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angelic monster
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.11.27 14:02:00 -
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Yes this is a forum alt, I don't really fancy having too many war decs active.
I've been in several corporations that have been war decced multiple times and have seen first hand what an organised merc corp are capable of, seeing 4 ships take on 10 and win was an awe inspiring site and 1 I enjoyed despite being on the losing side. We've fought against a 1 man corp with nuetral logi's and had a lot of fun, the chat in local alone inspired us to try more pvp, again we may have lost that war but we did so while fighting back.
We have had a war where not only did we finally manage to win but chased them across highsec till they just refused to undock whenever we where nearby (I would use the term carbears for them but don't want to put them under our name)
Then we had the griefer war decs, who's sole reason for playing eve is tears, they camp the trade routes killing any unsuspecting war target stupid enough to pass through, well almost any war target, whenever its a ship that can defend itself they run to the nearest station. Repeatedly we would try to crash their camps only to see them warping off and dock, staying there until we finally leave system, they don't respond in local unless they have just killed you. Even when 2 of us in cruisers jumped into their 5 man bc camp they fled, its almost as if they are afraid to lose ships. That said I've had some good times watching local when these griefers get their tears and would not want this type of gameplay to stop.
That leads me to the point of this thread, encouraging carebears like myself to fight back.
When forced into a war dec against their will, I have seen experienced players tell newer players to stay docked up, undocking will just make them continue the war. Whilst I do my best to get fleets going and stand our ground, it can be hard work and the outcome rests solely on the aggressive corp, when they are polite, helpful by offering advice on fits and tactics, and they don't continue the war I can generally get 1 or 2 carebears to enjoy pvp, many of whom then go on to leave the corp for a life of pvp.
But when there is nothing but ganking haulers and pve ships, when our fleets find no fight waiting for us, when we got blobbed or when the "don't fight" advice turns out to be correct and the war is continued just because we fought back, I see players stop logging on, or refusing to undock which is the exact opposite of what you, the mercs should want.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that the wars can be made enjoyable for both sides, but it does require several things to happen, some of which you mercs can make happen.
While I realise this may not actually get many mercs to change their ways, if even just 1 merc corp changes its ways and inturn 1 carebear trys to pvp and enjoys it then it was worth my time writing it.
Tldr; if you can't be bothered to read my post then I can't be bothered to write a tldr, and you properly wouldn't understand my ramblings anyway. |

Dazz Riiiiiiight
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
220
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Posted - 2013.11.27 14:22:00 -
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tl;dr bear gets false sense of security when decced by Marmite and notice they run and hide then you are not in a noobship or shuttle.
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Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts. Break-A-Wish Foundation
1143
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Posted - 2013.11.27 14:58:00 -
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angelic monster wrote:While I realise this may not actually get many mercs to change their ways, if even just 1 merc corp changes its ways and inturn 1 carebear trys to pvp and enjoys it then it was worth my time writing it.
EVE Online: Where hearts and minds are changed forever! I'm Denzel Washington, and I play chess. |

La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1177
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Posted - 2013.11.27 14:58:00 -
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Highsec mercs really aren't anything to be worried about unless you go to trade hubs a lot. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |

Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
240
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Posted - 2013.11.27 15:23:00 -
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I'd advice every corp under a wardec to do just a little research on the corp deccing you and adapt accordingly. Also, talking with other 'victims' might help to form a strategy.
Players who tell people to just dock up and wait it out should be banned from the game, really.
And;
Dazz Riiiiiiight wrote:tl;dr bear gets false sense of security when decced by Marmite and notice they run and hide then you are not in a noobship or shuttle.
Look at you all huffy... Admit it, you were the guy in the mining vindi we murdered and now you mad, right?
D.
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0mez
Republic University Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2013.11.27 15:44:00 -
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Cool post, I have a lot of alt characters for different areas of eve, we are a group of real life friends who have known each other for longer than eve has existed, we all fleet up together whatever the situation. Personally I like low and null a lot better anyway because it is kind of free for all, but I know what it's like to be in a indy / pve corp too. If we get harassed a lot by a merc corp in high sec we will fleet up and take them out after doing a bit of research. Main thing in eve is knowing your enemy and doing the research first :)
I have other characters infiltrating the mercs that we are targeted by to get info. The strongest corps in eve are ones that don't just let anyone in and know they can trust each other 100%. Really don't understand mercs who let anyone in or even let people pay to join, they could be (and probably do) letting enemy alts in. EVE is good fun when you get into it, especially the PvP aspect. |

IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
671
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Posted - 2013.11.29 02:23:00 -
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angelic monster wrote:
When forced into a war dec against their will, I have seen experienced players tell newer players to stay docked up, undocking will just make them continue the war.
An experienced player would never say that.
They would tell you to get in cheap Merlins, Kestrels and Griffins and show you how kill expensive stuff with your cheap throwaway frigates.
If you want to get your soul to heaven, trust in me. Now don't judge or question. You are broken now, but faith can heal you. Just do everything I tell you to do. (Opiate - Tool) |

Xolve
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
2162
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Posted - 2013.11.29 07:01:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Highsec mercs really aren't anything to be worried about unless you go to trade hubs a lot.
Truth.
Also- how to ignore trade hubs in 4 easy steps:
1. Create a NPC Corp alt and move them to Jita.
2. Whenever you want/need something, send that alt money and a shopping list.
3. Buy whatever you want/needed
4. Have either intra-alliance logistics or Red Frog/Push Industries move your stuff for you. (Red Frog if your on a budget, Push if you want to pay 30m and have it within the hour). |

Anya Klibor
Error-404 Cup Of ConKrete.
538
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Posted - 2013.11.29 07:39:00 -
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Most high-sec mercenary outfits don't seem to understand that you don't need huge numbers of active pilots to do the job. You only need them to camp trade hubs. You will have a small group that will roam, but in general they stay on the undocks of trade hubs with insta-locking ships and arties to get free kills. In short, they pad their killboards with missioning ships or industry alts and talk about how badass they are (great case-in-point: VegasMirage handing Marmite their ass, and all MArmite could do was say "We killed trilions in carebears, you didn't do anything!"). Put simply, larger mercenary outfits become complacent, and they make some of the easiest kills if caught solo or in small gangs. |

0mez
Republic University Minmatar Republic
16
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Posted - 2013.11.29 11:26:00 -
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So true and also agree on the trader thing, loads of people have alts with good standings to move stuff to them something these mercs don't understand. Funniest high sec mercs are the ones who hire others to do their work, whether it be defending a wardec for them or paying others to kill for them. Also some solo ones who fly around with fleet bonuses just targeting PvE / Indy ships - they also take the game to be real life, so much so they have twitter accounts with their in game name lol.
So funny tho, they all think they are amazing - when the rest of eve just laugh at how pathetic they are. Best thing to do if a high sec merc war decs you - goto low sec. |

Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
415
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Posted - 2013.11.29 11:36:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:They would tell you to get in cheap Merlins, Kestrels and Griffins and show you how kill expensive stuff with your cheap throwaway frigates.
This.
Altho I would tell them to fit Battle Ventures.
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culo duro
EveryoneVersusEveryone.com EveryoneVersusEveryone.com.
368
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Posted - 2013.11.29 11:48:00 -
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0mez wrote:So true and also agree on the trader thing, loads of people have alts with good standings to move stuff to them something these mercs don't understand. Funniest high sec mercs are the ones who hire others to do their work, whether it be defending a wardec for them or paying others to kill for them. Also some solo ones who fly around with fleet bonuses just targeting PvE / Indy ships - they also take the game to be real life, so much so they have twitter accounts with their in game name lol.
So funny tho, they all think they are amazing - when the rest of eve just laugh at how pathetic they are. Best thing to do if a high sec merc war decs you - goto low sec.
Zemo Walden ladies and gentlemen. |

Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition Insurance Fraud.
390
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Posted - 2013.11.29 20:42:00 -
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angelic monster wrote:Even when 2 of us in cruisers jumped into their 5 man bc camp they fled, its almost as if they are afraid to lose ships. Seems legit. There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency. |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2013.11.29 21:03:00 -
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I have removed a rule breaking post. Please keep it civil people!
The rules: 5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote. ISD Ezwal Lt. Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Sol epoch
The Death Stalkers The Marmite Collective
28
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Posted - 2013.11.29 23:53:00 -
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Dazz Riiiiiiight wrote:tl;dr bear gets false sense of security when decced by Marmite and notice they run and hide then you are not in a noobship or shuttle.
I think it is time you tried another line of attack as you are just showing how butthurt you are at being so insignificant.
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Zhaceera Armerarram
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.11.30 07:19:00 -
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Wardec is a "terror tool", nothing more. Wardec is a exclusive hisec excuse to pvp people without their consent. People in hisec rolling corps not prepared to handle wardecs are clearly being informed that their leadership is not prepared to be a corp leadership, and would be better off in someone else's corp until they do.
Another situation where ego is your worse enemy. |

Sevendeadly Sins
Meatshield Bastards The Bastards.
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Posted - 2013.11.30 07:56:00 -
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Quote:Look at you all huffy... Admit it, you were the guy in the mining vindi we murdered and now you mad, right? D.  http://amplifyyourvoice.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/say-what-nc.png |

Tear Jar
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.12.03 22:11:00 -
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Its smart to warp away when an enemy jumps on you. Maybe the two battlecruisers are bait and when you engage, a swarm of enemies will pop in and wipe you.
I generally try to run if someone jumps me, because if he jumps me that means he has had time to prepare and this might be a trap.
If I jump on an unprepared enemy, its unlikely he has a fleet nearby to back him up. |

Paul Tsukaya
Dirt 'n' Glitter I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
51
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Posted - 2013.12.03 23:35:00 -
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You can avoid trade route and hub campers if you forward stage like non highsec alliances do.
Get everyone's stuff to a staging system. Move stuff between the staging system and trade hubs using contracts or out of corp alts.
Then if they come to camp you into your staging system you have a fight. You can bait out aggression timers then your whole corp can undock at once (since they are all in the same station) and you have an actual fight.
If you are moving your missioning CNR into Jita to buy a deadspace hardener to bling it out while under wardec, then yeah Marmite will sequel with glee. |

Paul Tsukaya
Dirt 'n' Glitter I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
51
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Posted - 2013.12.03 23:36:00 -
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Tear Jar wrote:Its smart to warp away when an enemy jumps on you. Maybe the two battlecruisers are bait and when you engage, a swarm of enemies will pop in and wipe you.
I generally try to run if someone jumps me, because if he jumps me that means he has had time to prepare and this might be a trap.
If I jump on an unprepared enemy, its unlikely he has a fleet nearby to back him up. :facepalm:
You're Eve Uni. You are the swarm of enemies. You outnumber anyone who might wardec you 5:1.
Be the hero tackle and call for help.
EDIT: Well don't if you're in a battlecruiser. If you're in a BC just dock back up and undock in something smaller lol. |

BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
NEW ORDER DEATH DEALERS CODE.
40
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Posted - 2013.12.04 00:07:00 -
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Paul Tsukaya wrote:Tear Jar wrote:Its smart to warp away when an enemy jumps on you. Maybe the two battlecruisers are bait and when you engage, a swarm of enemies will pop in and wipe you.
I generally try to run if someone jumps me, because if he jumps me that means he has had time to prepare and this might be a trap.
If I jump on an unprepared enemy, its unlikely he has a fleet nearby to back him up. :facepalm: You're Eve Uni. You are the swarm of enemies. You outnumber anyone who might wardec you 5:1. Be the hero tackle and call for help. EDIT: Well don't if you're in a battlecruiser. If you're in a BC just dock back up and undock in something smaller lol.
Keep in mind how inconsistent the Uni's fleets are though. Some days they can mobilize 100+ other days they have trouble scrounging up even three people to undock. I hate to disagree with you,-ábut there is nothing subjective about "boring" in connection to "mining". -á-á-á-á -- Solstice Project's Alt |

Shederov Blood
Wrecketeers
610
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Posted - 2013.12.04 00:22:00 -
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Danalee wrote:... the mining vindi we murdered ... That isn't murder. That's mercy.
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Paul Tsukaya
Dirt 'n' Glitter I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
51
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Posted - 2013.12.04 00:24:00 -
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Paul Tsukaya wrote:Tear Jar wrote:Its smart to warp away when an enemy jumps on you. Maybe the two battlecruisers are bait and when you engage, a swarm of enemies will pop in and wipe you.
I generally try to run if someone jumps me, because if he jumps me that means he has had time to prepare and this might be a trap.
If I jump on an unprepared enemy, its unlikely he has a fleet nearby to back him up. :facepalm: You're Eve Uni. You are the swarm of enemies. You outnumber anyone who might wardec you 5:1. Be the hero tackle and call for help. EDIT: Well don't if you're in a battlecruiser. If you're in a BC just dock back up and undock in something smaller lol. Keep in mind how inconsistent the Uni's fleets are though. Some days they can mobilize 100+ other days they have trouble scrounging up even three people to undock. That's fair I suppose. I'm used to flying with full time PvPers where if I get 10 in fleet today, that means I'll get 10 in fleet tomorrow if I make the fleet around the same time.
So uhh does the mean if we wipe out a uni fleet that said fleet doesn't form again for days? |

Zhaceera Armerarram
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2013.12.04 11:54:00 -
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Because everyone knows that in EVE its always it is always fair fights. No one bring 4 t2 BS when in a t3 cruiser tackled by something that can actually win. And If that happened, the tackler then would not bring more 6, and then the other one bring 4 more. Ah, I forgot, Jihad Swarm, Goonswarm, and other swarms are conspiracy theory.
People come here in forums to talk about PvP as if it was something remotely related to being skilled at it. "If justice is not for everyone, it is for no one." |

Morgorathi
Unironically Bad Silver Dragonz
14
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Posted - 2013.12.04 12:23:00 -
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I don't like highsec merc corps, they are basically just pvpers too space poor to go into nullsec but still want the ego boost of being 'cooldude mcbroguys'. When did Crime & Punishment become the mercenary employment board? |

GemFireStorm
Battle BV Sovereign Infinity
10
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Posted - 2013.12.04 22:35:00 -
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Morgorathi wrote:I don't like highsec merc corps, they are basically just pvpers too space poor to go into nullsec but still want the ego boost of being a big-sized fish in a small pond.
You know, the same thing could be said about Industrial corps - the real mining is in null - the real industry is in null. Hi-sec mining and industry is for noobs - and it's the hi-sec pvpers who supply the demand for everything the hi-sec industrialists build. Do you really think that mission losses and losses to belt rats would support hi-sec industry? You know it wouldn't. That war dec that results in a billion in losses is probably at least 800 million in the pockets of the builders as ships and modules are replaced. Without hi-sec war, the market would be completely saturated with goods and no one to buy them.
As for fighting back, most of the real merc corps out there really love it when you bring a fleet. I've been up against a few, and despite the amount of giggles we invariably get about your fits, it is something to be admired when you put together some numbers and come against your aggressors. |

Paul Tsukaya
Dirt 'n' Glitter I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
54
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Posted - 2013.12.05 00:02:00 -
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GemFireStorm wrote:it's the hi-sec pvpers who supply the demand for everything the hi-sec industrialists build. This isn't true at all. A lot of PvP happens in lowsec, and the modules and ammo and sometimes even hulls for that PvP are mostly shipped in from highsec.
After all jita prices are very good, and it's pretty easily to move a freighter one jump into lowsec. Especially if you have friendlies in system willing to scout the gate or defend said freighter.
Now obviously goonswarm isn't getting their megathrons from Jita, but there's a lot more production than there is consumption in highsec. |

Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
50
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Posted - 2013.12.05 15:50:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Highsec mercs really aren't anything to be worried about unless you go to trade hubs a lot.
Not entirely true... I can think of one group in particular that will come and find you ... wherever you are... muu-MU-muuahahahahahahaaa
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Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
50
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Posted - 2013.12.05 15:58:00 -
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Morgorathi wrote:I don't like highsec merc corps, they are basically just pvpers too space poor to go into nullsec but still want the ego boost of being a big-sized fish in a small pond.
My corp is a PMF and we only contract out to vetted clientele and even then we need specific details on wardecs and potential reds on operation.
High-Sec mercs are here to serve empire dwellers... tired of that guy eating all of your rocks? Hire a merc corporation to push your competition out of your area or camp them into station. Maybe you want revenge... who cares really?? Hire a merc corporation.
Empire space is a scary place these days... have you seen all of those ships? You never know who's gonna drop some hate in your lap. Best be prepared or at least willing to defend yourself... but if you're not, hire a merc. |

Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
50
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Posted - 2013.12.05 16:00:00 -
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GemFireStorm wrote:Morgorathi wrote:I don't like highsec merc corps, they are basically just pvpers too space poor to go into nullsec but still want the ego boost of being a big-sized fish in a small pond. You know, the same thing could be said about Industrial corps - the real mining is in null - the real industry is in null. Hi-sec mining and industry is for noobs - and it's the hi-sec pvpers who supply the demand for everything the hi-sec industrialists build. Do you really think that mission losses and losses to belt rats would support hi-sec industry? You know it wouldn't. That war dec that results in a billion in losses is probably at least 800 million in the pockets of the builders as ships and modules are replaced. Without hi-sec war, the market would be completely saturated with goods and no one to buy them. As for fighting back, most of the real merc corps out there really love it when you bring a fleet. I've been up against a few, and despite the amount of giggles we invariably get about your fits, it is something to be admired when you put together some numbers and come against your aggressors.
I should have read all of the posts before Reply'ing ... because this ...
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