's are worth 1mil or so. because 99% of EVE doesn't know about the maths behind them :) And makes my jaguar that much cheaper to fit =D yep :) Please do not discuss actions taken by forum moderators, even in your sig. snipred snip brought to you by Kaemonn. PS, you're hot.--Jorauk
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.03.05 17:52:00 - [44] Originally by: Meridius Well i was being sarcastic but there definetly is an imbalance present. 125mm Gatling Autocannon II: 1pg - 3cpu 150mm Light Autocannon II: 2pg - 6cpu Gatlin Pulse Laser II: 6pg - 4cpu Yea, now compare range and DPS. As for AC's, I really don't think the 150mm and its ilk need a boost. The 200mm and its ilk need a bit of love, which I'm going to suggest be more damage, but less tracking. Hence, they're better against larger targets, while the 150mm types remain best versus same-sized ships. Arty, meh. In general. Digital Communist> The Jin-Mei are probably more profficient in training for Tofu and Noodles than Spaceship Command
Foomanshoe	Posted - 2006.03.05 18:06:00 - [45] Larger ACs are better for T2 ammo, and T2 ammo kicks ass _______________________________________________ Deadspace For Dead space! Originally by: Oveur To the nerfmobile!
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.03.05 18:07:00 - [46] Originally by: Foomanshoe Larger ACs are better for T2 ammo, and T2 ammo kicks ass ?? I use barrage in 150mm and 220mm acs and it works just fine. Please do not discuss actions taken by forum moderators, even in your sig. snipred snip brought to you by Kaemonn. PS, you're hot.--Jorauk
Grimpak	Posted - 2006.03.05 18:23:00 - [47] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Foomanshoe Larger ACs are better for T2 ammo, and T2 ammo kicks ass ?? I use barrage in 150mm and 220mm acs and it works just fine. awfully fine if you ask me 10km range in a AC wolf is nice. ---------------- Originally by: Abdalion Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
Reatu Krentor	Posted - 2006.03.05 18:27:00 - [48] Originally by: Foomanshoe Larger ACs are better for T2 ammo, and T2 ammo kicks ass no difference really, falloff doesn't change for same class ac's (small - medium - large), only optimal. Only thing why the bigger ac's would be better is that they're a tiny bit cheaper to use as they fire slower - phew! dodged the mods on this sig!
Ratey	Posted - 2006.03.06 12:18:00 - [49] "why are 200mm autocannos in the game? just to get you started towards 200mm auto IIs. and because you need small autocannon spec trained up to get medium and large autocannon spec skills. I think it's pretty cool that a tiny inty with only a couple 200mm auto IIs and a rocket launcher can easily take out a group of Smasher cruizer rats .
logosfold	Posted - 2006.03.06 13:19:00 - [50] Originally by: Ratey Edited by: Ratey on 06/03/2006 12:28:07 "why are 200mm autocannos in the game? Great point Malka, and thanks to doing the math work. I'd just say atm, to give you better range? I like to orbit at 7k to work 2pt scram, but try to avoid going closer and getting webbed and nos. So 200mm gives me that range easily, and still good rof. just to get you started towards 200mm auto IIs? and because you need small autocannon spec trained up to get medium and large autocannon spec skills. I think it's pretty cool that a tiny inty with only a couple 200mm auto IIs and a rocket launcher can easily take out a group of Smasher cruizer rats . Every webber in the game can catch you at a 7km orbit and most nosferatus will keep draining you as well at this range.



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