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Jon Obstergo
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
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Posted - 2013.11.29 22:54:00 -
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tl;dr - What makes a Corporation or Alliance "relevant" in a wormhole community?
Please explain the GÇ£relevancyGÇ¥ of wormhole organizations. There seems to be a large number of individuals who make note of the GÇ£irrelevancyGÇ¥ of particular groups within Anoikis, however it seems to be an odd notion. What dictates relevancy in a community of individuals?
In a wormhole, GÇ£comfortableGÇ¥ alliance/corporate size is determined by your individual infrastructure and limited by roles, number of moons, and stuff. Technically, those limits only apply to groups that forego caution and are fine with spies, thieves, and internal strife. Also, economic restrictions inhibit the infinite expansion of an organization without occupying multiple wormholes, or dedicating alternate corporations, or wormholes for expos. That said, your relevancy in the wormhole is limited to your corporation or alliance, or in some odd cases, the various residents in the same wormholes.
That can change ofcourse. Alliances split, evictions occur, coups are staged, and drama inevitably happens. Now, your relevancy is extended to the shards that break apart, only if anyone in the shards is interested in your progression. Sometimes that interest is not friendly in nature and that could lead to conflict, which would mean relevance to those who monitor the wars within Anoikis. Then your relevancy can be dictated by the number of people interested in your stories as you progress in your community.
That aside, we arenGÇÖt null sovereignty. We donGÇÖt, for the most part, have coalitions. We have friends in some cases, and definitely have many enemies, if you are doing it right. What makes some of the groups in Anoikis feel that they are more GÇ£relevantGÇ¥ than other organizations? Is this about being GÇ£likedGÇ¥ or GÇ£popularGÇ¥? Is this related to some draw to feel exclusive, cool, or edgy?
Other than the drama/meta aspect leading to some notoriety, it would seem most GÇ£relevancyGÇ¥ between members in this community should extend about the lifespan of a wormhole. |
ChrisLCTR
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2013.11.29 23:05:00 -
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Simply put, I believe that relevancy in WH's is dictated by how active and influential a group is. They can be either immensely disliked or very well liked.
I don't really think that KB efficiency, forum activity, or reputation have very much to do with relevance.
(Although I still hold a special place in my heart for Guillotine Therapy, they are immortal in their relevance) |
Bane Nucleus
Primary Colors
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Posted - 2013.11.29 23:07:00 -
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ChrisLCTR wrote:Simply put, I believe that relevancy in WH's is dictated by how active and influential a group is. They can be either immensely disliked or very well liked.
I don't really think that KB efficiency, forum activity, or reputation have very much to do with relevance.
This is pretty much it.
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M1k3y Koontz
thorn project Surely You're Joking
416
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Posted - 2013.11.29 23:59:00 -
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Relevance? Don't be a farmer... that helps a lot. Pewpew your way into relevance-land. How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp. |
Proclus Diadochu
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
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Posted - 2013.11.30 00:39:00 -
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ChrisLCTR wrote:Simply put, I believe that relevancy in WH's is dictated by how active and influential a group is. They can be either immensely disliked or very well liked.
I don't really think that KB efficiency, forum activity, or reputation have very much to do with relevance.
(Although I still hold a special place in my heart for Guillotine Therapy, they are immortal in their relevance)
I'm also a Guillotine Therapy fanboi :)
How would you measure the influence of a group in wormholes? If I were to measure each group, there are a ton of relevant groups in our community based on their capacity to influence, and some are quite active. I agree with you about it being on both ends of the spectrum (liked v. disliked).
I think efficiency holds some weight in the opinions of our community (HARK, for example), and I think that forum activity and reputation can be measured in to a degree. I'm sure a ton of the members in our community are probably not fond of the RCC v. VL v. Disavowed stuff, but any publicity can lead to reputation, some of this is being done through the forums, and not always leading to "popularity", but definitely affecting the reputation of those groups. ~Boredom Breeds Direction~ |
bubble trout
Sky Fighters
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Posted - 2013.11.30 04:05:00 -
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If you get batphoned you are "relevant" I think. Somebody out there thinks you can help them, and are better/ have more numbers. |
GeneralJosh
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
29
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Posted - 2013.11.30 06:03:00 -
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The increasing number of T3s you can field increases your relevancy!
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Sith1s Spectre
Sky Fighters
254
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Posted - 2013.11.30 06:23:00 -
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I think having a monocle and a fabulous coat makes you relevant Sky Fighters are now accepting WH Space Merc Contracts https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3737774#post3737774
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GeneralJosh
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
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Posted - 2013.11.30 06:43:00 -
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Sith1s Spectre wrote:I think having a monocle and a fabulous coat makes you relevant
Well you have a monocle, but the coat you wear isn't red...
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Sith1s Spectre
Sky Fighters
254
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Posted - 2013.11.30 06:48:00 -
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White goes better with my shoes Sky Fighters are now accepting WH Space Merc Contracts https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3737774#post3737774
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Apollo Eros
Daktaklakpak. Red Coat Conspiracy
40
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Posted - 2013.11.30 07:29:00 -
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If the red coat let me show some skin I would have it on right now. I just want my hard little nipples to show... |
Axloth Okiah
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
186
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Posted - 2013.11.30 08:00:00 -
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It definitely doesnt have anything to do with being "liked". For example BU are extremely relevant, yet quite unpopular. To me "relevancy" is the same vague concept as being "notable". It has something to do with how visible and active you are, how your actions impact other groups, how can you throw your weight around.
And it absolutely is a subjective variable. A group can be relevant/notable to some, but not so to others. Either way, its usually those who are very worried about their own relevancy who throw it around and "accuse others" of being irrelevant. Some dont care, some care a lot... v0v W-Space Realtor |
Elindreal
Planetary Interactors
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Posted - 2013.11.30 08:09:00 -
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If I see you and we pew and get some giggles we are both relevant and may seek one another out again. |
Calmatt
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
30
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Posted - 2013.11.30 08:26:00 -
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Elindreal wrote:If I see you and we pew and get some giggles we are both relevant and may seek one another out again.
Who the **** is this irrelevant scrub. Go back to lvl 4's. Or join Daktak, it's all mostly the same. |
Sushi Nardieu
Encapsulated.
185
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Posted - 2013.11.30 08:55:00 -
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I think my space pixels are more relevant than your space pixels. The Guns of Knowledge-á |
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition Insurance Fraud.
395
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Posted - 2013.11.30 09:07:00 -
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Jon Obstergo wrote:tl;dr - What makes a Corporation or Alliance "relevant" in a wormhole community?
Please explain the GÇ£relevancyGÇ¥ of wormhole organizations. There seems to be a large number of individuals who make note of the GÇ£irrelevancyGÇ¥ of particular groups within Anoikis, however it seems to be an odd notion. What dictates relevancy in a community of individuals?
In a wormhole, GÇ£comfortableGÇ¥ alliance/corporate size is determined by your individual infrastructure and limited by roles, number of moons, and stuff. Technically, those limits only apply to groups that forego caution and are fine with spies, thieves, and internal strife. Also, economic restrictions inhibit the infinite expansion of an organization without occupying multiple wormholes, or dedicating alternate corporations, or wormholes for expos. That said, your relevancy in the wormhole is limited to your corporation or alliance, or in some odd cases, the various residents in the same wormholes.
That can change ofcourse. Alliances split, evictions occur, coups are staged, and drama inevitably happens. Now, your relevancy is extended to the shards that break apart, only if anyone in the shards is interested in your progression. Sometimes that interest is not friendly in nature and that could lead to conflict, which would mean relevance to those who monitor the wars within Anoikis. Then your relevancy can be dictated by the number of people interested in your stories as you progress in your community.
That aside, we arenGÇÖt null sovereignty. We donGÇÖt, for the most part, have coalitions. We have friends in some cases, and definitely have many enemies, if you are doing it right. What makes some of the groups in Anoikis feel that they are more GÇ£relevantGÇ¥ than other organizations? Is this about being GÇ£likedGÇ¥ or GÇ£popularGÇ¥? Is this related to some draw to feel exclusive, cool, or edgy?
Other than the drama/meta aspect leading to some notoriety, it would seem most GÇ£relevancyGÇ¥ between members in this community should extend about the lifespan of a wormhole. Holy ****. A good post from a Red Coat. A very good post.
Isn't relevancy commonly thought to be determined by killboard, size, and content-provider vs farmer status? Those are the most common insults I receive from other w-space corps, all of it relative of course, as we are positive on all counts by my own interpretation. There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency. |
Jack Miton
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
2429
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Posted - 2013.11.30 10:44:00 -
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Relevancy in WHs comes down almost entirely to a combination of public image and PVP activity levels in WHs. As in, if a corp lives in WH space but doesnt PVP or does all their PVP in kspace then regardless of how good their image and abilities are, theyre not relevant in WH space. Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ |
Godfrey Silvarna
Frozen Dawn Inc Arctic Light
113
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Posted - 2013.11.30 11:10:00 -
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Sith1s Spectre wrote:I think having a monocle and a fabulous coat makes you relevant I could not agree more. |
Winthorp
Sky Fighters
235
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Posted - 2013.11.30 13:12:00 -
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Sith1s Spectre wrote:I think having a monocle and a fabulous coat makes you relevant
Cut from the same cloth. |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
334
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Posted - 2013.11.30 13:17:00 -
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RCC are pretty relevant forum posters, that at least. "I honestly thought I was in lowsec" |
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Proclus Diadochu
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
394
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Posted - 2013.11.30 15:54:00 -
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Sith1s Spectre wrote:White goes better with my shoes
Change your shoes... ~Boredom Breeds Direction~ |
Proclus Diadochu
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
394
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Posted - 2013.11.30 16:09:00 -
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Tul Breetai wrote:Jon Obstergo wrote:tl;dr - What makes a Corporation or Alliance "relevant" in a wormhole community?
Please explain the GÇ£relevancyGÇ¥ of wormhole organizations. There seems to be a large number of individuals who make note of the GÇ£irrelevancyGÇ¥ of particular groups within Anoikis, however it seems to be an odd notion. What dictates relevancy in a community of individuals?
In a wormhole, GÇ£comfortableGÇ¥ alliance/corporate size is determined by your individual infrastructure and limited by roles, number of moons, and stuff. Technically, those limits only apply to groups that forego caution and are fine with spies, thieves, and internal strife. Also, economic restrictions inhibit the infinite expansion of an organization without occupying multiple wormholes, or dedicating alternate corporations, or wormholes for expos. That said, your relevancy in the wormhole is limited to your corporation or alliance, or in some odd cases, the various residents in the same wormholes.
That can change ofcourse. Alliances split, evictions occur, coups are staged, and drama inevitably happens. Now, your relevancy is extended to the shards that break apart, only if anyone in the shards is interested in your progression. Sometimes that interest is not friendly in nature and that could lead to conflict, which would mean relevance to those who monitor the wars within Anoikis. Then your relevancy can be dictated by the number of people interested in your stories as you progress in your community.
That aside, we arenGÇÖt null sovereignty. We donGÇÖt, for the most part, have coalitions. We have friends in some cases, and definitely have many enemies, if you are doing it right. What makes some of the groups in Anoikis feel that they are more GÇ£relevantGÇ¥ than other organizations? Is this about being GÇ£likedGÇ¥ or GÇ£popularGÇ¥? Is this related to some draw to feel exclusive, cool, or edgy?
Other than the drama/meta aspect leading to some notoriety, it would seem most GÇ£relevancyGÇ¥ between members in this community should extend about the lifespan of a wormhole. Holy ****. A good post from a Red Coat. A very good post. Isn't relevancy commonly thought to be determined by killboard, size, and content-provider vs farmer status? Those are the most common insults I receive from other w-space corps, all of it relative of course, as we are positive on all counts by my own interpretation.
I agree with you about "relevancy" being relative, especially in the wormhole community. Earlier, Axloth basically said that notoriety may serve as a form of relevancy, with Blood Union as the example. I'd venture to say based on my perspective alone, that Obstergo has decent PVP effeciency, expecially for our modest size, and serve more toward the "content creator" group than the "farmer" group. That being said, different people have a different view on what factors determine relevance.
For Example, on our own, the possibility for RCC to evict SSC, KILL, NOHO, or another larger entity is probably close to zero, and for some that would deem our small alliance irrelevant. Axloth also noted a relevant entity's ability to impact others, which I feel would be an important factor to include in a "relevancy" formula. Again, using RCC as the example, we have the ability to engage and fight, and also have the ability to invade and evict. That means that groups we would engage would be impacted by us, similarly to their or other's effect on our alliance in similar circumstances, making others relevant to RCC.
This topic is less on the troll, and as a topic itself, probably irrelevant to most people that play the game. However, this is a computer game forum, I'm bored, and this seems like an interesting enough topic between the "Target: Alliance" and "RCC is Bad" threads. ~Boredom Breeds Direction~ |
Witchway
Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2013.11.30 16:18:00 -
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oh yea |
Hidden Fremen
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
175
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Posted - 2013.11.30 17:38:00 -
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Relevancy is much more simple than all this. You can have **** stats, be dirt poor, dishonorable, cowardly, and still find your way into the back of our minds. Relevance is not synonymous with power. You become relevant when you become a household name. Relevance is relative to whomever is asking.
Relevance is also meaningless. |
Proclus Diadochu
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
395
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Posted - 2013.11.30 18:10:00 -
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Hidden Fremen wrote:Relevancy is much more simple than all this. You can have **** stats, be dirt poor, dishonorable, cowardly, and still find your way into the back of our minds. Relevance is not synonymous with power. You become relevant when you become a household name. Relevance is relative to whomever is asking.
Relevance is also meaningless.
Assuming you were just referring to social relevance, then it's a matter of opinion whether or not an individual places any meaning to the topic.
Relevance is critical to success in wormholes. I'm not just referring to social relevance, which is what this thread is primarily about, but relevance in terms of "appropriate" or "fitting". Social relevance has it's place in the community and simply being in the "back of [your] minds" doesn't make you relevant.
If you take an armor fleet into a Pulsar and engage a shield fleet, you are ignoring the bonus's, which are very relevant and also meaningful regarding the probable outcome of your engagement. Relevance is meaningful, and sometimes critical.
Social relevance is also meaningful to a degree, as it is the foundation for community building and development. I think you are referring to being "popular" or "notorious", which I would agree is meaningless or even detrimental, if people begin refusing to engage you.
~Boredom Breeds Direction~ |
Hidden Fremen
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
175
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Posted - 2013.11.30 18:46:00 -
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Proclus Diadochu wrote:Relevance is critical to success in wormholes.
Gawd, you're caring too much. Stop caring so much and you might be "relevant". |
Proclus Diadochu
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
395
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Posted - 2013.11.30 18:59:00 -
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Hidden Fremen wrote:Proclus Diadochu wrote:Relevance is critical to success in wormholes. Gawd, you're caring too much. Stop caring so much and you might be "relevant".
I hope to someday be as bitter as you, duder. ~Boredom Breeds Direction~ |
Hidden Fremen
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
175
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Posted - 2013.11.30 19:06:00 -
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Proclus Diadochu wrote:Hidden Fremen wrote:Proclus Diadochu wrote:Relevance is critical to success in wormholes. Gawd, you're caring too much. Stop caring so much and you might be "relevant". I hope to someday be as bitter as you, duder.
I'd rather be bitter than a tryhard. |
Proclus Diadochu
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
395
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Posted - 2013.11.30 19:09:00 -
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Hidden Fremen wrote:
I'd rather be bitter than a tryhard.
Well, you turned out to be a bitter tryhard, so whoops? Also, your mad is irrelevant to this topic. ~Boredom Breeds Direction~ |
Hidden Fremen
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
175
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Posted - 2013.11.30 19:11:00 -
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Cute. Hit F5 harder, please. I told myself not to get into these stupid dialogues. Done with this one now. Have fun. |
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