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Ragnar
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Posted - 2003.09.04 06:44:00 -
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Full Press Conference Here. (I didn't feel like breaking it into many many posts)
Some of the questions explored are:
ôTaggart Transdimensional has a spotty record. You always boast and talk about how wealthy you are instead of just shutting up and going on about your business. Your arrogance surely turns away a lot of customers, does it not?ö
ôMr. Danneskjold, tell me more about Xanadu and Evolution and what is going on there.ö
ôRagnar, people think you are actually about 10 different people in TTI, that you have a multiple personality disorder, and that all of TTI is a shell game masterminded by third parties that fundamentally need someone to hate.ö
...and many many more...Thanks and enjoy
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Ragnar Danneskj÷ld
Taggart Transdimensional, Inc.
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edudtset
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Posted - 2003.09.04 06:49:00 -
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Edited by: edudtset on 04/09/2003 06:49:37
crap |
Verisutha
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Posted - 2003.09.04 06:52:00 -
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Edited by: Verisutha on 04/09/2003 06:54:07
Ahhh, what times are these when people are forced to say "ni" to old women...
I think back to a movie of my childhood and kind of giggle.. It had been passed down for generations.. Even though our human roots have long faded the past still remains a deeper part of all of us...
*snapping back to the point at hand* Ragnar pokes my shoulder and tells me to snap back to the conference.. I look over my shoulder and make sure the ladies I had with me were ready for the "party"..
I focus on him and say, "Yes Ragnar we are ready.. We will stand behind you and give it our best shot..."
I call a couple of my close mates in to join the dinner discussions.. The time for war is upon us.... but for now, lets have a good night of feast, and party.. for tomorrow we may all be dead..
In the imortal words of Cypher "Why oh why didn't I swollow the blue pill..."
Regards,
Verisutha CEO
Scenites - Nomadic Wanderers
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Yuushi
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Posted - 2003.09.04 06:53:00 -
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LOL good read, finally a response from the taggart!
jade must be very unhappy right now. ..... ... |
Bluto
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Posted - 2003.09.04 06:55:00 -
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Edited by: Bluto on 04/09/2003 06:55:45
Interesting stuff - is it true that the whole Moo thing was just made up by Stavros?
Has anybody made a compilation of the known facts as opposed to flames, made up "fiction", etc.? I'm curious if the Stavros thing was a fake, how much of the other stuff about TTI is fake too. |
SkyLeach
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Posted - 2003.09.04 07:18:00 -
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WOW! The mighty CEO has spoken!
get over yourself
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2003.09.04 07:46:00 -
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I am going to enjoy this thread.
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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SkyLeach
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Posted - 2003.09.04 07:51:00 -
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/me smells gasoline
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Shock
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Posted - 2003.09.04 07:52:00 -
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but know that every action I take is done with the greatest consideration for the protection and safety for the good people at Taggart, our loyal friends and customers, and our shareholders and investors.
How is being an megalomaniac and creating new enemies with every new move going to help protect your 'minions'?
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Xeris
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Posted - 2003.09.04 08:01:00 -
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Wow, what an egoist.
Too lazy to get my sig changed |
The Surgeon
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Posted - 2003.09.04 08:18:00 -
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Nice writing Ragnar, but let me take you back to the question about Jade Constantine. Interesting how you use your shortest answer possible to answer that one. You quite simply, decide to witter away for ages, on issues where you attempt to spin your way out of things, but yet can't actually come up with something better than that to criticise someone who's a better "Spinner" than yourself?
That said, it was a nice piece of fiction, my congratulations on you fantastic depiction of the fantasy that is Ragnar and Taggart.
You've carefully scripted a fictional press conference, where you have constructed questions to yourself so you can fit your own answers around them. Is there something that's stopping you answering questions in a real press conference? Oh...wait a minute...we can't have a real press conference because someone screwed them over. Shame that...really is. You can even answer to a conference where you are asked real questions by your peers.
Rather than disect your short story (to do that would take an absolute age) I'll pick up on a couple of highlights.....
Firstly you mention you value loyalty. Please, Ragnar, don't. You only value yourself. You have no interest in your customers, you have no interest in your corp members (we KNOW you ride roughshod over them with your insane stipulations and "laws", and basically use them to your own ends), and you have no interest in the EVE players. You have loyalty to no-one barring yourself. Please do not post something on a value you dont understand.
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Having an alliance with the proper level of power parity is important for the success and relations within it
I just thought I'd add that quote as it's terribly ironic.
I'm sorry Ragnar, but your so called "press conference" did nothing except make me distrust TTi more than I already do. I also expect to see some more posts here by your paid lackeys.....you no doubt paid them well to make posts in support of you. I hope the money was worth it.....money runs out you know. Keep your own head down when your does...
"Examined......Diagnosed......Now comes the Surgery."
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SISQO
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Posted - 2003.09.04 08:23:00 -
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Edited by: SISQO on 04/09/2003 08:24:44
Very clever way to include half truths with tons of lies in the text. Indeed a very intelligent man, but you can't fool me.
For example yes, almost all discussions of TTI's wealth are done by the public, but there is TTI arrogance and wealth flaunting skills which are clearly demonstrated by Roark and others alike. 500 mill for 100 corpses for XX player blah blah..yea. Threatening people is the way to get your money back, along with pathetic offers, "at cost" mineral battleship order, lame mining contracts, a few miner II's hahaha...
As for TTI disrupting Fountain mining/business, don't kid yourself. TTI are great as businessmen and moneymakers, but as combatants, your all a joke. Not to mention how you broke NAP with us. Save the lies for another day.
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Revolution
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Posted - 2003.09.04 08:28:00 -
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hehe :>
nice story, its a shame its just that :>
btw, you might want to tell those scenites newbies (helmet) that you cant shoot people in high sec space, we have been laughing for days about his loss of his bship :>
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frstkor13
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Posted - 2003.09.04 08:31:00 -
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just an fyi to all the people who read that crap that lawynar puked up.
TTI lost no less than 7 battleships to Evolution forces during the time when VA was assembled.
lying is cool, huh raggidynar. |
SkyLeach
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Posted - 2003.09.04 08:31:00 -
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These scenites guys... you say we know them by another name, guess they are pirates too huh?
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2003.09.04 08:44:00 -
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You'd think they'd manage to at least keep it correct:
"captured the ear of Jade, who created a new council and vote to expel TTI from Xanadu."
And it's wonderful that you've found the 'nice' side to Tank CEO and the rest of M3G4. When those are your last friends you have to realise something is wrong for you in the PR department.
As to the current situation in Venal, I spent several hours there last night and the area is effectively TTi free apart from one or two nuisance appearances which faded as quickly as they appeared. The war against TTi is proceeding fully according to plan - even though both sides are losing small numbers of ships TTi's operations in Venal are currently closed.
Empire Space is next.
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Deathwing
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Posted - 2003.09.04 08:45:00 -
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Edited by: Deathwing on 04/09/2003 08:49:24
Dude
Who needs the Scope!
Ragnar does a good enough job interviewing himself!
Hey Ragnar
Do me next!!! 
*taps into psychic powers*
Hmmmmmm
I am seeing into the future
Way into the future......
I am seeing Ragnar getting pwned and eating his words
Yes, it is all clear now
*passes Ragnar some BBQ Sauce*
here, you might want a little bit of this to help ya suck back what is about to happen
<Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS |
Revolution
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Posted - 2003.09.04 08:51:00 -
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hehe :>
[ watch this space ]
;>
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Shrike
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Posted - 2003.09.04 08:57:00 -
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and just a 6th and 7th today as I believe Shrike and some other chap lost another.
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Thats weird, i went afk last night at about 20.00 eve-time, and when i woke up, i was still docked at station.
Keep em coming.. with each post you get more and more into your own dirt.
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sheik yerbouti
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Posted - 2003.09.04 09:05:00 -
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As for TTI or me ever going after someone OOG about in-game issues, I am 100 percent against that. Additionally, neither I nor anyone I know did anything to shut down the Scope. They reproduced my interview in full, which I told them I appreciated. People say TTI shut down the scope... another baseless lie. As everyone that knows me knows, I want to keep it all in the game
Uhuh. So that would mean that neither you nor anyone from TTi corresponded with CCP designees threatening action if the articles were not removed?
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Kalle Port
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Posted - 2003.09.04 09:07:00 -
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NOooOOOoooooo
Some of you have posted parts of his forums!!!1111
I really hope you can show us the written permission or else he'll sue you!
And now we finally find out why 'the scope' had to be shut down, so there won't be any competition in news casting and so TTI can create its own reality in made up news stories:/
PS: i'm sure it was you personally who destroyed shrikes battleship, flying an ibis no less i guess. wake up, it was only a dream, come back to reality and try to find your TTI pilots who are hiding under rocks in venal, cause sure as hell, we can't find them.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.04 09:08:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 04/09/2003 09:09:18
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Ragnar, I'd like to see things from your point of view but I can't seem to get my head that far up my ass.
[ooc]
Can you not answer a question without slipping into meandering rhetoric?
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Tristan
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Posted - 2003.09.04 09:13:00 -
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Ragnar, I'd like to see things from your point of view but I can't seem to get my head that far up my ass.
HAHAHAHAHHA!
a prize to that man.
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sensitive
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Posted - 2003.09.04 09:14:00 -
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making up a press conference to tell us about your fabricated truths isnt gonna help you much Im afraid.
As for your coalition with Mega.. I just want to give you a word of advice. Buying a corporation to help you (who believes mega came to you and offered their help, withouth expecting something in return) might turn out nasty, cause when they have what they want they will probably discard of you as easy as that.
Believe it or not, the end of TTI is near. You just got your head so far up your arse that you cant seem to form a picture of what is happening in the rest of eve.
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Jerrico Delen
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Posted - 2003.09.04 09:16:00 -
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A good read, and great PR work.
Keep it up!
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Drutort
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Posted - 2003.09.04 09:18:00 -
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Ragnar, I'd like to see things from your point of view but I can't seem to get my head that far up my ass.
HAHAHAHAHHA!
a prize to that man.
i have to 2nd that it was a good HAHAHAAAHAHAA!
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Dontius Tarris
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Posted - 2003.09.04 09:33:00 -
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Edited by: Dontius Tarris on 04/09/2003 09:49:01
Edited by: Dontius Tarris on 04/09/2003 09:46:03
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A good read, and great PR work.
Keep it up!
I was wondering how much do you pay to flame? I wouldnt mind some extra spending cash...
I would like to ask what proof you all have to bash TTI like you have? Is this all just fabrication to turn people against TTI?
I assume if you have any proof of wrong doing by TTI you all would be able to promulgate the evidence.
Until then people, I would hold off judgment.
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JP Beauregard
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Posted - 2003.09.04 10:22:00 -
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Do I really want to read a story about Ragnar written by Ragnar to engineer the public perception of Ragnar?
Err, no.
What a self-important jackass...
JP Beauregard
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2003.09.04 10:47:00 -
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thats amazing, the man waffles on for pages and pages without actually saying anything of interest AT ALL!
oh and yeah - class remark joshua ;)
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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Femme Fatal
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Posted - 2003.09.04 10:57:00 -
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A plague called Evolution soon descended upon Venal and many of the smaller corps in Venal became despondent, until Evolution and their friends in Xanadu captured the ear of Jade, who created a new council and vote to expel TTI from Xanadu.
Either this is a typo.. or Ragnar has managed the worst wordplay ever.
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2003.09.04 11:06:00 -
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all hail Iraqi Information Minister
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Josephine
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Posted - 2003.09.04 11:10:00 -
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A plague called Evolution soon descended upon Venal and many of the smaller corps in Venal became despondent, until Evolution and their friends in Xanadu captured the ear of Jade, who created a new council and vote to expel TTI from Xanadu.
Either this is a typo.. or Ragnar has managed the worst wordplay ever.
Well it makes little sense if it isn't a typo, afterall Jade created the council to remove TTI from venal and not xanadu...
As for Stavr0s and his involvement, he posted about as much on the forums, in order to try to do one last blow against TTI before m00 leave the game they decided to post that fun little comment regarding TTI paying them while doing raids on fountain. I assume they didn't believe anyone in fountain would take a joke like that seriously, afterall it's wellknown TTI and m0o aren't exaclty the most friendly corps with each other, nor is Stavr0s what you call a fan of TTI or Ragnar, heck Stavr0s has more ISK than he needs so why bother doing some crappy military ops for guys he doesn't like anyways...and yes indeed I've still not found any reasoning for TTI to attack fountain through pirate means when they are trying to focus their operations on strenghtening Venal alliance at the same time.
Really that matters little though, afterall we have had Tornsoul foreit whatever credibility he had as a longstanding community member by him on several occasions pointing at his status as enough to validify the evidence which hence has been shown by the original source of same evidence as just another joke. Good game Tornsoul, I do assume you won't be posting comments like that regarding evidence until you have thought through and questioned said evidence first. I'm really intrested in how you came to the conclusion that it in this case had to be real, believing a wellknown pirate from a wellknown pirate corp that has reputation for killing anything on sight without actually questioning this or even trying to find a reason for the accused actions on side of TTI in my book has to be the most simpleminded action I have yet to see from a CEO in the universe of EVE. I'm sure the members of BIG are really fond of you, I doubt I'd be able to function in a corp where the CEO publically humiliates himself like that and shows such lack of intellect and reasoning. And yes you'll be surprised at what I am about to unveil aswell, the reason for not joining TTI even thgouh I could have been accepted will soon be announced...
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Mr Blonde
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Posted - 2003.09.04 11:16:00 -
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Out of pure [OOC] interest
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[OOC] Ragnar do you support any OOG attacks or RL threats?
No I do not.
So my pure personal question directed at Ragnar is, has Ctaesis been fired from Taggart for his little attack on Jade http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=29686&page=1 or is Taggart supporting such actions by their members and keeping him around incase any future dirty work might come up?? |
Revolution
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Posted - 2003.09.04 11:21:00 -
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its funny he says they had nothing to do with the deleting of the scope, yet cairnz/dagny taggart made this post
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Play the game and leave our forums the **** alone then. Go on about your business, and dwell like puny men.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=29641
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Femme Fatal
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Posted - 2003.09.04 11:22:00 -
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Edited by: Femme Fatal on 04/09/2003 11:22:24
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Either this is a typo.. or Ragnar has managed the worst wordplay ever.
Well it makes little sense if it isn't a typo, afterall Jade created the council to remove TTI from venal and not xanadu...
As you see I said wordplay (horrible one I must say)..
XanÀaÀdu - An idyllic, beautiful place (according to www.dictionary.com)
So if you consider Venal an idyllic, beautiful place (as TTI must or they wouldnt be fighting over it) and replace the word Venal with Xanadu - Bamm you have one hell of a horrible wordplay.
(Just to clear that up)
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Mitch Taylor
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Posted - 2003.09.04 11:32:00 -
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Just heard on eve radio- "We all know TTI, well TTI have their own tune and here it is"
*mary hopkin - those were the days my friend comes on*
LOL
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Tristan
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Posted - 2003.09.04 11:54:00 -
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Dont forget "POD - BOOM!"
heh
TTI listen to EVE radio by any chance? or are you going to complain about that being biased too now.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.09.04 12:02:00 -
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Rosebud
Convert Stations
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Dosh
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Posted - 2003.09.04 12:08:00 -
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Edited by: Dosh on 04/09/2003 12:16:35
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Really that matters little though, afterall we have had Tornsoul foreit whatever credibility he had as a longstanding community member by him on several occasions pointing at his status as enough to validify the evidence which hence has been shown by the original source of same evidence as just another joke. Good game Tornsoul, I do assume you won't be posting comments like that regarding evidence until you have thought through and questioned said evidence first. I'm really intrested in how you came to the conclusion that it in this case had to be real, believing a wellknown pirate from a wellknown pirate corp that has reputation for killing anything on sight without actually questioning this or even trying to find a reason for the accused actions on side of TTI in my book has to be the most simpleminded action I have yet to see from a CEO in the universe of EVE. I'm sure the members of BIG are really fond of you, I doubt I'd be able to function in a corp where the CEO publically humiliates himself like that and shows such lack of intellect and reasoning. And yes you'll be surprised at what I am about to unveil aswell, the reason for not joining TTI even thgouh I could have been accepted will soon be announced...
Josephine,
You are a clueless pathetic attention *****.
You accuse TornSoul of believing a wellknown pirate, even though he did no such thing, yet you did exactly that yourself by taking Stavro's latest rant at face value.
There is a posted screenshot of a TTI member paying out 25M per Evol/Xan bship hit. There are ex-VA corp members confirming the existence of TTI bounties. Believe the evidence or not, but ad hominem attack on TornSoul just shows what a sorry little puke you are.
Did you apply to BIG and get rejected too?
As to why you get rejected by TTI. I got news for you --> No one cares.
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The Surgeon
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Posted - 2003.09.04 12:20:00 -
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Josephine, do you actually know what you're talking about?
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I've still not found any reasoning for TTI to attack fountain through pirate means when they are trying to focus their operations on strenghtening Venal alliance at the same time
I'll give you a reason....they weren't EVER attempting to strengthen the Venal Alliance. Go read the whole Venal thread again, and you will find that they refused to aid the alliance.
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the reason for not joining TTI even thgouh I could have been accepted will soon be announced...
You were annoyed that Ragnar turned out to be nearly as arrogant as yourself? You seriously think people wont be able to sleep as they will be hanging on your reasons?
"Examined......Diagnosed......Now comes the Surgery."
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The Wretch
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Posted - 2003.09.04 12:44:00 -
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"crap"
haha
"ôRagnar do you think Jade is a power-hungry ***** with an empire built only in vexing literary words who would pursue any Machiavellian path to feed her megalomania?ö
ôYes, next question.ö "
lol - Well I have always enjoyed Ragnars writings as Jades. But we still await your resignation from TTI.
The Wretch
Cyberdyne Systems CEO
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Yoseph Cohen
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Posted - 2003.09.04 13:04:00 -
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I have to say that I got into this debate feeling that both sides were equally wrong, but the reasons given for attempting to "Stamp out" TTI were of a purely communist, and class warfarized nature. However, as I dig deeper, I can not help but come to the conclusion that aside from prehaps a couple of people that work for TTI, and a few bad PR moves, or lack of a PR spin machine, TTI has done absolutely nothing wrong, and is constantly attacked because it is rich, and is successful. I for one am sick of it. You people come across much like the French and the Germans in the RL today. You have no power. You're angry you have no power. And instead of doing something to fix it, you bash the people that do have power. Well here's some common sense for you - put up or shut up. And here's my advice for Ragnar - Fight em at the jump gates, fight them in the asteroid belts, fight them at the planets, and NEVER, NEVER, NEVER give up!
Yoseph Cohen
Aluf
Israeli Defense Forces
Yoseph Cohen
Aluf
Israeli Defense Forces
(A divison of Israeli Space Corporation) |
j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.09.04 13:08:00 -
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"Very clever way to include half truths with tons of lies in the text. Indeed a very intelligent man, but you can't fool me.
For example yes, almost all discussions of TTI's wealth are done by the public, (..)"
... Actually, no; the 'Why are we so hated? perhaps it's because we are the most rich and people are mean and jealous of success' mantra is regularly brought up by various TTi members, rather than the public... which makes the original press conference answer rather amusing. :s
re: the conference itself, a nice piece of fiction... perhaps reposting it to Summit would be a good idea?
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Cookie
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Posted - 2003.09.04 13:11:00 -
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umm, Mr. Cohen ... shall i describe the sun for you, as you obviously will never see it, since your head seems to be buried in Ragnar's rear end ?
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Yoseph Cohen
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Posted - 2003.09.04 13:13:00 -
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umm, Mr. Cohen ... shall i describe the sun for you, as you obviously will never see it, since your head seems to be buried in Ragnar's rear end ?
Oooooooh. Wooooooooow. Intelligent debate at its best!
God I am sick of people like you, who's IQ is so low, even when multipled by 3, it doesn't even hit triple digits.
For crying out loud, would SOMEONE come up with an arguement BESIDES class warfare, personal attacks, and generalized bull**** to attack TTI?
Just one, logical, thought out arguement that doesn't even spin. That's all I ask.
Yoseph Cohen
Aluf
Israeli Defense Forces
Yoseph Cohen
Aluf
Israeli Defense Forces
(A divison of Israeli Space Corporation) |
Nasty Ways
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Posted - 2003.09.04 13:18:00 -
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Edited by: Nasty Ways on 04/09/2003 13:19:29
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Oooooooh. Wooooooooow. Intelligent debate at its best!
God I am sick of people like you, who's IQ is so low, even when multipled by 3, it doesn't even hit triple digits.
For crying out loud, would SOMEONE come up with an arguement BESIDES class warfare, personal attacks, and generalized bull**** to attack TTI?
Just one, logical, thought out arguement that doesn't even spin. That's all I ask.
Yoseph Cohen
Aluf
Israeli Defense Forces
weren't you the one bringing rl comparisons in here?
and asking for logical, thought out arguments without spin... heh... did you even read that "ragnar interviews ragnar" fiction?
how could you even dare to make remarks at other ppls intelligence?
clown.
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Cookie
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Posted - 2003.09.04 13:19:00 -
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you might want to re-read all the threads about this issue again ?
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.09.04 13:23:00 -
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Ragnar you are so sad its frightening.
Leave EVE. Now.
For everyones sake.
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Yoseph Cohen
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Posted - 2003.09.04 13:23:00 -
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I'm sure Ragnar does spin. I'm honest enough to admit that, however. The thing is, YOU are not honest enough to admit that Jade Constantine is spin central, and more aptly put (especially after the "Oooo TTI hired Moo!....not, came out), lies central.
Yoseph Cohen
Aluf
Israeli Defense Forces
Yoseph Cohen
Aluf
Israeli Defense Forces
(A divison of Israeli Space Corporation) |
Ulstan
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Posted - 2003.09.04 13:30:00 -
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"Interesting stuff - is it true that the whole Moo thing was just made up by Stavros?"
He has claimed as much in a thread on this forum.
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2003.09.04 13:31:00 -
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Vote is brought up to consider a strategic withdrawl of TTi from official membership as part of the war effort against FA.
Choice 1: convince other alliance members that you don't want that to happen. Win a vote and be happy that your opinion has been officially validated and any who act against it are now acting against the alliance.
Choice 2: make no attempt to convince others, apart from intimidating the voters using phrases like 'a safe and an unsafe position' in secret conversations. Declare war on anyone expressing a different opinion. Hire contract killers to attack the alliance spokesperson 20 times. Side with the pirates and bring in REAL scum like M3G4, whilst at the same time claiming to be on the side of the good guys.
One of the above is the choice taken by someone who behaves honourably, and one is the course taken by a lunatic who reaches for the gun as a first choice option.
I'm sorry, TTi clearly made a massive mistake. This time the pressure will not be relieved after a week. Their operations in Venal are all but over and soon any open activity in empire space will come to a close as well. Lying low for a week will not cause people to get bored and/or forget about you.
We eagerly look forward to the availability of construction platforms, mobile refineries and titans so that you can look on in envy as others enjoy them whilst you sit in your stations hiding from a foe that never forgets. Surrender or permanent obscurity as a second rate scordite mining 'megacorp' that cadets use as target practice are your only real options TTi.
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Darion MacVale
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Posted - 2003.09.04 13:35:00 -
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"Interesting stuff - is it true that the whole Moo thing was just made up by Stavros?"
He has claimed as much in a thread on this forum.
The thing about that is that I can claim that I was hired by Ragnar to screw with the market in Venal space to benefit TTI.
And then, weeks later, I can come back and claim it was a huge joke and that nothing of the sort really happened.
Which statement has more weight? Once something has been admitted to, it's hard to retract, regardless of the validity.
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Fortoye Drak
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Posted - 2003.09.04 13:39:00 -
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[OOC] Ragnar do you support any OOG attacks or RL threats?
No I do not. I do ask that people do not steal from the website that I privately own and have for my friends and family. I donÆt feel comfortable with others in there, thanks. As for TTI or me ever going after someone OOG about in-game issues, I am 100 percent against that. Additionally, neither I nor anyone I know did anything to shut down the Scope. They reproduced my interview in full, which I told them I appreciated. People say TTI shut down the scope... another baseless lie. As everyone that knows me knows, I want to keep it all in the game.
[/OOC]
What is interesting is how this self-made press conference isnt actually for any of us but is for the TTi membership.
Internal division and suspicion over Ragnars involvement with The Scope has caused a lot of questions.
This attempt to deny any involvement at all is interesting as it is a very desperate bid to keep his position in TTI.
Should anybody publish proof of Ragnars true invovlement with The Scope then we can be sure that he will find himself not only looking desperately stupid, but also a pathological liar in the eyes of everybody.
Ragnar himself no doubt feels confident this will not happen, however our sources indicate that his confidence is misplaced.
Yes Ragnar, chew on that, a mole within that other organisation you so like contacting in RL... what now the price of retracting your words above?
Press Liason
Big-Bang Burger Bar - Neocom Site |
Neptunus
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Posted - 2003.09.04 13:40:00 -
[54]
I am beginning to think these Jericho Faction people are a living in a fantasy world.
As for people that think Ragnar has a runaway ego or whatever, I don't even think you read the substance of what he said! He said over and over again glowing things about his friends and allies and even said that any number of people could lead Taggart. Hey, someone has to come out and speak for the corp, no? And at least he keeps in in RP and fun. It's good to see a response from Taggart anyway. My experiences in game with them have been very good.
And people who are upset with Ragnar interviewing Ragnar, if you look in that same forum you see an interview from just a few days ago with The Scope. The questions Ragnar asked himself were good, hard, and funny questions I thought. Clearly some of you are such TTI haters you will never be happy I can tell.
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Havana
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Posted - 2003.09.04 13:43:00 -
[55]
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For crying out loud, would SOMEONE come up with an arguement BESIDES class warfare, personal attacks, and generalized bull**** to attack TTI?
INO, MDW, The Scope.
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2003.09.04 13:44:00 -
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Darion: That's why we exercise common sense, and listen to the other people who might know of the issue.
People were told by TTi that, no, they hadn't hired m0o/sin.
People were told by other pirate corporations that they hadn't heard a word about this bounty money on FA.
People had explained to them in agonizing detail why such a move on TTi's part made no sense when considered in the context of their corporate philosophy.
All of these points were dismissed, and anyone who asked for more proof or verification on the matter was accused of being a TTi alt :)
I tend to not believe things I hear, unless I see them ingame, or they are confirmed by multiple people who are not trying to hide their identities.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.09.04 13:46:00 -
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And people who are upset with Ragnar interviewing Ragnar, if you look in that same forum you see an interview from just a few days ago with The Scope.
You wont find any interview with The Scope though will you? Because that interview was pulled when The Scope got ****-canned into "weather and weddings".
Now go ask your boss to say the same as he has above but strapped to a lie detector. You will be surprised at the results.
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The Wretch
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Posted - 2003.09.04 13:49:00 -
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Yoseph Cohen,
Ingnorance must be your bliss.
You simply have no idea.
The Wretch
Cyberdyne Systems CEO
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Ragnar
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Posted - 2003.09.04 13:51:00 -
[59]
Edited by: Ragnar on 04/09/2003 14:04:43
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Ragnar himself no doubt feels confident this will not happen, however our sources indicate that his confidence is misplaced.
[OOC]
Hey Drak, bite my shiny metal ass.
I didn't have anything to do with The Scope being shut down and I didn't direct anyone at CCP or Taggart or anywhere else to do it. Yes, I can't control everyone at Taggart with my evil hypnosis, and maybe they did something, but whatever happened your guess is as good as mine.
I gave a long hour long interview to the Scope and thought thier blue text in game was pretty dang cool.
Okay now go and do something valuable with your life. Stop ****in' in our sandbox.
[OOC] (as for other comments in this thread I let my statement on our website stand)
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Taggart Transdimensional, Inc.
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Yoseph Cohen
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Posted - 2003.09.04 13:51:00 -
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Quote:
Yoseph Cohen,
Ingnorance must be your bliss.
You simply have no idea.
For the last freaking time, use an arguement besides lame one liners, cliches, and fake logs that say XXX> YYY>.
Yoseph Cohen
Aluf
Israeli Defense Forces
Yoseph Cohen
Aluf
Israeli Defense Forces
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Tristan
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Posted - 2003.09.04 13:54:00 -
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Yoseph Cohen, have you ANY clue?
We wish TTI would fight, they dont though. they hire pirates to do it for them or run in the other direction fast.
When we do fight them, they get their biomass handed to them. id run too.
Know what you are talking about before you care to voiciferate again please.
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Darion MacVale
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Posted - 2003.09.04 13:58:00 -
[62]
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Darion: That's why we exercise common sense, and listen to the other people who might know of the issue.
People were told by TTi that, no, they hadn't hired m0o/sin.
People were told by other pirate corporations that they hadn't heard a word about this bounty money on FA.
People had explained to them in agonizing detail why such a move on TTi's part made no sense when considered in the context of their corporate philosophy.
All of these points were dismissed, and anyone who asked for more proof or verification on the matter was accused of being a TTi alt :)
I tend to not believe things I hear, unless I see them ingame, or they are confirmed by multiple people who are not trying to hide their identities.
Purely playing devil's advocate here, because I like a good discussion/arguement. 
Naturally, TTI would deny hiring a pirate corp to in order to protect their benevolant image. By the same token (remind me to shoot my chemistry teacher for that phrase...) the pirate corps might have been given incentive to keep quiet/deny their involvement with taggart as many miners/suppliers might have issues with doing business with corps who consort with pirates.
As far as corporate philosophy goes, I've seen acts and words here on this forum that go against everything I know of Taggart's philosophy, most notably the personal, out of game attack by Cteatis (I know I spelled that wrong...I'll edit it shortly) a day or so ago. Granted, that was an extreme case, but noteworthy.
The question of proof: When evidence was indeed presented, it was decried as doctored or manipluated in some way, or even entirely made up. As Tournsoul said above, it's laughably easy to falsify text logs, images or other game media to suit one's own purpose. What, then, would have been accepted as solid gold proof? As jaded as I am, I can't think of anything that I couldn't look at and say "it is entirely possible that this is forged in some manner."
Quite frankly, I'm with you in that I trust what I see in game more than I do with things that are posted on this and other boards. If I know the poster personally, then I'm inclined to give it more credability, but even still, I'd rather have witnessed the even first hand. As I stated before, I can come her and say that I pilot my ship while wearing a pink fluffy tutu( ), then turn around and say it was a joke. Who else but me (and the occasional peeping tom) would know for certain?
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.09.04 13:59:00 -
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Quote:
Edited by: Ragnar on 04/09/2003 13:52:36
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Ragnar himself no doubt feels confident this will not happen, however our sources indicate that his confidence is misplaced.
[OOC]
Hey Drak, bite my shiny metal ass.
I didn't have anything to do with The Scope being shut down and I didn't direct anyone at CCP or Taggart or anywhere else to do it. Yes, I can't control everyone at Taggart with my evil hypnosis, and maybe they did something, but whatever happened your guess is as good as mine.
I gave a long hour long interview to the Scope and thought thier blue text in game was pretty dang cool.
Okay now go and do something valuable with your life. Stop ****in' in our sandbox.
Answer this question then Mr:
"Did you officially complain to CCP/Polaris about The Scope?"
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Mr Blonde
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Posted - 2003.09.04 14:02:00 -
[64]
Ragnar you still havent answered my question
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Sedsiss
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Posted - 2003.09.04 14:03:00 -
[65]
That's our sandbox now Ragnar.
Stomps into the sand and watches Ragnar run away.
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Josephine
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Posted - 2003.09.04 14:06:00 -
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Josephine, do you actually know what you're talking about?
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I've still not found any reasoning for TTI to attack fountain through pirate means when they are trying to focus their operations on strenghtening Venal alliance at the same time
I'll give you a reason....they weren't EVER attempting to strengthen the Venal Alliance. Go read the whole Venal thread again, and you will find that they refused to aid the alliance.
I'll do this in short sentences this tme around. Perhaps people have problems with advanced grammar. TTI makes loud public statement. They move to Venal. They move their ships to venal. They become part of Venal alliance.
Their ally, Xanadu moves to fountain. Together they thus both have control within of 2 of the big 3 regional alliances. TTI moving to Venal is TTI strengthening Venal. TTI posting they move to venal is strengthening Venal alliance.
Now what does paying off a pirate who doesn't do merc work, like TTI or the game for that matter give TTI ? Nothing. Why do you even assume Stavr0s would even talk to TTI, let alone decide to accept an offer for a kill on fountain ships? And above all give me one good reason why TTI would like to annoy a region half around the universe where their ally is a dominant force?
As for TTI not aiding the alliance. All I have read is that TTI refused to pay war funds in relation to their own size. TTI has lost ships in Venal, they have fought alongside the other VA members, I would say that is aiding the alliance.
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2003.09.04 14:22:00 -
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TTI moving to Venal is TTI strengthening Venal.
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TTi never 'moved' to the alliance - the place was lousy with them for a long time before the alliance was formed. If you think I'm lying look at the huge number of multiple offices they have in Venal - when office space as been gone for so long that even the 'Venal Guardians' (a founder member of the VA) didn't have an office in Venal!
TTi simply made a deal with the VA in the same way that they have made NAP deals with M0o in the past and the way that they are allied to M3G4 now. This sort of thing is their modus operandi.
When they found out that they'd have to expend slightly more effort than the bare minimum and that other corporations might want a say in Venal it was too much for them to handle.
The 500M that is frequently mentioned is rather fallacious in any case. 500M was not demanded of them - it was given as an example, if Jericho could offer 50M then why was TTi offering nothing when proportionately Jericho's offering was equivalent to TTi offering 500. This is not the first time I've mentioned this, but it seems to be conveniently forgotten by the average rabid TTi supporter who sees a red under every bed.
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The Surgeon
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Posted - 2003.09.04 14:33:00 -
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Edited by: The Surgeon on 04/09/2003 14:39:10
Edited by: The Surgeon on 04/09/2003 14:36:01
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He said over and over again glowing things about his friends and allies and even said that any number of people could lead Taggart.
1) If he doesn't suck up to his "Paid" allies, then he wont have any left and....
2) Any number of people could lead Taggart? No doubts about that whatsoever. Go ask Ragnar to resign...see what happens.
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The questions Ragnar asked himself were good, hard, and funny questions I thought. Clearly some of you are such TTI haters you will never be happy I can tell.
Sorry, missed the whole point there, my friend. The fact that Ragnar interviewed Ragnar is whats so crotch-grabbingly cringeworthy about the whole thing. It very likely took him an age to come up with the answers to his own questions, which is quite frankly, a joke. I say a proper interview done by his peers would make more sense, instead of a fiction. Which is what he wrote.....good fiction, and a good read, but fantasy nonetheless.
Ok, Mr Yoseph Cohen. Firstly I will ask that you NEVER EVER use a bastardisation of Winston Churchill when speaking about someone like Ragnar and what he should do. It's almost offensive in it's absurdity.
If you actually knew anything at all about Ragnar and TTi then you would take that and reverse your own advice. For example:
Ragnar and TTi forbids any of their members to make a post on the EVE forums without his express permission. If this is broken, they are fined a rather hefty amount, and if unable to pay, they get booted from the corp.
How about the fact that TTi is no more than a core shell of eliteist players. In actuality TTi comprises of Ragnar and his closest friends, with the rest of the membership consisting of the people who are poorly treated, and bound to his insane rules...sorry "Laws".
You call the TTi haters communist? Have you even visited TTi's website? Their very core belief is facist in it's nature. I suggest you read This thread, specifically what Riddari refers to about 2 thirds of the way down the page regards the writings of Ayn Rand. Enjoy that, I'm sure you'll find it specifically enlightening.
Josephine....
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I'll do this in short sentences this tme around. Perhaps people have problems with advanced grammar.
Not at all....I have a problem with people who can't read, and dont understand facts, and if you are going to quote grammar, please spell correctly. The word is "Time" not "Tme".
As has been noted below your post by Athule, TTi did NOT strengthen Venal at all. They appeared, joined and did bugger all. To say that their very joining strengthened Venal? Please consider that their joining basically made Venal a target for people to attack.....I'd call that more a threat to Venal rather than a strengthening. What happened after TTi joined Venal? Venal got attacked...odd that.
Consider that the vast majority of ships lost in Venal did NOT belong to TTi, they belonged to the other alliance members...why? 'Cos TTi sat on their backside and watched other people do the fighting for them.....as they are doing once again.
There will come a day very soon when TTi wont have anyone left to call upon to fight their foetid corner......
"Examined......Diagnosed......Now comes the Surgery."
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2003.09.04 14:37:00 -
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Quote:
As has been noted below your post by Athule, TTi did NOT strengthen Venal at all. They appeared, joined and did bugger all. To say that their very joining strengthened Venal? Please consider that their joining basically made Venal a target for people to attack.....I'd call that more a threat to Venal rather than a strengthening. What happened after TTi joined Venal? Venal got attacked...odd that.
Not exactly true. When the 30 odd asteroidbelts in 4Y-CFK respawned their bistot, they were very, very fast in mining em out ;)
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Doctor Angry
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Posted - 2003.09.04 14:40:00 -
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Doctor Angry
BSC CEO
Campbells Condensed : A small double strength fart which, when combined with air, can produce enough to feed a whole room |
Laird
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Posted - 2003.09.04 14:40:00 -
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Hmm....Its funny how history repeats itself.
TTI, We do the same now as we did in beta...We form alliances then down the line when its suits us we backstab them.
Ragnar..Maybe you need to take a step back and take a good long look at who is in your corp, how it is run, and your relations with other corps past and present. You might find some answers as to why TTI is despised so much. And then maybe, just maybe, you can repair the damage.
Just my own 2isk worth into this thread.
Commodore Laird, Human Resources Officer
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Raven DeBlade
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Posted - 2003.09.04 14:46:00 -
[72]
Did you officially complain to CCP/Polaris about The Scope? I would like to know this!
"To hunt pirates you need time and patience, because even monkeys fall from the trees"
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.09.04 14:57:00 -
[73]
Quote:
Did you officially complain to CCP/Polaris about The Scope? I would like to know this!
Dont hold your breath.
He is busy penning yet another complaint about us asking that very question.
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The Surgeon
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Posted - 2003.09.04 14:58:00 -
[74]
Quote:
As I stated before, I can come her and say that I pilot my ship while wearing a pink fluffy tutu(), then turn around and say it was a joke. Who else but me (and the occasional peeping tom) would know for certain?
Apparently, a spy corp has the pictures.....beware....it will soon appear in EVEFETISH Magazine
Pink fluffy tu-tu.....rofl...nice one
"Examined......Diagnosed......Now comes the Surgery."
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Ragnar
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Posted - 2003.09.04 15:00:00 -
[75]
Quote:
Did you officially complain to CCP/Polaris about The Scope? I would like to know this!
No.
I am surprised there was any ambiguity in my previous two statements. I had nothing to do at all in any direct or indirect way with the shutdown of the Scope. Thanks. Why don't you ask CCP who did it? Wasn't me... just like I said, your guess is as good as mine.
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Ragnar Danneskj÷ld
Taggart Transdimensional, Inc.
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2003.09.04 15:00:00 -
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I haven't actually seen any reason whatsoever to think TTi was responsible for getting the Scope canned.
If I recall, there were many TTi members who stated their support for Scope, and desire to see it returned to covering actualy news.
Naturally, TTI would deny hiring a pirate corp to in order to protect their benevolant image. By the same token (remind me to shoot my chemistry teacher for that phrase...) the pirate corps might have been given incentive to keep quiet/deny their involvement with taggart as many miners/suppliers might have issues with doing business with corps who consort with pirates.
As far as corporate philosophy goes, I've seen acts and words here on this forum that go against everything I know of Taggart's philosophy, most notably the personal, out of game attack by Cteatis (I know I spelled that wrong...I'll edit it shortly) a day or so ago. Granted, that was an extreme case, but noteworthy.
The question of proof: When evidence was indeed presented, it was decried as doctored or manipluated in some way, or even entirely made up. As Tournsoul said above, it's laughably easy to falsify text logs, images or other game media to suit one's own purpose. What, then, would have been accepted as solid gold proof? As jaded as I am, I can't think of anything that I couldn't look at and say "it is entirely possible that this is forged in some manner."
"Quite frankly, I'm with you in that I trust what I see in game more than I do with things that are posted on this and other boards. If I know the poster personally, then I'm inclined to give it more credability, but even still, I'd rather have witnessed the even first hand. As I stated before, I can come her and say that I pilot my ship while wearing a pink fluffy tutu(), then turn around and say it was a joke. Who else but me (and the occasional peeping tom) would know for certain?"
Any lone piece of evidence presented as proof can certainly be considered as possibly a doctored image :) Its all about the corroborating evidence, from numerous other people. (not anonymous forum accounts :P)
For example: If someone presented a log of some one swearing in a chat channel and demanded he be banned, yet this was denied by the accused and everyone else there, then you could conclude it was fake 'evidence'.
On the other hand, if multiple other unbiased people who were there came forward and said "yes, i remember that," or even had logs themselves, then you might think there is something to it :)
Of course in secret transactions it's going to be hard to either prove or disprove the allegations - which is why I tend to ignore any claims that so and so secretly agreed to such and such. Only really CCP could put the issue to rest. :)
In such cases you pretty much have to ask yourself "What would so and so have to gain from this, is it plausible, and, morever, do we see any evidence in this borne out by peoples actions in game?"
While you may convince yourself that TTi might have something to gain from putting bounties on FA members, when you see that there is an almost complete abscence of pirate and mercenary corporations in FA killing people, you have to wonder if the claim has any basis :)
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Yoshokun
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Posted - 2003.09.04 15:07:00 -
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Edited by: Yoshokun on 04/09/2003 15:12:32
We'd like to state for the record that Cteasis was not fired from TTI for his statements and the resulting petition filed by Jade.
If we're so bad with PR as you all love ranting about so much here, then do you really think we care? Think about it.
Ctaesis has departed TTI due to RL issues. Sorry, but no intrigue for you!
And on The Scope...
03/09/2003 00:18:00
<Yoshokun> http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=29649 <-- Guys, if you want, you can sign in support of The Scope.
<Leblivyl> who shot them down?
<callidus> TTI of course. TTI does everything.
<Yoshokun> Yes, it was the grand controlling hand of TTI that destroys all things people love, including furry bunny wabbits and Christmas.
<callidus> yeah, velvet glove on an iron fist, etc.
<Vigo> So THAT'S why there's no fuzzy bunnies in space...
<Yoshokun> Yes. =*(
<Vigo> It's OUR fault. I was wondering.
<callidus> and incidentally, i d like to compliment our cook on a most delicious rabbit rizotto i had last night
* Yoshokun seconds that.
<Vigo> And the hasenpfeffer the night before...yum!
* Yoshokun nods in agreement.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.09.04 15:13:00 -
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'hello, popcorn express? yes, I'd like a supertub of sweet popcorn please'
'delivery? er yes, to my house, please'
'Time? oh, give me an hour to get home from work, and ten minutes to prepare my entertainment lounge'
*click*
I'll try to read through all this when I get home. please don't get the thread deleted...
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Tsel
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Posted - 2003.09.04 15:14:00 -
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I m sure i speak for most when i say that the small businessmen welcome comments from the CEO of TTi.
Although the associations with known pirating corps can arguably be troubling at times, the fact of the manner remains that TTi, from the perspective of a small investor/businessman, is a great and trustworthy organization to deal with. The larger Corporations have themselves hidden aggendas, that quite often will conflict with the success of TTi. And as such, it is only normal for them to attempt a smear campaign. I would note though that i m somewhat dissappointed by the BSC who appears to have thrown their lot against TTi .. and for what reasons, i m not sure ... I ve had dealings with the BSC before and would have expected better of them then to listen to the ravings of some vocal minority...
I m still baffled though at the naivity of some people, especially of those from this so called NVA (a more appropriate name would be 'The Rejects'). They tried to dissolve their original alliance by bringing a motion to expulse TTi from the region. It was defeated (5 out of 12). Those small Corporations should have then known that to bring such a vote and lose would obviously result in dire consequences. It s basic logic that if you ask for a vote of confidence and lose, then you yourself will be asked to leave ... What did they think? That TTi would just let them stay??
I say again, thank you to Mr Ragnar for taking the time to address the general populace, and rest assured that not all are swayed by the screechings of a few warped souls.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.09.04 15:17:00 -
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Quote:
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Did you officially complain to CCP/Polaris about The Scope? I would like to know this!
No.
I am surprised there was any ambiguity in my previous two statements. I had nothing to do at all in any direct or indirect way with the shutdown of the Scope. Thanks. Why don't you ask CCP who did it? Wasn't me... just like I said, your guess is as good as mine.
THANK YOU!THANK YOU!THANK YOU!THANK YOU!
THANK YOU!THANK YOU!THANK YOU!THANK YOU!
THANK YOU!THANK YOU!THANK YOU!THANK YOU!
Thank you.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2003.09.04 15:25:00 -
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Quote:
THANK YOU!THANK YOU!THANK YOU!THANK YOU!
THANK YOU!THANK YOU!THANK YOU!THANK YOU!
THANK YOU!THANK YOU!THANK YOU!THANK YOU!
Thank you.
Someone's in trouuuubleeee..
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2003.09.04 15:28:00 -
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First up, on the asking TTi leave implying that the voters should have been asked to leave. Fair enough - TTi did not do that they declared war.
On other OOC matters:
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We'd like to state for the record that Cteasis was not fired from TTI for his statements and the resulting petition filed by Jade.
If we're so bad with PR as you all love ranting about so much here, then do you really think we care? Think about it.
Well I guess we were right, you are pretty bad at PR and you don't care if your members hack into other people's IRC convos to get real life information to make attacks on the forums. I guess you also think it's fine for Ctaesis to blackmail CCP into answering petitions by threatening to post exploits for all to see on the forums, as he wasn't thrown out after that incident either.
For the record, Jade thought it was pretty funny too - but what if it had been done on you, or used a piece of information that you found sensitive or perhaps you think it's fine for people in your corp to go around doing that sort of thing?
Finally, my personal opinion is that it is almost certain that neither Ragnar or TTi as an organisation complain about scope - although it is entirely possible that a member of TTi did without the knowledge of Ragnar or TTi (but that can be said about any corp so to use it as a stick to beat TTi with is a bit pointless - there are plenty of other sticks already). The reason I say that it is possible is that the only two people who expressed a negative opinion on scope on the forums were TTi members. My vote is that the whole issue is dropped as hopefully the new journalists will come up with the goods and be an honourable successor to scope.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.09.04 15:37:00 -
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Here here!
Now that Ragnar has made his stance and lack of involvement absolutely clear there seem no point in pursuing the matter any further.
Thanks again to the TTi CEO for clearing up any misinformation about this issue.
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Darion MacVale
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Posted - 2003.09.04 15:42:00 -
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Quote:
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As I stated before, I can come her and say that I pilot my ship while wearing a pink fluffy tutu(), then turn around and say it was a joke. Who else but me (and the occasional peeping tom) would know for certain?
Apparently, a spy corp has the pictures.....beware....it will soon appear in EVEFETISH Magazine
Aw, nuts....
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ChandraGupta
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Posted - 2003.09.04 16:05:00 -
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Removed - Orestes
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.09.04 16:08:00 -
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Removed - Orestes
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Stavros
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Posted - 2003.09.04 16:12:00 -
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The reason many people WANT to kill you is because you post meaningless crap like that.
And as for the tti shutting down scope, well yeah whatever...
Stav
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.09.04 16:24:00 -
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He got a better look at the crowd and saw some new fresh faces and some old bitter ones. Always a hostile crowd mixed in there...
I did like this bit though... when you consider the guy is talking to himself it is very funny... or a rather frightening freudian slip.
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2003.09.04 18:23:00 -
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Quote:
Here here!
Now that Ragnar has made his stance and lack of involvement absolutely clear there seem no point in pursuing the matter any further.
Thanks again to the TTi CEO for clearing up any misinformation about this issue.
*slideways glance at Morkt*
would assuming you're up to something just be overwhelmingly redundant, or what?
*looks askance at Disco*
*wanders off muttering something about 'strange bedfellows...'*
You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike. |
Malikon
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Posted - 2003.09.04 18:29:00 -
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just an outsider looking in, but it was completely logical for the old VA to explore alternatives when faced with the prospect of losing its fight with FA. one of those alternatives was removing TTI; they explored it and the majority voted to initially keep them in. while i can understand being resentful of those that voted against you, to carry it to extreme seems uncalled for. instead of becoming hostile towards those 5 corps, wouldn't it have made more sense to evaluate your relations with the alliance as a whole to determine if there were policies you could change to strengthen the alliance. those 5 corps voted against you for a reason, did you ever ask why and look to see what you could do to ensure they voted for you in the future?
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Riddari
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Posted - 2003.09.04 18:50:00 -
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Edited by: Riddari on 04/09/2003 19:34:59
My informants supplied me with this picture taken backstage at the press conference of Ragnar being comforted by Tehel after Ragnars brave stand before... himself?!
*edited for typo
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MindBender
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Posted - 2003.09.04 19:08:00 -
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To Quote from this absurd press conference
ôAbout a week after EvolutionÆs attacks began in Venal, TTI did begin operations to disrupt business in Fountain. Each time mining was shut down in Fountain, the message would be uttered in local comm., æThis business shutdown brought to you courtesy of EvolutionÆ.
I would like to ask exactly when these supposed mining shutdowns occured. The ONLY time mining has EVER stopped in fountain was a 2 day stretch when m0o/RUS/Sinistar sent in a huge force. This was at the very beginning of the alliance and before we were organized. This was long before the TTI/Evol war and there have been NO stoppages since then.
Every Forray TTI and friends has made into Fountain itself has met with utter defeat.
I truely feel sorry for th allies of TTI. Each of the attacks on fountain have consisted of a maximum 1 member of TTI and the rest were their allies. So, as happened in the Venal Alliance, TTI lets it's allies fight its battles while it sits back and reaps the rewards and suffers minimal losses. This is indeed pitiful for a corporation as large as TTI and speaks louder than any press conference.
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2003.09.04 19:34:00 -
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I truely feel sorry for th allies of TTI. Each of the attacks on fountain have consisted of a maximum 1 member of TTI and the rest were their allies. So, as happened in the Venal Alliance, TTI lets it's allies fight its battles while it sits back and reaps the rewards and suffers minimal losses. This is indeed pitiful for a corporation as large as TTI and speaks louder than any press conference.
I feel sorrier for anyone who thought they'd get 'special' treatment from hypercapitalist Randies. They'll cheerfully stab you in the back and send you a bill for the blade... all the while explaining why they're your best friend.
You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike. |
QBall
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Posted - 2003.09.04 19:45:00 -
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Um... your missing the part where you say sorry for threatening to "try" and kill Cyberdyne, and begging me to fix all your problems.
Way to attempt to dodge all the big question. God damn you can't put a good spin on anything.
No wonder your corp is in trouble lol.
*send's Ragnar a free pass to a poly science course*
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"OMG IT'S TRAMMEL 2.0!!!!"
-QBall
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PropanElgen
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Posted - 2003.09.05 05:50:00 -
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Does TTI think ppl actually believe the bull**** they write in their so-called press releases?
TTI = bunch of liars
Ragnar = Psychopath
All the angels and the puny men of god looked away...
Frightened to death by the evil that was born on that day!
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Mongo Peck
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Posted - 2003.09.05 07:35:00 -
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Well, this thread has it all, abuse, liars, half truths etc etc ....
Lets face it ..... this is all about two side falling out in Venal. Whatever side you are fighting for "their right" and the rest "in your eyes" will be just talking rubbish .....
If you support either side, get off the forum, get into space and lets fight it out ...
Mongo speaks !!
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Decairn
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Posted - 2003.09.05 22:24:00 -
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AFAIK, Taggart were in Venal as the core location from day one of the big move of high value minerals to 0.0 space, before that it was Lonetrek. Venal Alliance came well after that, and was more of a NAP agreement with other corps that also wanted to participate in the regions profits. The NAP just made doing business in the area simpler.
For assumptions on their wealth it's just that, pure assumption and conjecture. What would truely sort it out, and allow for public disclosure and correctly directing your hate to the most wealthy corps, is a CCP calculation of ISK based on say mineral value of your possessions which gets posted to a website weekly and ranks by corp for example. It's probaby not feasible, but it would make for some fun targetting of the real wealth for those that get a kick out of such things.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2003.09.06 02:45:00 -
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Heh nice fiction as usual.. But a little too self-aggrandizing and egotistical for me to enjoy it :/
http://www.eve-ix.com/ <- read interview with Jade.
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vf142rex
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Posted - 2003.09.06 03:43:00 -
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Jade's interview was pure comedy & fiction,,,but thats okay, I forgive you |
Singular
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Posted - 2003.09.06 04:24:00 -
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The hubris of it all...look you little geek in your mom's basement, you don't have a secretary, you arent worried about the galaxy, you are just a POS looking out only for #1, like most of the rest of the galaxy. Your ego is/will be the downfall of your corp.
Now hurry upstairs, mama has a microwave pizza all ready for you and your playmates!
Im Yo Huckleberreh |
Raven DeBlade
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Posted - 2003.09.06 15:21:00 -
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Who even cares what TTI says anymore? I certainly dont!
"To hunt pirates you need time and patience, because even monkeys fall from the trees"
"Any statements made above this line are my persona" |
Darion MacVale
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Posted - 2003.09.06 15:40:00 -
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Now hurry upstairs, mama has a microwave pizza all ready for you and your playmates!
OOooooo!! Pizza!!
*wanders away to the kitchen...*
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Skillz
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Posted - 2003.09.06 19:38:00 -
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Why not kill off all TTi and destroy them completely so we don't have to see them around anymore???
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2003.09.06 21:12:00 -
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That's what we've been trying to do!
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zoop
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Posted - 2003.09.06 21:24:00 -
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but then ebay would lose out ;)
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*My God, it's full of gimps*
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Skillz
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Posted - 2003.09.06 21:48:00 -
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I hope you clean out their corporately arrogant bells.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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