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memex
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Posted - 2003.09.04 20:34:00 -
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what is them best mining cruiser? In terms of a shopping list what would be the best miner? ------------------
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2003.09.04 20:39:00 -
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Thorax 5 Miner II 1 survey scanner 1 shieldbooster 1 MWD (to get there faster ) 4 cargo expanders 1 Photonic CPU if needed
8-10 harvester drones depending on skills
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Sc0rpion
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Posted - 2003.09.04 20:44:00 -
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Thorax, for all the reasons Jarjar said.
Get some named expanders though, with all of that hardware, you will be filling your cargo hold every cycle. You may have to stagger your mining lasers to prevent them from deactivating every cycle.
Also, don't forget these skills:
Astrogeology Drone Interfacing Heavy Drone Operation (for operating in low sec space)
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memex
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Posted - 2003.09.04 20:48:00 -
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what heavy drones should I get? ------------------
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Sc0rpion
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Posted - 2003.09.04 20:53:00 -
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A mix is probably best. Maybe 2X wasps and 2X ogres or something. The choice really depends a lot on what kind of pirates you are fighting and how many of them at once.
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Gafton
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Posted - 2003.09.04 20:54:00 -
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Ogre and praetor drones are the best. Ogre does 12 thermal and praetor does 10 em.
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2003.09.04 20:58:00 -
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Quote: Ogre and praetor drones are the best. Ogre does 12 thermal and praetor does 10 em.
Which is why you may want a few wasps or be(s/z)erkers to kill their hull easier too. I use 1 wasp, 1 ogre + 6 harvesters when I'm mining low-end in a 0.6 system.
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Dragon Emperor
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Posted - 2003.09.04 21:05:00 -
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Edited by: Dragon Emperor on 04/09/2003 21:05:37 all 4 heavy drones have its own use depends on your other dmg type, you may want some difference type of dmg from drones and other weapons.
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Dragon Emperor
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Posted - 2003.09.04 21:07:00 -
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Edited by: Dragon Emperor on 04/09/2003 21:07:22
Quote: Thorax 5 Miner II 1 survey scanner 1 shieldbooster 1 MWD (to get there faster ) 4 cargo expanders 1 Photonic CPU if needed
8-10 harvester drones depending on skills
i'm pretty sure with high level mining skills, your cargo will be full each cycle no matter what expanders you are using. if that is an issue, then the miner may want to fly a vexor.
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Archemedes
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Posted - 2003.09.04 22:23:00 -
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No question that the Thorax is best for people with high drone skills, but if you don't use drones a Maller can get the job done well too. Also, for those who can't fly Gallente cruisers any of the 4 turret cruisers can get the job done. After all, it's probably better to use an Omen, Moa, or Rupture than train up another race's ships unless you plan to mine full-time and love lots of drones...
I personally use an Omen for mining since I can only use 2 drones at a time and already have Amarr cruiser skill trained. And yes, I am Gallente... but I prefer big laser guns to drone hordes so I never learned Gallente cruiser skill.
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Sc0rpion
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Posted - 2003.09.04 23:09:00 -
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That's an important caveat. If you are looking to mine full time, or set up a mining alt, then go for Thorax/Drone interfacing/Astrogeology.
But if you are looking to just do a bit of casual mining during slow times, the Thorax's low top speed becomes a hinderance. In that case, any of the other mentioned cruisers might serve you better.
Personally, I can't see a valid reason to not use drones if you are planning on mining, but like anything else, it's a matter of choice.
A Gallenite who doesn't like drones...my world is shattered!
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Slithereen
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Posted - 2003.09.05 01:22:00 -
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Edited by: Slithereen on 05/09/2003 01:24:15
It would be a Thorax of course, but must have named cargo expanders. I got a Thorax filled with all five low slots of them.
However, it's not a good mining ship for someone who likes to mine with less attention and a short AFK (like you're watching TV or something something in parallel). Thorax would require you to swap often.
Even with named cargo expanders, a Thorax cannot match a Vexor or Omen with basic expanders in sheer space. If you like to mine less attentively, a Vexor or Omen would be better.
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Zortiander
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Posted - 2003.09.05 09:35:00 -
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Aham. A Thorax with all speed upgrades. So you reckon how much time I have to spend to swap mins.
Also, you will have to activate all your mining lasers in two or three waves, same with your drones, so you don't get your cargo filled and all mining stuff deactivated every cycle.
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ULTIMA TREX
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Posted - 2003.09.05 09:36:00 -
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Edited by: ULTIMA TREX on 05/09/2003 09:39:29 Edited by: ULTIMA TREX on 05/09/2003 09:37:33 Thorax with that equipment, cant be done.
60 x 5 = 300m3 astro lvl 4 and mining lvl 4 = 40% more 300 x 140% = 420m3 8 x harvies 30m3 = 240m3 420+240 = 660m3 per second
these miner 2's eat up CPU (remember this) 265 base cargo hold on a thorax.
5 lowslots x 27.44%(local hull mod) x 265m3 (100%)= (237.2%)628.58m3 still not enougth enougth to pull it in AND
miner 2's require 80cpu each. 300cpu on a thorax + electronics lvl 4 (120%) = 360cpu 5 x 80 = 400cpu requirement.
so youll have to sacrifice cargo space for cpu enhancers, atleast 2 photonics. guess what. then you wotn have enougth cargo hold to pull it in. problems problems problems.
last line. get a battleship to mine with miner 2's and harvies. orse your sacrificing miners for cargo space on the vexor.
if you really wnated this setup badly then youll have to offset your miners in groups. then 23 mienrs pull in and you quickly drag accross to can berfore the enxt group of miners finish its cycle and same for harvies. but after a few hours of mining. youll want a bag of ice for ur hand.
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Golgrath
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Posted - 2003.09.05 11:33:00 -
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The modules stack so cargo space with 5 27% expanders would be 265*1.27^5 = 875
With 4 expanders and 1 photonics 689m3 and 457 cpu so it can be done
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Ana Khouri
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Posted - 2003.09.05 12:10:00 -
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Those 660m¦ (per activation cycle, btw, not per second) may be correct for lowgrade ore, but not for highgrade. Since you cannot mine ores partially you loose some mining volume with highgrade ores. Max you can get with miner 2's and a decent level in mining and astro are 5 unis/cycle (80m¦), 6 units are even with maxed skills only possible with the navitas, which has a mining ship bonus (but only 2 turrets, so don't think about switching). Similar with the heavies, those can only get one highgrade per cycle, since they have 2m¦ too litte for 2 units. (Unless the mining drones bonus now works with them, that is).
So, it should be 528m¦/cycle (or 656 with mining drone bonus working with harvesters).
One photonic is just fine, you get 457 cpu with one.
Then 4 27.44% expanders - 265 * 1.2744^4 - 698 cargo. Even with the far more common 18% expanders you can still get 513m¦ Not enough for a full load, but you can easily counter this by activation 2 miner2 and the harvesters first and the other 3 miner 2 30 secs (half a cylce) later. You have to move ores every 30 secs then instead of every min with the rarer expanders.
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DJvGalen
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Posted - 2003.09.05 17:55:00 -
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A thorax with 5 Miner II's needs 1 photonic CPU and a lesser CPU module if you have electronics 4, leaves room for 3 Alpha expanders which means with 5 lasers activated at the same time with mining 4 and astro 3 will leave about 20m3 free after a full mining cycle.
Load it up with 2 of each heavy drone type and you got a lone 0.2 / 0.1 mining ship. ------------------------------------------------ CCP please fix your patch so I can play with my corpmates again soon. |
Fizzyl
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Posted - 2003.09.05 19:11:00 -
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Edited by: Fizzyl on 05/09/2003 19:18:16 At the point you can afford that many 27% expanders and Miner 2s you might want to go ahead and just buy something like a dominix or armageddon, shouldn't have any CPU or cargo problems then, even with basic expanders. I'm assuming 27% expanders are like 5 mil and miner 2s are about 4 mil, thats like 40 mil alone, and I know you can get a dominix or armageddon for that (or a little more).
but since the topic is about a cruiser, i definitely think the thorax is the best
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Elynsynos
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Posted - 2003.09.08 08:25:00 -
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with the newly nerfed photonic cpu booster, you may have fun mounting those 5 miner II lasers on that thorax once the patch happens. I have calculated I will need at least 3 basic cpu boosters to get 4 miner II much less 5. And I dont want to hear the train electronics argument because it's already at lv4. If you are planning on a thorax and using 5 mining lasers you may as well forget anything but cpu boosters in the low slots. And forget any kind of high cpu item like shields or afterburners in the mid slots.
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memex
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Posted - 2003.09.09 02:34:00 -
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Is is possible or worth it to solo mine in a low security system with such a cruiser. Is the risk reward worth it? (ie the loss of ship vs the minerals gained) ------------------
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Sc0rpion
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Posted - 2003.09.09 05:42:00 -
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I can mine solo in anything up to about 0.4 with nothing but 2 wasps and 2 ogres for offense and a medium shield booster for defense. I've heard of others who can mine in 0.2 and even a couple who claim 0.0 (I'm assuming this is because they have superior skill training than me, and the lack of missle spamming pirates).
Yes, it's viable and profitable, just don't go and do it somewhere obvious like Obe or something and you should be O.K.
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Butch99
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Posted - 2003.09.09 08:45:00 -
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No doubt the Thorax is the best mining cruiser in Eve. becos of the drone capacity.
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Santel
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Posted - 2003.09.09 14:00:00 -
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Ok so we got the best cruiser miner for those with s**t loads of isk.. now here is my little n00b question... what about us that have finaly managed to get enough isk to by our first cruiser...
I. What should we put in it & why II. 3 turrets 1 mining laser.. or 3 mining laser and 1 turret... its all new to us :) III To drone or not to drone..? III A: Why drone III B: Why we should not drone III. To indy or not to indy? III B: Indy strategies IV. Pirate Strategies V. Upgrading our first cruiser to the next level.. now what to choose ?
With your guidelines and experience im sure many a new cruiser miner will save a lot of time (and isk) and enjoy his new found cruiser and mineing experinces - and one day - and day will be the caption of a fully equiped Thorax :)
With hope to draw on the experience from all of you...
Zvavos.. miner wannabie
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Caerdwyn
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Posted - 2003.09.11 09:51:00 -
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If you're both rich and hyperactive, go for a Thorax. The downside: it costs 6 million isk and a cruiser-3 skill to get into, and fills up its cargo bay in a bit over one minute in most cases (even with cargo expanders).
Thorax = 5 turrets, 2500 drone space, 265 base cargo, 5 low slots (533 cargo with a full suite of basic cargo expanders). And it looks cool.
If you're not rich OR not hyperactive, go for a Vexor. It's everything a Thorax is, minus one turret. Its cargo hold is MUCH larger, it costs half of what a Thorax costs (3 million or less), and it's only a level 2 cruiser (you'll be flying it several days sooner than a Thorax). Its drone bay is huge, able to carry more Harvesters than anyone can control.
Vexor = 4 turrets, 1200 drone space, 4 low slots, 480 base cargo (839 when kitted out with basic expanders). It looks dorky, but you can at least grab a Coke and be back before your drones and lasers have shut down for lack of cargo space.
No other cruiser comes close to these two in terms of good cargo space, lots of turrets, lots of drones, all in one ship.
An added bonus: your Gallente Cruiser skill puts you close to getting Gallente Battleship skill, and the Dominix/Megathron battleships are quite good.
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Caerdwyn
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Posted - 2003.09.11 10:23:00 -
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Edited by: Caerdwyn on 11/09/2003 10:34:18
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I. What should we put in it & why
As many mining lasers as you can possibly fit.
As many Harvester drones as you can control.
As many cargo expanders as you can fit. This is more for your sanity than anything else... being locked into a respond-every-45-seconds session gets real old real quick.
For your mids... get a Survey Scanner (helps locate desirable asteroids near you, which is helpful for mining tightly-packed asteroid belts), then either a Microwarp drive or afterburners for the rest of your mids. With all those cargo expanders, you're going to be slow, and the afterburners/microwarp will let you get around at decent speed.
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II. 3 turrets 1 mining laser.. or 3 mining laser and 1 turret... its all new to us :)
The only reason to have your ship be armed at all while mining is to swat low-level NPC pirates. A single turret, no matter how good, won't stop a PC pirate even in a frigate, and won't handle "serious" NPC pirates. Use all your high slots for mining lasers if you're in 0.9-1.0 space.... have one Heavy Pulse Laser with a Multifreq crystal in 0.6-0.8 space.
If you're cruiser-mining, you are by definition NOT set up for a fight. The closest you can come to a dual purpose config is to kit out your cruiser's high slots purely for combat (no mining lasers), rely upon your drones to do your mining for you, and use hull conversions instead of cargo expanders for cargo space (cargo expanders penalize your hull strength dramatically, as well as making you very very slow).
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III To drone or not to drone..? III A: Why drone III B: Why we should not drone
Use drones because they seriously increase your yield. Someone with a "typical" cruiser-mining configuration (5 Miner I's and 8 Harvesters) will get more ore per minute from their drones than from their lasers.
Harvester Drones pay for themselves within a very few hours.
The downside is that they're a pain in the ass to manage. They take time to deploy, a LOT of time to recover (sometimes 2-3 minutes, since they won't respond to recall orders in the middle of a mining cycle), and can get shot up if your attention wanders while in 0.8-or-worse space.
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III. To indy or not to indy? III B: Indy strategies
Absolutely YES. You will need a decent Indy (most people like the Minmatar Hoarder, with its good capacity, easy requirements, and less-than-400k price tag) to haul your ore back and forth to the station.
Parking an Indy in a high-security asteroid field with a single Miner I is free money. Not LOTS of it, but it adds up.
Indies are slow. Make a bookmark near your actual cannister, and another at an advantageous location compared to the station (so you warp in right next to the station).
Don't indy-mine in 0.8 or worse. You'll just get shot up.
Don't indy-mine in starter systems. That's just plain rude to the noobs.
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IV. Pirate Strategies
Assuming you mean hunting NPC pirates :)
That's a whole different subject. I'm going to recommend the guides at http://www.eve-i.de for that.
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V. Upgrading our first cruiser to the next level.. now what to choose ?
I recommend Vexor-->Thorax. The Thorax is an excellent miner, and a pretty good fighter too. It lacks missiles (which can be important in player-vs-player), but is an outstanding NPC pirate-hunter. 5 turrets and all the drones in DroneLand makes for a serious brawler.
Now, if you were starting out with combat in mind for your first cruiser, I'd recommend the Minmatar Stabber. It's a horrible miner, but a real bargain for a fighter. Compare it to its big brother the Rupture, then consider for the price of a Rupture you get two complete Stabbers. And a Stabber can mount just as much firepower as the Rupture.
You can also get a Stabber to nearly 1,000 m/sec with off-the-shelf modules WITHOUT resorting to a microwarp drive.
Myself? I mine in a Vexor, run a Thorax or Blackbird when hauling high-value goods, and NPC-pirate-hunt in a Stabber.
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With your guidelines and experience im sure many a new cruiser miner will save a lot of time (and isk) and enjoy his new found cruiser and mineing experinces - and one day - and day will be the caption of a fully equiped Thorax :) With hope to draw on the experience from all of you...
Zvavos.. miner wannabie
For some reason, I think you're going to do just fine :) You're asking all the right questions. Just follow the trail of bruised shins and bruised egos on other pilots, and you'll do well.
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memex
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Posted - 2003.09.20 07:13:00 -
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thanks all im making a lot ofo money now with my thorax, ty ------------------
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Lorne Arath
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Posted - 2003.09.20 08:44:00 -
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yep you can easily mine in a lower sec system in a Thorax with drones. At least as far NPC pirates are concerned. PC pirates are a complete different matter though :)
I use 3 ogres and 1 preator
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