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Ras Blumin
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Posted - 2006.02.28 16:18:00 -
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I don't know what you've done with them, but working with them is a PAIN, and has been like that since RMR.
I've spent about 1+ hour now just MOVING about 700 bm's from PnP to shuttles. Fix it please 
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ParMizaN
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Posted - 2006.02.28 16:26:00 -
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As i understand it, ccp are still working around fixing bms. I want to see them go tbh, as they create a LOT of server lag from what ive seen.
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Posted - 2006.02.28 16:37:00 -
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 Originally by: ParMizaN
As i understand it, ccp are still working around fixing bms. I want to see them go tbh, as they create a LOT of server lag from what i've seen.
Bull****, they don't create more lag than player with 200+ time in their hangar...
BTW, problem with copying BM related to UI (User Interface).
Beat me why...
I have 2 account, one with 2kbm and one with 5kbm. When adding/removing BM with the one 5k it laging, the one with 2k don't have problems.
I tough it could be the number of jump calcul for each bm, but after talking with a Dev, he clearly say that jump calcul wasent a problem but it was coming from UI*.
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Calderio
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Posted - 2006.02.28 16:39:00 -
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bms save you time while traveling, you might as well lose sometime by it taking forever to copy.
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Exioce
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Posted - 2006.02.28 16:40:00 -
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i still don't see why the number of bookmarks a person can have attached to a character can't be limited. seems like the easiest solution. say a 100 bm limit per character should be enough to give someone an advantage in their 'home territory' but not be master of the entire damn universe.
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Tobiaz
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Posted - 2006.02.28 16:45:00 -
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Edited by: Tobiaz on 28/02/2006 16:45:41
Originally by: ParMizaN
As i understand it, ccp are still working around fixing bms. I want to see them go tbh, as they create a LOT of server lag from what ive seen.
They cause server lag, but I think there are much bigger issues why BMs need to abolished from this game.
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Da Death
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Posted - 2006.02.28 16:47:00 -
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hmm since server upgrade I copy much faster...
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.02.28 16:48:00 -
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Wouldnt it be better to make people warp all the way to the gates in empire space?
Im sure a big percentage of bookmarks is made just to minimize traveling time. There is no good reason why we need to end up 15 km from the gate afaik?
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Ras Blumin
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Posted - 2006.02.28 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: Calderio
bms save you time while traveling, you might as well lose sometime by it taking forever to copy.
I'm not copying. Only moving them.
I don't mind that much that it takes time to copy them, but it's really, really bugged. You shift+drag, and nothing happens for 10-20 minutes sometimes. If there was some sorta timer, or other system where you can actually see whether there'll be copied or not, it'd be much less of a pain to work with them imo.
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Tobiaz
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Posted - 2006.02.28 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Wouldnt it be better to make people warp all the way to the gates in empire space?
Im sure a big percentage of bookmarks is made just to minimize traveling time. There is no good reason why we need to end up 15 km from the gate afaik?
Non-consensual PVP perhaps? 
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Hal2
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Posted - 2006.02.28 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Ras Blumin
Originally by: Calderio
bms save you time while traveling, you might as well lose sometime by it taking forever to copy.
I'm not copying. Only moving them.
I don't mind that much that it takes time to copy them, but it's really, really bugged. You shift+drag, and nothing happens for 10-20 minutes sometimes. If there was some sorta timer, or other system where you can actually see whether there'll be copied or not, it'd be much less of a pain to work with them imo.
HI Ras!
I've found I have pretty good luck if i do them in lots of like 50 or so at a time...
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Ras Blumin
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Posted - 2006.02.28 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Hal2
HI Ras!
I've found I have pretty good luck if i do them in lots of like 50 or so at a time...
Lo hal :)
Yeah, I know about that. I usually move/copy 20-50 or so at a time. Still takes ages for them to do it 
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Lucas Smaise
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Posted - 2006.02.28 23:08:00 -
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Edited by: Lucas Smaise on 28/02/2006 23:09:32
I dont have any problems at all with the BM's.
Must be you doing something wrong m8, maybe its because you dont have admin rights on TS
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babylonstew
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Posted - 2006.02.28 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: Lucas Smaise
Edited by: Lucas Smaise on 28/02/2006 23:09:32
I dont have any problems at all with the BM's.
Must be you doing something wrong m8, maybe its because you dont have admin rights on TS
Lucas Smaise
Lucas gets to copy all corp BM's \o/
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Rayzr
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Posted - 2006.02.28 23:22:00 -
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Yes, you have to fix it. Cus it is driving me crazy. And when you format ur computer or something, you lose the cache folder so that your bm folders doesnt exist any more when you log in. So that you have to move all those thousands of bms into new folders, that now takes a loooooooong time to do.
And one other thing that hasnt anything to do with bm's. But yesterday I moved from agil to Torrinos and the last 15 jumps It took me f***ing ages, because every jump the game froze for a long period of time, and when it was working again, I was suddenly at a safespot on the other side of the gate. Please fix these stupid bugs.
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Lucas Smaise
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Posted - 2006.02.28 23:26:00 -
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Yes thats what happens when jumping through gates while downloading!
Also some times when launching scan probes you really cant find anything except things you dont wanna find. Why not put an option that turns of friendlies from overview. Oh and plz fit more gunslots on my temp plz.
It needs a little more powergrid to.
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babylonstew
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Posted - 2006.02.28 23:27:00 -
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Mallory Ninja
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Posted - 2006.02.28 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: Exioce
i still don't see why the number of bookmarks a person can have attached to a character can't be limited. seems like the easiest solution. say a 100 bm limit per character should be enough to give someone an advantage in their 'home territory' but not be master of the entire damn universe.
Empire would explode. No miner/trader travel without bookmarks in 0.0 - its all to unsafe for that. CCP like to have more ppl in 0.0, therefore i dont thik they remove the bm's. Why dont place the control of the bookmarks on the client, with cryptomatics ofcourse. I dont see why ALL calculus have to be on the mainframe server. |
Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.03.01 00:58:00 -
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Originally by: ParMizaN
As i understand it, ccp are still working around fixing bms. I want to see them go tbh, as they create a LOT of server lag from what ive seen.
Great, detailed analysis of the issues and how to fix them please.
It's easy to say "no instas", far harder to come up with a soloution CCP can impliment, which is what we need.
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Verdun Pasquinel
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Posted - 2006.03.01 02:44:00 -
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Yes please, spending the entire day copying from a can is a chore we can all do without.
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Foobie
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Posted - 2006.03.01 04:12:00 -
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I for one would really just appreciate if they would remove all the bookmarks from the game.
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hitech redneck
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Posted - 2006.03.01 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: Tobiaz
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Wouldnt it be better to make people warp all the way to the gates in empire space?
Im sure a big percentage of bookmarks is made just to minimize traveling time. There is no good reason why we need to end up 15 km from the gate afaik?
Non-consensual PVP perhaps?
I agree we should warp to maybe 2 to 5k to a object. The only reason to need bm's is for mining and maybe ss. If you want to gate gank you need to put fourth a little effort and put up bubbles. But back to the topic yes they do seem to take longer to just move.
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Numinos
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Posted - 2006.03.01 14:34:00 -
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Edited by: Numinos on 01/03/2006 14:37:02
yep we personally got a highway bookmarknet through almost every region with a total of almost 5000bms. and i guess every bigger alliance got those, to keep their pilots mobile.
but actually copying serveral thousand bms a week to supply new members makes me sick.
i was soooo glad when i heard ccp was going to make em "less usefull" by giving em a random range of 20km and travaling would be done by skillz and spec. items to warp on zero meters.
but since the idea seems to be dropped, cause bms look still to be too important, here is another idea:
simply dont save em on the server, but on the local hdd. of course u need to encode em to prevent endless savespots, but that would change serverlagg to clientlagg. that would be finally ok, cause u dont need any cpu time while jumpin anyway.
and we could send em simply per email to new pilots.
think about it
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2006.03.01 14:39:00 -
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Opening the Metropolis can alone I have to clear my schedule for the day...
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Posted - 2006.03.01 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: Exioce
i still don't see why the number of bookmarks a person can have attached to a character can't be limited. seems like the easiest solution. say a 100 bm limit per character should be enough to give someone an advantage in their 'home territory' but not be master of the entire damn universe.
100 bm is less than a route from 00 to empire.
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M3ta7h3ad
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Posted - 2006.03.02 00:22:00 -
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Edited by: M3ta7h3ad on 02/03/2006 00:23:42
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Originally by: ParMizaN
As i understand it, ccp are still working around fixing bms. I want to see them go tbh, as they create a LOT of server lag from what ive seen.
Great, detailed analysis of the issues and how to fix them please.
It's easy to say "no instas", far harder to come up with a soloution CCP can impliment, which is what we need.
Quite easy to fix to be honest.
Adjust the user interface with the bookmarks folder to enable scrolling when dragging, I recently ordered my bookmarks into folders, with 200 BM's it meant that I had to move it to cargo... scroll the BM window up to the newly created folder, and then move from cargo to the folder instead of just selecting all, and then dragging up (the window automatically scrolling up at the same time) allowing me to "drop" them into the newly created folder. So once thats fixed there will be no need to move to cargo.
Then... just prevent storing BM's in Cargo, or in Items, or corp hangers. If people want BM's they make their own. No lag with copying, no lag with moving them, and an improved organisation interface for them.
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Xelios
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Posted - 2006.03.02 01:04:00 -
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I see instas as the perfect solution to the problem already, there's a reason everyone's had such a hard time coming up with a better alternative. The only real problem is the lag they create. All this talk about "invulnerability" is nonsense, the only things that might be practically invulnerable are shuttles and frigates and tbh I don't see why a gate camp should be effective against them anyway. Sure you can move valuable stuff in them but one Interdictor or warp bubble and you're instantly screwed.
Any other ship can be caught on the other side of the gate while aligning for warp, and any respectable gate camp should have at least a frigate or two on the other side for just this reason.
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Jennifae
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Posted - 2006.03.02 01:11:00 -
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I really don't understand why we just can't "DO THIS" and scrap gate to gate BMs and put everyone on a level playing field with a "warp to gate at 2.5km option."
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hydraSlav
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Posted - 2006.03.02 03:46:00 -
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Hell no!
If anything, bookmark copying should be stopped altogether. It's bad as it is, but having BMs freely available on escrow, so people that have never been in a system get "safe" travel through it makes it much worse.
Stop BM copying all together, and then only "front end scouts" will have them, not everyone with couple mill in his pocket
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crom ralphfao
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Posted - 2006.03.02 04:05:00 -
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how about get rid of gates and bm's......go to a system where you need to plot courses to stations, belts, planets, etc......using starmaps, computers and skills.
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