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Nyuth
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Posted - 2006.03.01 14:04:00 -
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Edited by: Nyuth on 01/03/2006 14:04:36
I'am posting this under an alt, given that what follows has absolutely nothing to do with the corp my main belongs to, neither with his corp's past, current and future politics.
I've frequented diplomatic circles in RL for 20 years. After seeing the results of some rather unfortunate EVE diplomatic screw-ups, maybe it's worth remembering what follows:
1) Diplomacy is all about defining first what is your current situation realistically, and what are your goals. Your situation assessment must take into consideration your strong and weak points, and any positive or negative interdependency who may exist.
2) You must attempt to perform the same analysis putting yourself in the position of your opponent(s) as honestly as possible.
3) Compare 1 with 2, and theorically define which concessions may be accepted by your opponent, and which concessions you must be prepared to accept yourself in the bargaining process.
4) Only now that you have achieved to gather an approximate picture about the respective maneuvering space of the involved diplomats, can you present the options to your leaders in order for them to decide how far can you go in the concessions.
5) Once your degree of freedom in negociations has been agreed with your leadership, you can begin exploratory talks with the opposing party. In this stage, you will only attempt to confirm or infirm your knowledge about your opponent's intentions, strong and weak points. In parallel, you will present your own position in the less ambiguous terms possible, always maintaining a neutral tone.
6) There is no place in diplomacy for bullying, emotivity, ego bursts or semantic games. Make damn sure that your interlocutor understands exactly what you are talking about. If you have to redefine a term or modify it in order to improve comprehension, do it. This is specially the case if the diplomats don't master the language they are using with equal prowess. Also, don't be afraid to ask for extensive clarifications on the opposing party's demands.
7) Suspend talks, and consult your leadership. Reanalyse both situations at the light of the new information gathered in the exploratory talks. You may now design your negociation strategy, and draw your red line. This red line will correspond to the set of concessions who are defined as irrevocably inacceptable by your leadership. At this stage, you must have a pretty good idea about the red line of your opponent also.
8) Time to begin the real stuff. Negociation is an art. Be kind and educated without falling into pedantry. A well placed joke can also do wonders if the atmosphere is too heavy. Never promess or take any kind of decision without giving yourself the time to analyze the matter under all the angles. If opportune, suspend talks or take a short break and/or consult your leadership. Respect your interlocutor, and he will probably do the same. Respect is one of the keys, as your interlocutor will consider your position with more depht.
9) If the initial demands of the opposing party are unacceptable, don't panic. There's nothing to loose. If they really don't want to back up and adopt reasonable demands, it's not your fault. So just quietly explain over and over that these demands cannot be matched and also EXPLAIN why. Never loose an opportunity to emphasize all what they could gain through the concessions you are ready to accept if their demands become reasonable.
10) If the talks are unsuccessful, don't break them, just postpone them to the next day and start over again. It's a game of will & patience. Don't back down, but also always leave an open door to possible settlements.
11) Don't forget that unless the involved parties are very assymetric in terms of power and/or size, the simple fact that talks are going on is in itself already a positive event. At worst, it gives time to better prepare for war should the talks be aborted.
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DjDangle
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Posted - 2006.03.01 14:06:00 -
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Edited by: DjDangle on 01/03/2006 14:05:40
Good post actually
"Assumption is the mother of all f**k ups"
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thoth foc
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Posted - 2006.03.01 14:14:00 -
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kinna takes the fun out of it though.. exploding talks is part of the fun..
I guess if you want bland politics you can follow this..
--thoth
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2006.03.01 14:15:00 -
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Personally, I prefer the kind of diplomacy where I hold a big fricking gun to someone's face and say suck on it.
But that's just me, I'm a bit more direct than your usual idiots in suits.
dbp
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Lilan Kahn
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Posted - 2006.03.01 14:17:00 -
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 Originally by: DB Preacher
Personally, I prefer the kind of diplomacy where I hold a big fricking gun to someone's face and say suck on it.
But that's just me, I'm a bit more direct than your usual idiots in suits.
dbp
you have a diplomatic sens ??????
Originally by: Eris Discordia
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Zzazzt
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Posted - 2006.03.01 14:28:00 -
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Good post, but missing something about diplomacy in eve. Eve diplomats are rarely realistic about their srengths & weaknesses & often make propositions they just can't or will end up failing to back up - both in support and opposition.
Also, few of them will look at the big picture beyond the confines of their own interests, which are rarely wide enough in nature to fully consider the situations in which they find themselves.
Basically, what I'm trying to say is this:
Most Eve political screw-ups are caused by diplos talking a bigger fight than they can bring & misunderstanding what's happening around them 
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Zzazzt
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Posted - 2006.03.01 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: Nyuth
6) There is no place in diplomacy for bullying, emotivity, ego bursts
Dunno about that in Eve tbh. It all depends if you have the minerals to back up what you're saying.
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Colonel Kassad
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Posted - 2006.03.01 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher
Personally, I prefer the kind of diplomacy where I hold a big fricking gun to someone's face and say suck on it.
But that's just me, I'm a bit more direct than your usual idiots in suits.
dbp
That isn't diplomacy, that is force. And it only works until someone with a bigger gun comes along.
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thoth foc
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Posted - 2006.03.01 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Colonel Kassad
Originally by: DB Preacher
Personally, I prefer the kind of diplomacy where I hold a big fricking gun to someone's face and say suck on it.
But that's just me, I'm a bit more direct than your usual idiots in suits.
dbp
That isn't diplomacy, that is force. And it only works until someone with a bigger gun comes along.
not true.. force is teh after effect of not sucking the gun hard enuff.. sticking it in someone's face is a very valid approach 
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ex-DSMA
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Aticus K'nehan
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Posted - 2006.03.01 15:25:00 -
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A verygood summary of basic real world diplomatic principles. As has been pointed out, however, EvE isn't the real world. The goal of EvE diplomacy is often markedly different then real world diplomacy. In EvE the parties almost always want drama and conflict, or at least aren't all that concerened if negotiations devolve into conflict. The reason for what would normally be an irrational acceptance of conflict scenerios is the lack of any "real" consequences. In the end the worst possible outcome in EvE doesn't exact much in the way of meaningful negative consequences on the loosing party. Fleets can be rebuilt, clones can be activated, insurance can be collected, and the loser has not lost much from an objective standpoint.
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AvanCade
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Posted - 2006.03.01 15:44:00 -
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Very valid points...if this is followed by every individual alliance and corp...we might as well sing happy songs and mine in jita.
This game is not built for such epic events
Its all about Power...who has more guns...
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Kantar
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Posted - 2006.03.01 15:48:00 -
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Edited by: Kantar on 01/03/2006 15:48:33
Originally by: DB Preacher
Personally, I prefer the kind of diplomacy where I hold a big fricking gun to someone's face and say suck on it.
But that's just me, I'm a bit more direct than your usual idiots in suits.
dbp
Sound like you are more kind a gangster then a diplomat......but I like gangster more.... have a ....use it wisely.
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Hans Roaming
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Posted - 2006.03.01 18:39:00 -
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An excellent post and especially true about making the effort to see from your opponents side, I remember whilst reading up a lot on NLP that Ghandi used to spend a lot of time before negotiations putting himself into the British mindset to see how they viewed their presence in India.
Eve is more drmamtic than the real world and the consequences of conflict don't effect the players, although judgeing by some carebear posts when they loose a ship you'd think it did. However one can still use diplomacy to achieve ones goals as well as force, for example to fight enemies that you are matched to and not for example get so overwhelmed by enemies that you become swamped and unable to do anything at all.
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Posted - 2006.03.01 18:54:00 -
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should be put up as sticky.. just so that ppl can read it from time to time. it all makes sence
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Lisa Run
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Posted - 2006.03.01 18:59:00 -
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Nice post. I mean it's about the situation that you really want to come to an agreement to avoid a conflict.
Not meant for a situation like: "Damn, I'm bored. Lets have some diplomatic talks to alliance X. After that they either kiss our feets or we have a lot of action."
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Razor Jaxx
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Posted - 2006.03.01 19:07:00 -
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An interesting and well-read post.
In some situations you can achieve more at a lesser cost with smart diplomacy than you can by using brute force, including in EvE.
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2006.03.01 19:13:00 -
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It's all about horses for courses.
Diplomacy sometimes, gunboat diplomacy at others.
The trick is to know which to use when.
Interesting read though.
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Hugo Kaviene
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Posted - 2006.03.01 19:14:00 -
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Good post.
What usually lacks from eve diplomats is the 'consulting their leader' part.
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David Corbett
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Posted - 2006.03.01 19:51:00 -
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You forgot one of the most important rules of diplomacy: give opponents a golden bridge accross which to retire. FIX accepted talks for a pullout from some systems in Catch and then SA capitalised on their 'victory' with a set of ludicrous demands. The result was a diplomatic mess with SA, a war with BoB, a continuation of the war with FIX, and loss of good standings throughout the entire south.
This may all have been avoided had that simple rule been followed; but as the recordings provided by SirMolle showed, I am of the opinion that it was not.
(By the way, other events that could be attributed to this rule involve the runup in harsh relationship between the Central Powers and Russia - i.e. a contributing factor to nothing other than the First World War. So it's an important one.)
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USN CVN73
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Posted - 2006.03.02 03:02:00 -
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hehe did i buy this game for entertainment or is this a prereq to diplomacy 101 with college credit or government requirement for a position with a rank of GS-14 and above
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Pant Alones
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Posted - 2006.03.02 03:19:00 -
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Good post, but diplomacy in a pvp game is boring 
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Sergeant Spot
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Posted - 2006.03.02 04:13:00 -
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Excellent post.
A couple of observations:
No matter how skilled the diplomats, if the various parties involved have mutually exclusive "must have" points that they insist on, then the talks will fail. This should be understood from the start. Good will, intelligence and patience do NOT guarentee successful diplomacy.
However, with in game pressure, things can change, and the folks you are talking with might change the "must have" points they insist on. Agreement might be impossible today, but possible next week.
As for the folks that say "Eve is a PvP game", you are wrong.
Eve is a game with a PvP "heart". Not the same thing as a "pure" PvP game.
Eve is not, never has been, and never will be, a 100% pure PvP game. An individual's play of Eve might be pure PvP, but this is VERY rare, as such folks NEVER have ANYONE set to friendly, and they don't have corp mates. As soon as you have friends, you have non-pvp interaction. If your group has allies, even if you only work with them to shoot stuff, then you have group to group politics, no matter how much you'd like to deny it. Attila the Hun was VERY political, just like Gengis Khan, just like the Vikings, etc.....
As soon as you have group to group politics, there is a place and job for a smart, self disciplined and calm diplomat. It might be the diplomacy of Wolves, but it is still diplomacy.
Even for the diplomacy of Wolves, the original post has great value. For example: Negotiations are NOT always aimed at achieving peace. The pact between Germany and the USSR prior to WWII is a classic example. In the broad sweep of history, diplomacy for the purpose of helping with military attacks has been very very common.
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Beringe
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Posted - 2006.03.02 05:07:00 -
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Very nice post. Good textbook definition and strategy analysis of the generic diplomatic situation.
No 8 is where things really start relying on more than following simple rules - it is what seperates a good diplomat from a mediocre one, in my opinion.
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Hayabusa Fury
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Posted - 2006.03.02 07:59:00 -
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"Speak softly, and carry a big stick"
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Shittake
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Posted - 2006.03.02 08:12:00 -
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Very nice post.
One problem though. What you just described requires adults with attention spans long enough to focus on somethign other than the shiny thing in the corner. Those are a rarity in Eve.
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Cpt Pugwash
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Posted - 2006.03.02 08:43:00 -
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One of our pilots was stuck in a system with a gate camp and after a friendly chat with the campers asked them to contact me shortly after I logged on.
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Channel ID: 2105644868
Channel Name: Private Chat (Unfortunate Diplomat)
Listener: Cpt Pugwash
Session started: 2006.02.19 07:30:03
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[ 2006.02.19 07:30:16 ] Unfortunate Diplomat > lo, sry to waste ur time
[ 2006.02.19 07:30:47 ] Unfortunate Diplomat > but i got u set as blue,
[ 2006.02.19 07:32:07 ] Unfortunate Diplomat > and i am being told that u guys have us set as nuet
[ 2006.02.19 07:32:12 ] Cpt Pugwash > who are you?
[ 2006.02.19 07:32:22 ] Unfortunate Diplomat > we are à..
[ 2006.02.19 07:32:41 ] Unfortunate Diplomat > friends of -v- and the 5
[ 2006.02.19 07:32:43 ] Cpt Pugwash > I can see that
[ 2006.02.19 07:32:56 ] Cpt Pugwash > then I will adjust your standings
[ 2006.02.19 07:33:01 ] Unfortunate Diplomat > friends of àà..
[ 2006.02.19 07:33:12 ] Cpt Pugwash > your are kos to VC
[ 2006.02.19 07:33:20 ] Cpt Pugwash > as are all friends of 5
[ 2006.02.19 07:33:40 ] Unfortunate Diplomat > adjust good or bad?
[ 2006.02.19 07:33:48 ] Cpt Pugwash > your are KOS
[ 2006.02.19 07:34:05 ] Unfortunate Diplomat > k, ty
[ 2006.02.19 07:34:18 ] Cpt Pugwash > np
Lessons to learn for Diplomats:
Don't contact Cpt Pugwash for diplomacy there is a reason VC have Coug and Blade Gunner as our diplomats.
Don't contact anybody just after they have woke up and before he has finished rolling his first**** of the morning.
Do some homework on your subject VC diplomats are more skilled and a lot more patient but in the end statements like 'friends of -v- and the 5' can only get you one result.
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Josiah Bartlet
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Posted - 2006.03.02 08:58:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Pugwash
One of our pilots was stuck in a system with a gate camp and after a friendly chat with the campers asked them to contact me shortly after I logged on.
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Channel ID: 2105644868
Channel Name: Private Chat (Unfortunate Diplomat)
Listener: Cpt Pugwash
Session started: 2006.02.19 07:30:03
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[ 2006.02.19 07:30:16 ] Unfortunate Diplomat > lo, sry to waste ur time
[ 2006.02.19 07:30:47 ] Unfortunate Diplomat > but i got u set as blue,
[ 2006.02.19 07:32:07 ] Unfortunate Diplomat > and i am being told that u guys have us set as nuet
[ 2006.02.19 07:32:12 ] Cpt Pugwash > who are you?
[ 2006.02.19 07:32:22 ] Unfortunate Diplomat > we are à..
[ 2006.02.19 07:32:41 ] Unfortunate Diplomat > friends of -v- and the 5
[ 2006.02.19 07:32:43 ] Cpt Pugwash > I can see that
[ 2006.02.19 07:32:56 ] Cpt Pugwash > then I will adjust your standings
[ 2006.02.19 07:33:01 ] Unfortunate Diplomat > friends of àà..
[ 2006.02.19 07:33:12 ] Cpt Pugwash > your are kos to VC
[ 2006.02.19 07:33:20 ] Cpt Pugwash > as are all friends of 5
[ 2006.02.19 07:33:40 ] Unfortunate Diplomat > adjust good or bad?
[ 2006.02.19 07:33:48 ] Cpt Pugwash > your are KOS
[ 2006.02.19 07:34:05 ] Unfortunate Diplomat > k, ty
[ 2006.02.19 07:34:18 ] Cpt Pugwash > np
Lessons to learn for Diplomats:
Don't contact Cpt Pugwash for diplomacy there is a reason VC have Coug and Blade Gunner as our diplomats.
Don't contact anybody just after they have woke up and before he has finished rolling his first**** of the morning.
Do some homework on your subject VC diplomats are more skilled and a lot more patient but in the end statements like 'friends of -v- and the 5' can only get you one result.
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Arielle deVoir
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Posted - 2006.03.02 09:01:00 -
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Hi Nyuth
We are very interested in talking to you regarding this subject, please expect an eve mail to arrive shortly.
If you have any questions or concerns please mail [email protected] and I'll do my best to answer all your questions.
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Cpt Pugwash
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Posted - 2006.03.02 09:04:00 -
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Originally by: Arielle deVoir
Hi Nyuth
We are very interested in talking to you regarding this subject, please expect an eve mail to arrive shortly.
If you have any questions or concerns please mail [email protected] and I'll do my best to answer all your questions.
I hope this message is to issue a warning, the last thing eve needs is a flood of skilled diplomats running round making galaxy wide peace
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Josiah Bartlet
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Posted - 2006.03.02 09:10:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Pugwash
Originally by: Arielle deVoir
Hi Nyuth
We are very interested in talking to you regarding this subject, please expect an eve mail to arrive shortly.
If you have any questions or concerns please mail [email protected] and I'll do my best to answer all your questions.
I hope this message is to issue a warning, the last thing eve needs is a flood of skilled diplomats running round making galaxy wide peace
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buya
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Shittake
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Posted - 2006.03.02 09:29:00 -
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Originally by: Josiah Bartlet
I know I have Colin Powell on retainer
buya
You have a colon retainer? Is that some kind of new toy?
Sorry, but I had to.
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Sergeant Spot
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Pugwash
Originally by: Arielle deVoir
Hi Nyuth
We are very interested in talking to you regarding this subject, please expect an eve mail to arrive shortly.
If you have any questions or concerns please mail [email protected] and I'll do my best to answer all your questions.
I hope this message is to issue a warning, the last thing eve needs is a flood of skilled diplomats running round making galaxy wide peace
Remember, Skilled Diplomats can use their skills to support war making as well as peace making.
There is a common misconception that diplomacy always works for peace.
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Clementina
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Posted - 2006.03.03 00:15:00 -
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Originally by: Pant Alones
Good post, but diplomacy in a pvp game is boring
Actually, Diplomacy in PvP games is fun. Consider diplomacy in WoW, a PvE game. Is that fun? I didn't think so. PvP and diplomacy go hand in hand, unless the game is something like counterstrike, chess, or something similar.
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HatePeace LoveWar
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Posted - 2006.03.03 03:05:00 -
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The only politics in eve should be shotgun politics.
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2006.03.03 08:51:00 -
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Interesting read, thanks.
For all those that say 'Diplomacy has no place' I completely disagree. And not just because I'm in the ISS :). Negotiating and making deals is _lots_ of fun, and far more interesting PvP than 'ug, we shoot'.
Remember, one doesn't always preclude the other. But if you start off by negotiating, you can often find a beneficial option for both parties.
It's often been said that it's almost impossible to kill an alliance. So what you get is a cycle of diplomacy and aggression. It's important to be aware of both parts of it :).
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Posted - 2006.03.03 11:01:00 -
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ah ..and along with more diplomacy comes more maturity in Eve..and less..L33t.
Hopefully also an increase in RP and decrease in NBSI..the policy not the Alliance...although some may wish the latter as well.
A lot of people harp on about PvP..and yes it is an essential element of Eve..BUT..and it's a big but..seems most of the PvP..gun monkeys forget...Eve is listed as an MMORPG..and thus anything that enhances the RPG part is better for the game.
If you don't agree and think it should all be about holding on to your fleeting power..and massaging your egoes over who has the biggest gun...then maybe CS is more for you...
And with the latter in mind..if More RP and diplomacy etc drives you away...can I have your stuff?
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thoth foc
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Posted - 2006.03.03 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: Jhonen Senraedi
ah ..and along with more diplomacy comes more maturity in Eve..and less..L33t.
Hopefully also an increase in RP and decrease in NBSI..the policy not the Alliance...although some may wish the latter as well.
A lot of people harp on about PvP..and yes it is an essential element of Eve..BUT..and it's a big but..seems most of the PvP..gun monkeys forget...Eve is listed as an MMORPG..and thus anything that enhances the RPG part is better for the game.
If you don't agree and think it should all be about holding on to your fleeting power..and massaging your egoes over who has the biggest gun...then maybe CS is more for you...
And with the latter in mind..if More RP and diplomacy etc drives you away...can I have your stuff?
Quite a few assumaptions..
I have not observed maturity to be connected with RP or NBSI policies.. the top PVP groups pretty much all 18+ groups. Corps and alliances themselves, are a form of RP, corp policies just an extention of this.
Personnally I find unrealistic views more immature. RL dipolmacy is simply a reflection of need, due to consquences. RPG's allow ppl to act more as they would wish, without some of the consquences.
If you want to avoid PVP, stay in Empire.. it's easy to avoid war dec's there and you can live your entire career with the backup of Concord. By complaining about pvp your basically saying.. "I want access to the the best resources, but i dont want to risk anything doing it.." and many ppl find games without risk boring..
--thoth
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ex-Curse Alliance
ex-DSMA
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Markie
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Posted - 2006.03.03 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: thoth foc
Originally by: Jhonen Senraedi
ah ..and along with more diplomacy comes more maturity in Eve..and less..L33t.
Hopefully also an increase in RP and decrease in NBSI..the policy not the Alliance...although some may wish the latter as well.
A lot of people harp on about PvP..and yes it is an essential element of Eve..BUT..and it's a big but..seems most of the PvP..gun monkeys forget...Eve is listed as an MMORPG..and thus anything that enhances the RPG part is better for the game.
If you don't agree and think it should all be about holding on to your fleeting power..and massaging your egoes over who has the biggest gun...then maybe CS is more for you...
And with the latter in mind..if More RP and diplomacy etc drives you away...can I have your stuff?
Quite a few assumaptions..
I have not observed maturity to be connected with RP or NBSI policies.. the top PVP groups pretty much all 18+ groups. Corps and alliances themselves, are a form of RP, corp policies just an extention of this.
Personnally I find unrealistic views more immature. RL dipolmacy is simply a reflection of need, due to consquences. RPG's allow ppl to act more as they would wish, without some of the consquences.
If you want to avoid PVP, stay in Empire.. it's easy to avoid war dec's there and you can live your entire career with the backup of Concord. By complaining about pvp your basically saying.. "I want access to the the best resources, but i dont want to risk anything doing it.." and many ppl find games without risk boring..
I normal find my self flaming you but in this case I totaly agrea with you and I say well said.
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Sergeant Spot
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Posted - 2006.03.03 14:17:00 -
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***Quietly laughs at all the short sighted fools who assume that diplomacy is a tool used to promote peace***
Diplomacy can promote anything you want, including more PvP. Skilled, calm and quick witted diplomats ftw
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Avernus
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Posted - 2006.03.03 19:03:00 -
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Diplomacy > All
My humble biased opinion.
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Devoras2
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Posted - 2006.03.03 21:06:00 -
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Old news since im working with this, but a good post
Gives me memories back when i was a student.
It tempts me to post additinal info to the 11 points to supplement what it lacks. Thats both for RL and maybe some points to make it more EVE related.
But i`l wait until its more requested.
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Nyuth
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Posted - 2006.03.03 22:44:00 -
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Without any further pretention, my post was only meant to provide a very basic roadmap limited to a simple framework: two opposed entities attempting to avoid hostilities.
Diplomacy is by no means an universal tool. Like any tool, its use only makes sense if you resort to it by calling the right people in the appropriate context in opportune time. Also, contrary to a popular belief, diplomacy is not generically tied to peace: diplomacy can play a very extended range of tunes.
Diplomacy and war invariably serve a finite set of purposes: either containment and/or neutralisation of other entities, either consolidation and/or expansion of your own entity.
Far from being mutually exclusive, war and diplomacy are just two complementary aspects of the same task: promoting your interests. Some prefer to rely on brute force, others may achieve equivalent results discretely. There's a place and a time for everyone in EVE's universe, just enjoy the play style who suits you. |
Shai Faetal
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Posted - 2006.03.04 00:42:00 -
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Edited by: Shai Faetal on 04/03/2006 00:43:32
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Encourage The Heart
- Use intrinsic rewards to honor those who have served well.
this has nothing to do with BoB, although it comes really close to what they have achieved today. This summary shows how King Henry V uses the five practices and commitments of the Charismatic Leadership paradigm. The text does not do justice to Shakespeare's work.
this might not make sense to the average "omwgpwned crowd", but meh, i copy and pasted all and couldn't keep myself from not posting it 
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This topic deserves a sticky.
I agree fully with those who say that diplomacy is not just a peace-time tool. Given the right military backing, a good diplomat is the perfect aide for both conquest and war.
The diplomat assures that war is not fought on too many fronts at the same time.
The diplomat gives a defeated faction a graceful way out through surrender, which soldifies the victory.
Threats, manipulation and backstabbing are all in the diplomat's repertoire. It takes a really skilled diplomat to use these tools correctly, and subtly.
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