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Alexia Te'Len
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Posted - 2003.09.04 22:30:00 -
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Simply put, I can't see Elite Frigates being that much of a thing for us die-hard Frigate pilots...after all, Frigate skill is just a pre-req for Battleships...meaning every Tom, **** and Harry with a Battleship will just have to do a little bit of training then immediatly be in the same ships as those of us who have gone "pure" Frigate.
Bah. 
Yes, I'm jumping to conclusions and yes, I don't make much sense...but still. It's worrying.
*Sigh*
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2003.09.04 22:31:00 -
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rest assured, we battleship pilots will not fly elite frigates, except for fun maybe 
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Gan Howorth
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Posted - 2003.09.04 22:36:00 -
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It'll be two races frigate skills prolly at 5 or with another skill maybe?
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Macumba
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Posted - 2003.09.04 22:37:00 -
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If the database is anything to go by then you'll need a combination of frigate skills in order to use them, eg. Caldari & Minmatar, Amarr & Minmatar.
Though if their stats are anything to go by then they'll still be cannon fodder for the most part, and probably expensive cannon fodder at that.
Frigates are in dire need of a purpose apart from a step on the ladder to a battleship. The only advantage they have is that they're expendable. You can still hand a frigate pilot their ass back to them even with large weapons, which in my eyes is absolutely ridiculous.
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Alexia Te'Len
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Posted - 2003.09.04 22:42:00 -
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Well, I'm training all race Frigate skills, and the appropiate Gunnery skills as well (Hybrid, Laser....etc) all to level four at the mo, going to be taking them to level five once I feel comfortable with what I have.
I just hope that we "pure" Frigate'ers are rewarded in some way...I'm not asking to be able to take down a Battleship mano-a-mano, but I am asking that we can at least survive against them for more than a single barrage.
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Skelator
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Posted - 2003.09.04 22:44:00 -
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Simply put, I can't see Elite Frigates being that much of a thing for us die-hard Frigate pilots...after all, Frigate skill is just a pre-req for Battleships...meaning every Tom, **** and Harry with a Battleship will just have to do a little bit of training then immediatly be in the same ships as those of us who have gone "pure" Frigate.
Bah.
Yes, I'm jumping to conclusions and yes, I don't make much sense...but still. It's worrying.
*Sigh*
Why not a Elite Frigate Skill set then with the training as long and hard and expensive as a Bship Skill but with EXCELLANT Elite or Unique Frigates !!!
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Ganja
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Posted - 2003.09.04 23:26:00 -
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Uh..
To whomever thinks those w/ the battleship skill will get their Elite Frigate nice and fast, regardless if your flying the Malediction or the Kalypso.. You need Navigation 5, Science 5, and Warp Drive Op. 5 (I believe).. and on top of that you need lvl4/5 of both hybrid Race skills (IE: Crow = Lvl4 Caldari Frig, Lvl4 Gallente - I think Gal.. *shrugs*)..
AND on top of that you'll need Jump Drive Op., as Elite Frigates will be able to use'm.. supposevly..
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2003.09.04 23:31:00 -
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Elite frigates will rock your b'hind.
Mark my words ;)
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Shock
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Posted - 2003.09.05 02:10:00 -
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I think Elite frigates themselves worry me.
Why not upgrade the current frigates? They are already all catching dust the moment you get a cruiser. With the Elite frigates I might as well start recycling them.
What's wrong with cheap frigates being able to take down bigger ships? Why do we need better 'uberfrigates' to keep the older players happy?
Why shouldn't newbies have some meaning on the battlehield as well if they come with 15 medium and high-end frigates? Ofcourse a veteran frigate pilot would blast them away but at least they should be reckoned with....and it would give the veteran some reason to leave his battleship.
That'll teach cruiser and bs pilots not to fly without escort or equip their cruiser or battleship in a more diverse way instead of maximum damage.
There is no tactical value for frigates and elites are then ofcourse becoming too expensive to be expandable. The main power of the frigates.
The game atm is only about getting bigger better ships, instead of picking one you like and becoming very good at using it, and beating others because they aren't as skilled or smart as you are with their ships.
You know, the moment 90% has a battleship (and that moment will come) it will be like Armageddon Day, and that day was only fun for 5 minutes. After that I was bored as hell untill me and some buddies packed up some mallers and started blowing up battleships.
We would have picked frigates if I could have find 3 more pilots. That would have been real fun, even though frigates are just too easy target to be a serious threat.
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Kapp
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Posted - 2003.09.05 02:21:00 -
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Yes a fleet of frigates would be quite fearsome... tell me, how do frigates handle a swarm of 8 wasps/ogres?
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Shock
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Posted - 2003.09.05 02:54:00 -
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By taking them out. I think sure 8 frigates can take down 8 heavy drones.
Anyway I'm not saying the current situaltion is like it should be IMHO.
The problem with the current situaltion is that in the same time the battleship has little trouble placing hits on the frigates as well, and that is just more then they can take.
Heavy turrets should be used to either hit other battleships or for cruisers with difficulty (and only the lightest types with better tracking).
That way ships will mainly focus on fighting ships of the same class or up, which should be way more fun. Unless they are equipping themselves in a onorhthodox fashion. Like battleships taking along 2 150 rails and a large smartbomb in which case it instantly becomes a far greater threat to frigates at the cost of three extrmely expensive hi slots.
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Runefinger
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Posted - 2003.09.05 02:55:00 -
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hey pretend to be a drone too 
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Kashre
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Posted - 2003.09.05 06:33:00 -
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Well, frigates arent totally useless, but I dont think a pure frigate pilot will have too much to do in a large scale combat. Im ok with that though, there are other thigns they can do.
If you have a sanctioned war going, I could see frigates being a cheap, expendable, and usefull way to go out hunting enemy indys...
I also find frigates to be great for scouting potentially hostile areas of space. I use them sometimes to check on blockades, or scout areas I have not been to before to see what corps and/or pirates hang out there, and to check on the NPCs.
I also use frigates for exploring when Im using the scanner to look for interesting stuff, like hidden pirate bases and such.
And I know of at lest one instance where a frigate managed to lock down a battleship with warp jammers so the heavy hitters could get there and finish it off
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Archemedes
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Posted - 2003.09.05 07:17:00 -
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A group of Kerstels with cruise missiles could be VERY dangerous. With 3 afterburners no drone could catch them (neither could most missiles), and they'd be able to launch a LOT of ordinance at you. Frigate turrets are meaningless to a battleship unless there are a LOT of frigates, but Kestrals are good missile boats, Griffins are ok EW ships, Punishers can put out enough turret fire to seriously mess up a drone swarm, and Vigils are the ultimate scoutship.
Can frigates win a battle alone? Not normally. Can frigates working with cruisers take down battleships? Yep. And if you lose a few frigates and a Blackbird but kill an Armegeddon, you won the fight...
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Derran
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Posted - 2003.09.05 07:48:00 -
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Edited by: Derran on 05/09/2003 07:57:26
I feel exactly the same way especially now that I have a Dominix. I miss the days of flying a frigate. But why would I want to fly one in a place where most pk'rs are flying a battleship? After watching my heavy turrets swatting the weakest of npc pirates, I started to lose alot more faith in frigates. I don't think it is right that I was able to nail them so regularly. It feels like I am killing flies with a sledgehammer. I had hoped the way it would work is that my heavy turrets would be only capable of dealing with anything above a frigate class ship and I would have to use my drones to take out frigates. As it is, my 5750 drone bay sits permanently full, never a drone being launched. I'm not saying a Frigate should be able to take out a cruiser or battleship, just not die from just 1 volley from turrets. With missiles maybe though missiles have some travel time and thus a moment of escape time.
My whole beef, when it comes right down to it, is that I favor this game because there is no real 'levels' of advancement like other games. But right now, it is going to the 'biggest is better' mentality and I hate that. Just because you invest 60+ million in a battleship doesn't mean you should not be worried about that group of 2 cruisers coming towards you or that group of 20 frigates. People appear to like the ability to solo but if the game was about soloing, it'd be a single player game, right?
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Chai N'Dorr
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Posted - 2003.09.05 11:23:00 -
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I recently upgraded from Frigate to Cruiser, but I find myself longing for my trusted Frigate collection again.
Perhaps I am hunting the wrong things, but most of the times my combat just isn't that interesting with the Cruiser.
At least with the Frig's I am in the thick of the fight watching missiles up close and noticing my armour peal away :) and the that sigh of relief when you either manage to warp away in time or wreck that last bogie with 10% hull left.
Can't wait for Elite Frigs, time to let my Stabber collect some dust.
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BSOD
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Posted - 2003.09.05 14:29:00 -
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A group of Kerstels with cruise missiles could be VERY dangerous. With 3 afterburners no drone could catch them (neither could most missiles), and they'd be able to launch a LOT of ordinance at you. Frigate turrets are meaningless to a battleship unless there are a LOT of frigates, but Kestrals are good missile boats, Griffins are ok EW ships, Punishers can put out enough turret fire to seriously mess up a drone swarm, and Vigils are the ultimate scoutship.
Can frigates win a battle alone? Not normally. Can frigates working with cruisers take down battleships? Yep. And if you lose a few frigates and a Blackbird but kill an Armegeddon, you won the fight...
Once missles get a little loving, Kestrels will be EXTREMELY DANGEROUS ships.
Load up torps and that's close to 2000 damage in a single volley, from a ship that only costs 110-150k in minerals. A pair of Kestrels could take down most of any battleship's shields in one volley (8x450 damage) at a max of 400-500k cost (the torps plus a loss of both ships)
If they survived for 20 seconds longer, they'd do serious armor damage for only 100-200k more.
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Snowman
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Posted - 2003.09.05 14:33:00 -
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Kestrels wont be able to fire torps when the missle changes are applied to tranquility. There wont be an m-12 class launcher that can hold 2m3 I believe. If you were to look at Chaos right now though you can slap 4 m-12 arbalests loaded with 3 torps each onto a kestrel. Then combine that with 3 ECM modules and you have yourself a cheap stupidly overpowered frigate.
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Skeeve
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Posted - 2003.09.05 14:41:00 -
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if your in a battlewagon and you let a couple of frigate pilots get inside your effective range.. you're in trouble... your uberturrets can't track fast enough to hit, and the little guys will pick you apart. 
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Trianon Starstealer
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Posted - 2003.09.05 16:01:00 -
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Small ships with torpedoes present a silly amount of damage? That seems realistic to me.... and reflects the true nature of warfare.... battleships are not, and never have been invunerable, just tough, if you look at the history of warfare you will see plenty of battle ships being destroyed by a couple of torpedoes from a smaller opponent.
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Koda
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Posted - 2003.09.05 16:05:00 -
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I had a situation the other night where I squared off against a Merlin in my cruiser. I had him webbed so he couldn't get out of a turtle's way.
In that situation, I expect to be able to hit him. At full speed, it should be a chore.
Couldn't they tweak the frigate's agility to lower the hit probability from medium and large turrets?
To use a well worn Star Wars example, large imperial cruisers (Star Destroyers and the like) had a hell of a time hitting X-wings with mounted turrets and the Death Star had no chance.
Making frig's tougher to hit would increase the thrill of the game and give frigates a role in fights against bigger ships.
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Hardin
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Posted - 2003.09.05 16:06:00 -
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At PIE Inc we have experimented with frigates in our war with Oracle.
While they are cannon fodder in small engagements I have noticed in the big battles +30 ships the frigs tend to get ignored as fire is concentrated on taking down the Battleships and EW ships...
Coordinated groups of frigs packed with the right loadouts can deal out some impressive damage...
Even in the smaller clashes they have played a role by attracting fire giving the larger ships a chance to engage.
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Edward Preble
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Posted - 2003.09.05 16:15:00 -
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Having organize a variety of fleet efforts, it has become clear that cruisers and frigates are still very valuable, despite battleship presence.
Do frigates or cruisers take on a battleship, one on one? Of course not. That's not the point--
But if you're scouring a system for a pirate, frigates are far superior to battleships for checking belts and planets--and all they have to do is hold the target for 10 seconds so the cavalry can ride in.
And as was pointed out in a previous post, we had a battleship try and crash a frigate duel, and ended up being scrambled and held until reinforcements from another star system came in.
It's also important to remember the $/firepower ratio. Frigates have the best, followed by cruisers, then low battleships, finally high battleships. While the biggest battleships are the most powerful, they're the least efficient, in money spent.
Edward Preble
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Mr Bubbles
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Posted - 2003.09.05 17:02:00 -
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Screw frigates, I want an elite Ibis. |
GraveDigger
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Posted - 2003.09.05 17:56:00 -
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frigs will Rule all.. when combat formations come out..
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.09.05 18:02:00 -
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frigs will Rule all.. when combat formations come out..
damn you are ugly.
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