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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2011.11.05 04:33:00 -
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Please, no more camo ships in space.. You want to make "camo" ships make them pitch black. I don't think bright green against a black background is something one would call camouflage..
Besides it looks ugly. I think most of the people whose opinions you value have made it clear that gallente camo ships are ugly. Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |

Alpheias
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
135
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Posted - 2011.11.05 04:34:00 -
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Seen yourself in the mirror lately?
No? I thought so... I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |

Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
271
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Posted - 2011.11.05 04:35:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:Seen yourself in the mirror lately?
No? I thought so...
Still got it. Why? Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |

T' Elk
Clearly Compensating The Dark Triad
114
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Posted - 2011.11.05 04:41:00 -
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You're both ******* ugly. God wears-áRay Ban Aviators. |

Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
271
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Posted - 2011.11.05 04:42:00 -
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T' Elk wrote:You're both ******* ugly.
Now imagine us with army camo paint.
Thats the point. Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
199
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Posted - 2011.11.05 04:47:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:T' Elk wrote:You're both ******* ugly. Now imagine us with army camo paint. Thats the point.
I hate to say this, but in your case it would look pretty appropriate. 
To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |

Alpheias
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
135
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Posted - 2011.11.05 04:51:00 -
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T' Elk wrote:You're both ******* ugly.
You look like something not even your own mother could love. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |

Covert Kitty
SRS Industries SRS.
20
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Posted - 2011.11.05 04:52:00 -
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I agree, no more camo, though I doubt they were going to |

Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
271
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Posted - 2011.11.05 04:54:00 -
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Covert Kitty wrote:lol duel reps.... fail fit, but besides that unless the thrasher wasn't moving/painted/webbed, etc or something your not going to hit it with battleship guns. So of course you died.
working as intended :)
erm.. buddy, i think you posted on the wrong thread.
This must be the one you were trying to post in. Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |

Joelleaveek
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2011.11.05 04:59:00 -
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Why are so many people anti-camo? The truth of the matter is ship color is irrelevant. No paint job is going to prevent your ship from showing up on the overview. So the navies/pirates might as well paint their ships in a way that clearly stats its purpose.
I for one like camo ships. The new Caldari navy camo is fantastic.  |
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
272
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Posted - 2011.11.05 05:01:00 -
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Joelleaveek wrote:Why are so many people anti-camo? The truth of the matter is ship color is irrelevant. No paint job is going to prevent your ship from showing up on the overview. So the navies/pirates might as well paint their ships in a way that clearly stats its purpose. I for one like camo ships. The new Caldari navy camo is fantastic. 
Tell that to the people inside the station taking a peek out of the window trying to see if undock is clear.... Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |

Joelleaveek
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2011.11.05 05:04:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:Joelleaveek wrote:Why are so many people anti-camo? The truth of the matter is ship color is irrelevant. No paint job is going to prevent your ship from showing up on the overview. So the navies/pirates might as well paint their ships in a way that clearly stats its purpose. I for one like camo ships. The new Caldari navy camo is fantastic.  Tell that to the people inside the station taking a peek out of the window trying to see if undock is clear....
Please tell me how you've unlocked this feature. |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
199
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Posted - 2011.11.05 05:05:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:Joelleaveek wrote:Why are so many people anti-camo? The truth of the matter is ship color is irrelevant. No paint job is going to prevent your ship from showing up on the overview. So the navies/pirates might as well paint their ships in a way that clearly stats its purpose. I for one like camo ships. The new Caldari navy camo is fantastic.  Tell that to the people inside the station taking a peek out of the window trying to see if undock is clear....
Errrr. so in that scenario you're saying that the green Gallante camo against the green nebulae of their home systems WOULD be effective?
Whose side are you on, anyway?  To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |

Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
272
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Posted - 2011.11.05 05:16:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:Joelleaveek wrote:Why are so many people anti-camo? The truth of the matter is ship color is irrelevant. No paint job is going to prevent your ship from showing up on the overview. So the navies/pirates might as well paint their ships in a way that clearly stats its purpose. I for one like camo ships. The new Caldari navy camo is fantastic.  Tell that to the people inside the station taking a peek out of the window trying to see if undock is clear.... Errrr. so in that scenario you're saying that the green Gallante camo against the green nebulae of their home systems WOULD be effective? Whose side are you on, anyway? 
Black would work just as well. And would be appliable in a lot more places. Unless you think the gallente would be camping the undock of their own stations?
Its all ridiculous anyway.. the whole nebula thing. So the future people decided that the best place to live was inside nebulas and star nurseries.
facepalms... Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |

Dalloway Jones
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
56
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Posted - 2011.11.05 05:20:00 -
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As someone who absolutely hates the camo ships and thinks they are one of the dumbest things in this game I just got back from the test server and I have to say it doesn't look so bad now that the ships have been updated.
Also presumably with this new texturing in place we will eventually be able to reskin our ships somehow so hopefully if you don't like the camo you can just buy a new skin.
The camo on the Navy Comet and Hookbill is a big mistake though. They should really change that back. |

Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
260
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Posted - 2011.11.05 05:22:00 -
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well, the firetail went from green space camo to actual space camo (pitch black). |

Lord Mandelor
Consolidated Holdings War Ensemble.
20
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Posted - 2011.11.05 05:24:00 -
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What if they need to land in the middle of a forest on a planet? ConHo Daily: http://conhodaily.blogspot.com Stories ranging from midgets inside your Damage Control to drones becoming self-aware. |

Jenshae Chiroptera
102
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Posted - 2011.11.05 05:29:00 -
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Lord Mandelor wrote:What if they need to land in the middle of a forest on a planet?
What if they need to land in a desert on a planet?  CSM do you think? No matter the changes, high sec people chose the safests. Lots of stick and they will leave. Half the problem is the players in null sec; we do not want to be there with you. |

Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
16
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Posted - 2011.11.05 05:31:00 -
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how d hell im gonna hide behind bushes without that como its an frikin suicide. |

Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
272
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Posted - 2011.11.05 05:32:00 -
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Lord Mandelor wrote:What if they need to land in the middle of a forest on a planet? They can use cloaks for that. As long as they don't decide to travel back in time to pick up whales, and land in the middle of a park, on top of a thrash can.
Everyone will be able to see the sunken spots on the lawn. Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
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Alice Katsuko
Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing
32
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Posted - 2011.11.05 07:10:00 -
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Real-life navies haven't used human eyesight to spot ships for close to half a century, thanks to the magic of radar, so the color of a ship doesn't really matter in reality for most purposes, much less in EVE space. Besides which, space isn't actually "black," and if you were to make a perfectly non-reflective paint then your enemy would just look for the empty hole in the sky. If anything, paint schemes on EVE ships are more akin to uniforms identifying the pilot's allegiance -- keep in mind that the faction ships were designed originally for use by the originating faction's pilots, no doubt most faction ships are held by faction pilots rather than capsuleers, and the paint scheme serves as free advertising for the faction.
That said, real-life navies did use camo-like paint schemes. See the Wiki article on the subject as well. Part of the idea was to break-up the silhouette of the ship so that it would be difficult to visually ascertain its size and bearing. The same principle could be applied to ships in EVE.
Besides which, this is a game about imaginary spaceships that behave like bowling balls in a tub of oil. Why worry about realism? |

Jenshae Chiroptera
105
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Posted - 2011.11.05 14:56:00 -
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Alice Katsuko wrote:... If anything, paint schemes on EVE ships are more akin to uniforms identifying the pilot's allegiance -- ...
... and there are more distinctive and unique patterns that can be used which are not tied to half a hundred different armies. CSM do you think? No matter the changes, high sec people chose the safests. Lots of stick and they will leave. Half the problem is the players in null sec; we do not want to be there with you. |

Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
63
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Posted - 2011.11.05 14:59:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:Please, no more camo ships in space.. You want to make "camo" ships make them pitch black. I don't think bright green against a black background is something one would call camouflage..
Besides it looks ugly. I think most of the people whose opinions you value have made it clear that gallente camo ships are ugly.
im bumping this because the community is more or less in a consensus regarding space camo: take it out please. |

Bienator II
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
250
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Posted - 2011.11.05 15:12:00 -
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camo should give you 10% reduced signature radius in galente space. You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |

Jenshae Chiroptera
105
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Posted - 2011.11.05 16:10:00 -
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We need a poll for those that like and dislike the camo paint. All those that say they like it, their e-mail address is automatically forwarded to a shrink from the yellow pages.  CSM do you think? No matter the changes, high sec people chose the safests. Lots of stick and they will leave. Half the problem is the players in null sec; we do not want to be there with you. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1196
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Posted - 2011.11.05 16:11:00 -
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Hungry Eyes wrote:im bumping this because the community is more or less in a consensus regarding space camo: take it out please. GǪnot any more now that the Caldari have seen their new space camo.  GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

Zendoren
Aktaeon Industries The Black Armada
33
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Posted - 2011.11.05 16:17:00 -
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If you want camo in space CCP put a mirror finish on these ships! |

Swordfingers
Universal Freelance CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
2
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Posted - 2011.11.05 16:26:00 -
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Why do people always come with the "camo doesn't help in space" argument. Nothing helps you cover your ship in space paint-wise. It's camo beacause camo is traditional for military and/or navy. If you don't like it, then fine, but don't make a habbit of using silly arguments. |

Max Von Sydow
Droneboat Diplomacy
28
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Posted - 2011.11.05 16:26:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Hungry Eyes wrote:im bumping this because the community is more or less in a consensus regarding space camo: take it out please. GǪnot any more now that the Caldari have seen their new space camo. 
Well we are in a consensus about the gallente camo. |

Max Von Sydow
Droneboat Diplomacy
28
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Posted - 2011.11.05 16:27:00 -
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Swordfingers wrote:Why do people always come with the "camo doesn't help in space" argument. Nothing helps you cover your ship in space paint-wise. It's camo beacause camo is traditional for military and/or navy. If you don't like it, then fine, but don't make a habbit of using silly arguments.
It's not a silly argument. The camouflage is ugly and since it doesn't give any benefit we would rather have the ships look like this.
http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/graphics/ids/512/2139.jpg |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1196
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Posted - 2011.11.05 16:30:00 -
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Max Von Sydow wrote:Well we are in a consensus about the gallente camo. Not that either.
Quote:It's not a silly argument. Yes it is. It tries to hide an argument of aesthetics behind a deeply flawed notion of functionality. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

Max Von Sydow
Droneboat Diplomacy
28
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Posted - 2011.11.05 16:37:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Max Von Sydow wrote:Well we are in a consensus about the gallente camo. Not that either. Quote:It's not a silly argument. Yes it is. It tries to hide an argument of aesthetics behind a deeply flawed notion of functionality.
well the camo is both ugly and serves no function over a ship that looks like a pride parade I'd rather have ship that's aesthetically pleasing than a ship covered in snot for no better reason than it being military, and since it's the NAVY version it still doesn't make sense that it has forest camouflage. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1196
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Posted - 2011.11.05 16:42:00 -
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Max Von Sydow wrote:well the camo is both ugly and serves no function over a ship that looks like a pride parade I'd rather have ship that's aesthetically pleasing than a ship covered in snot for no better reason than it being military, and since it's the NAVY version it still doesn't make sense that it has forest camouflage. Sure it does. That green sky over in Gallente space surely makes the sea take no the same tinge, and we have no idea what the history of the colour is.
As for uglyGǪ meh, it's just camo. Nothing special or odd about it. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

Deryk Kyeld
Veteran Defense Initiative Imperium Directive
25
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Posted - 2011.11.05 16:43:00 -
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The CCP artist aren't going to reskin the Gal ship models just because of a few players. |

Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
0
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Posted - 2011.11.05 17:55:00 -
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Well theyve changed the skins on sis for the Gall navy ships. Made them a lot less green and a lot less tacky. Still got the camo pattern on certain panels but it doesnt look tacky at all |

Alice Katsuko
Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing
32
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Posted - 2011.11.05 17:57:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Alice Katsuko wrote:... If anything, paint schemes on EVE ships are more akin to uniforms identifying the pilot's allegiance -- ... ... and there are more distinctive and unique patterns that can be used which are not tied to half a hundred different armies.
Of course, if CCP were to paint all Gallente ships Smurf-blue we clearly wouldn't see just as many, if not more folk complaining about blue "not being functional," "ugly," or what have you. The CCP art team decided long ago what color scheme the different navy and faction ships would have; some like it and some do not. If CCP were to change things around, just as many people would complain. For example, some used to complain that the Federation Navy Comet looked odd or silly; now that CCP changed it to be in line with other Gallente ships, just as many people are complaining that it no longer looks "distinct."
The new textures are quite nice. They may not please everyone, but judging by the number of folk still starting daily whine threads on this forum, that is impossible to achieve.
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
279
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Posted - 2011.11.05 18:35:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Max Von Sydow wrote:Well we are in a consensus about the gallente camo. Not that either. Quote:It's not a silly argument. Yes it is. It tries to hide an argument of aesthetics behind a deeply flawed notion of functionality.
Then it makes the argument easier.
Just remove cause 84.36% of the forumplayerbase thinks its fugly.
No, that is not a made up number.
You have camo navy gallente, camo navy caldari, camo navy minmattar and beautifully painted navy amarr.
Amarr know better, as we all know. Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1198
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Posted - 2011.11.05 18:38:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:Just remove cause 84.36% of the forumplayerbase thinks its fugly.
No, that is not a made up number. Of course it is. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2011.11.05 18:39:00 -
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Space jungle camo is stupid |

Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
279
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Posted - 2011.11.05 18:39:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:Just remove cause 84.36% of the forumplayerbase thinks its fugly.
No, that is not a made up number. Of course it is.
roflmao i knew you would pick that up  Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
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Max Von Sydow
Droneboat Diplomacy
29
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Posted - 2011.11.05 18:42:00 -
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Alice Katsuko wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Alice Katsuko wrote:... If anything, paint schemes on EVE ships are more akin to uniforms identifying the pilot's allegiance -- ... ... and there are more distinctive and unique patterns that can be used which are not tied to half a hundred different armies. Of course, if CCP were to paint all Gallente ships Smurf-blue we clearly wouldn't see just as many, if not more folk complaining about blue "not being functional," "ugly," or what have you. The CCP art team decided long ago what color scheme the different navy and faction ships would have; some like it and some do not. If CCP were to change things around, just as many people would complain. For example, some used to complain that the Federation Navy Comet looked odd or silly; now that CCP changed it to be in line with other Gallente ships, just as many people are complaining that it no longer looks "distinct." The new textures are quite nice. They may not please everyone, but judging by the number of folk still starting daily whine threads on this forum, that is impossible to achieve.
No they didn't, the navy mega used to be black and grey, and the apocalypse navy issue used to look like the imperial issue.
http://www.eve-wiki.net/images/9/93/Model-Megathron.jpg
www.eve-wiki.net/images/7/79/Model-Apocalypse.jpg |

Komen
Capital Enrichment Services
29
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Posted - 2011.11.05 19:47:00 -
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Joelleaveek wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:Joelleaveek wrote:Why are so many people anti-camo? The truth of the matter is ship color is irrelevant. No paint job is going to prevent your ship from showing up on the overview. So the navies/pirates might as well paint their ships in a way that clearly stats its purpose. I for one like camo ships. The new Caldari navy camo is fantastic.  Tell that to the people inside the station taking a peek out of the window trying to see if undock is clear.... Please tell me how you've unlocked this feature.
It's called alt scouts, love. |

Spenser for Hire
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2011.11.05 20:04:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:Please, no more camo ships in space.. You want to make "camo" ships make them pitch black. I don't think bright green against a black background is something one would call camouflage..
Besides it looks ugly. I think most of the people whose opinions you value have made it clear that gallente camo ships are ugly.[/ Get Rid of the Gallente, PERIOD! Why are they even in this game??? Worst Ships, Ugliest ships, Worst Weapons, Worst ships. I mean, really, come on, CCP! |

Soon Shin
Abyssal Heavy Industries Narwhals Ate My Duck
4
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Posted - 2011.11.05 20:23:00 -
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People clearly object to the hideous camo on the Gallente ships.
You know what happened when you put the ******* ugly green camo on the Navy Megathron? You destroyed one of its sole reasons to fly it. The Black Megathron was frikkin awesome. Now with ugly green forest camo people didn't want to fly it anymore and sold it.
Shortly after the ugly green camo the Price of a Navy megathron went from 550 million to 410 million, while the Navy Apocalypse remained at the same price of 550 million.
The aesthetics of a ship really helps the player's own personal thoughts of the ship. Making it ugly camo only ruins the ship. |
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