Simply put, I believe that relevancy in WH's is dictated by how active and influential a group is. They can be either immensely disliked or very well liked.

I don't really think that KB efficiency, forum activity, or reputation have very much to do with relevance.

Simply put, I believe that relevancy in WH's is dictated by how active and influential a group is. They can be either immensely disliked or very well liked.

I don't really think that KB efficiency, forum activity, or reputation have very much to do with relevance.

(Although I still hold a special place in my heart for Guillotine Therapy, they are immortal in their relevance)

I think having a monocle and a fabulous coat makes you relevant

If I see you and we pew and get some giggles we are both relevant and may seek one another out again.

tl;dr - What makes a Corporation or Alliance "relevant" in a wormhole community?

Please explain the GÇ£relevancyGÇ¥ of wormhole organizations. There seems to be a large number of individuals who make note of the GÇ£irrelevancyGÇ¥ of particular groups within Anoikis, however it seems to be an odd notion. What dictates relevancy in a community of individuals?

In a wormhole, GÇ£comfortableGÇ¥ alliance/corporate size is determined by your individual infrastructure and limited by roles, number of moons, and stuff. Technically, those limits only apply to groups that forego caution and are fine with spies, thieves, and internal strife. Also, economic restrictions inhibit the infinite expansion of an organization without occupying multiple wormholes, or dedicating alternate corporations, or wormholes for expos. That said, your relevancy in the wormhole is limited to your corporation or alliance, or in some odd cases, the various residents in the same wormholes.

That can change ofcourse. Alliances split, evictions occur, coups are staged, and drama inevitably happens. Now, your relevancy is extended to the shards that break apart, only if anyone in the shards is interested in your progression. Sometimes that interest is not friendly in nature and that could lead to conflict, which would mean relevance to those who monitor the wars within Anoikis. Then your relevancy can be dictated by the number of people interested in your stories as you progress in your community.

That aside, we arenGÇÖt null sovereignty. We donGÇÖt, for the most part, have coalitions. We have friends in some cases, and definitely have many enemies, if you are doing it right. What makes some of the groups in Anoikis feel that they are more GÇ£relevantGÇ¥ than other organizations? Is this about being GÇ£likedGÇ¥ or GÇ£popularGÇ¥? Is this related to some draw to feel exclusive, cool, or edgy?

Other than the drama/meta aspect leading to some notoriety, it would seem most GÇ£relevancyGÇ¥ between members in this community should extend about the lifespan of a wormhole.

I think having a monocle and a fabulous coat makes you relevant

I think having a monocle and a fabulous coat makes you relevant

White goes better with my shoes

Holy ****. A good post from a Red Coat. A very good post.

Isn't relevancy commonly thought to be determined by killboard, size, and content-provider vs farmer status? Those are the most common insults I receive from other w-space corps, all of it relative of course, as we are positive on all counts by my own interpretation.

Relevancy is much more simple than all this. You can have **** stats, be dirt poor, dishonorable, cowardly, and still find your way into the back of our minds. Relevance is not synonymous with power. You become relevant when you become a household name. Relevance is relative to whomever is asking.

Relevance is also meaningless.

Relevance is critical to success in wormholes.

Gawd, you're caring too much. Stop caring so much and you might be "relevant".

I hope to someday be as bitter as you, duder.

I'd rather be bitter than a tryhard.

There are a good amount of valid points here. I guess most folks find different avenues more important in the battle for relevance than others.

I particularly enjoy when people are not risk-averse. For example, One Percent. came out at us last night with 2 drakes and 2 basilisks. What happened? We blobbed them (sorry). Buuut, the point being, they came, probably knew the outcome would not be in their favor, but brought SOMETHING anyway. They very well could have POS'd up, or logged off, but chose not to.

Not saying everyone should only suicide into blobs for my amusement, but if you have the members, show a little balls once in awhile. Our WH community seems to unanimously agree that stepping up to fight will grant you respect from other groups, therefor making you "relevant".

Relevancy is determined entirely by the multiplication of just 2 variables.

1. The class of your blackhole home system
2. The size of the system

The exact formula is ofc known only by the most relevant corps and alliances, here's an example:

An honourable gang of warriors jump into your home system. It's a C6 black hole and 283 AU across. Relevant space battle can now ensue, because even if you decided to cap blob them to hell and back, the server would go down for the next patch before they landed on grid. A thousand forum angels will sing about the relevancy of both sides until the final down time.

After reading this thread, it appears that being relevant is a matter of opinion. And as we all know, opinion are like assholes. Everyone has one and some stink worse than others.

people who wont take 10v10s in anything but frigates really don't have rights to post anywhere near relevancy threads...

I think having a monocle and a fabulous coat makes you relevant

I think that people that have arrange fights have no right judging others about relevancy. If you are too lazy to find a target of opportunity or bait an opportunity in a hole that you role into then you are doing WH's wrong IMHO.

I thought we are the largest single corp...

well sure that works fine if you are joe schmo nobody but for the largest single corp in wormholes people tend to turtle pretty quick if we are active. so when they turtle we usually offer some semblance of pew and even then you get some dirt bags that still can't grow a pair.

\o/
It's a glorious victory for PI alts.

\o/
It's a glorious victory for PI alts.

It's a well-known fact that every character in SSC is either a James, Sean or Chitsa alt.

It's a well-known fact that every character in SSC is either a James, Sean or Chitsa alt.

I think that people that have arrange fights have no right judging others about relevancy. If you are too lazy to find a target of opportunity or bait an opportunity in a hole that you role into then you are doing WH's wrong IMHO.

tl;dr - What makes a Corporation or Alliance "relevant" in a wormhole community?

Please explain the GÇ£relevancyGÇ¥ of wormhole organizations. There seems to be a large number of individuals who make note of the GÇ£irrelevancyGÇ¥ of particular groups within Anoikis, however it seems to be an odd notion. What dictates relevancy in a community of individuals?

In a wormhole, GÇ£comfortableGÇ¥ alliance/corporate size is determined by your individual infrastructure and limited by roles, number of moons, and stuff. Technically, those limits only apply to groups that forego caution and are fine with spies, thieves, and internal strife. Also, economic restrictions inhibit the infinite expansion of an organization without occupying multiple wormholes, or dedicating alternate corporations, or wormholes for expos. That said, your relevancy in the wormhole is limited to your corporation or alliance, or in some odd cases, the various residents in the same wormholes.

That can change ofcourse. Alliances split, evictions occur, coups are staged, and drama inevitably happens. Now, your relevancy is extended to the shards that break apart, only if anyone in the shards is interested in your progression. Sometimes that interest is not friendly in nature and that could lead to conflict, which would mean relevance to those who monitor the wars within Anoikis. Then your relevancy can be dictated by the number of people interested in your stories as you progress in your community.

That aside, we arenGÇÖt null sovereignty. We donGÇÖt, for the most part, have coalitions. We have friends in some cases, and definitely have many enemies, if you are doing it right. What makes some of the groups in Anoikis feel that they are more GÇ£relevantGÇ¥ than other organizations? Is this about being GÇ£likedGÇ¥ or GÇ£popularGÇ¥? Is this related to some draw to feel exclusive, cool, or edgy?

Other than the drama/meta aspect leading to some notoriety, it would seem most GÇ£relevancyGÇ¥ between members in this community should extend about the lifespan of a wormhole.

We've got a stank wormhole.

If you have worms there....that's...ummm....gross

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As for relevance; as others (and plenty) have said it's going to be subjective. I think being willing to engage to defend territory and/or engage other groups is a decent indicator of "something" (whether that is relevance or not is anyone's guess).

When we were looking for a new home (just starting out with a decently sized group of former 0.0 pilots - some with w-space experience but the overwhelming majority without any whatsoever) we found what looked to be an awesome potential home. It was lived in, but we liked it. We staked it out for weeks gathering intel and getting things staged to invade. On the day of the invasion, we took (in our minds) decent sub-cap fleet in and some staging POSs and proceeded to reinforce the first tower and almost got the second into reinforce. A larger T3 gang rolled through from an unlucky (for us) K162 spawn and picked off a fair few of us, mainly our logi.

The next day when the tower we reinforced was due to come out, lo and behold it turned out the system he had chosen, unbeknownst to us, belonged to a NoHo alt alliance. whoooops. We lost quite a few ships trying to interdict the C4 but a gang of 60+ T3 was too much for us. We had to cede control of the field. It was a good lesson learned for our pilots. It was also a fun and tense, if ultimately unsuccessful, engagement.

Diplomatic communications ensued - we were graciously allowed to evac the towers mainly due to respect gained at making a good attempt and bringing a serious fight. Is that relevant to the broader w-space community? I don't know. I know it was to us, and it was to NoHo at the time.

We enjoyed it and learned a good deal. And made some nice acquaintances (of the shoot each other the face kind) :)

What kind of lessons are learned when you are unsuccessful? Is it frustrating?
How much ISK was lost in that endeavor (if any POS or other non-ships got destroyed)?

If I'm looking to invade a system, is it wise to give the inhabitants a diplomatic chance to just move out beforehand?

I'd like to take over a C2 or C3, and try to stake my claim at relevancy in W-space.

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I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.
Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!

The rules:
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Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued.

EDIT: okay after looking at eve search i will admit he did also delete something of a derailment... but he definitely took too much out

I don't feel the posts referring to monocles were off topic regarding the relevance of wormholers...


...Also, now the only thing relevant about this thread is censorship destroying a civil conversation.