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Pyrostasis
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Posted - 2006.03.01 18:19:00 -
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I have just recently gotten into eve and started enjoying myself, I have played off and on since release, but never really gotten into it untill now. Personally I always wanted to get the bigger and badder ships untill someone showed me that specialization was the way to go. Getting into that bs or bc in a few weeks does you no good if your hitting like a toddler on a tantrum.
Yesterday I was doing my normal pirate run and I was scanning a belt and was suprised to see a Retriever, Battleship (Minmatter forget the name), and a Ferox. I pulled up the employment historys to see how long these guys had been playing and all of them had started on or around 1/09/06 Im thinking how the hell did they get into these ships so fast... that ferox must be using assaults...
So I patiently wait scanning and wait for the escorts to leave, and sure enough after about 10 minutes they did. I warp in on the barge and fire two volleys, when I asked for an 8 mill ransom the guy was like... I dont have it, Im thinking what the hell are you doing in a barge in low sec with under 20m in funds. I knew the escorts were more likely than not coming back so went ahead and poped the barge, looted the minning lasers thankfully enough he dropped them both and started to align to get out, sure enough in comes the bs and the ferox.
Now My Thorax is a armor tank, they warped in at 5k range to me, and I had to pull away to 12k with an ab (only doing 100m faster than they were) and the poor buggers couldnt even drop my shields. Tanking a BS and a BC for a solid two minutes and they didnt even touch me.
Part of me felt bad for jumping these obviously new and low sp players... but then again If I hadnt done it someone else would have... but I feel that there are alot of new players who are under the believe that bigger is better. Poor guys 8(
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Lucas Seraphim
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Posted - 2006.03.01 18:39:00 -
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Gotta agree with you on that. I almost succumbed to the "bigger is better" during my first month and powered my way into a cruiser. Then I realized I had actually been safer and more successful in my frigate, and had more fun to boot.
The only sucky thing for me is not knowing whether that BS is a newb or a pro. I could scan him, but if he's a pro he'll probably respond to the target lock with extreme prejudice. I could use a passive targeter but now we're looking at two modules just to scan a ship covertly. This being on a frigate, I don't exactly have a ton of room for that. :(
That is all.
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Lsv1
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Posted - 2006.03.01 18:44:00 -
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Agreed. Some mates of mine just can't realise that taking their new expensive BS/BC into the belts is a bad idea. They should stick to missions or rat in something cheaper, because they WILL lose them. :)
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Ghargon
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Posted - 2006.03.01 19:24:00 -
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Its simply the only way people learn to be honest. You as a pirate have a responsibility to teach them the dangers of low-sec. The sooner they learn the faster they adapt. Simple as; and you can't fault the logic.
So get out there and keep shooting
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Garreck
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Posted - 2006.03.01 19:33:00 -
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 Originally by: Pyrostasis
Now My Thorax is a armor tank, they warped in at 5k range to me, and I had to pull away to 12k with an ab (only doing 100m faster than they were) and the poor buggers couldnt even drop my shields. Tanking a BS and a BC for a solid two minutes and they didnt even touch me.
You fly a thorax with an AB and guns that require you to fire from 12k? Blaster-rax coulda taken 'em both easily enough if the engagement started at 5km...something to consider for next time.
You're a pirate. Don't feel bad for doing what pirates inherently do. If a victim takes it personally (and they will) then they're not worth any heartache on your part. If you really want to feel better about yourself, you can offer 'em tips on "what to do next time" or something. But only if they're polite to begin with.
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Blaise Elcadan
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Posted - 2006.03.01 20:05:00 -
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Yeah, Im one of the newb (less than 1 mill skill points) sheep out there, and I say let em have it!
I have a love hate relationship with pirates... I hope you all die horrible deaths and I hope to never see you, but you add a lot that totally enriches this game :)
Good hunting (but stay away from me!)
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Vodalus
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Posted - 2006.03.01 20:17:00 -
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Personally, I won't even bother with a noob in a frigate, but I've blown up a lot of 10-20 day old characters in cruisers lately.
No one on a trial account belongs in a cruiser in low-sec. They gotta learn one way or another and as far as I'm concerned the sooner the better.
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Herculite
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Posted - 2006.03.01 20:20:00 -
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Edited by: Herculite on 01/03/2006 20:20:17
I'm a new player, 5-6 weeks myself, and yea I could easily be in a BS. I've made enough money for it, hell several times over if I sold some of the stuff I used instead, but outside of a ferox for mission running I'm putting my points in 'investment' skills and I know that in a BS I'd still be a gimp in a BS. They should have firgured that out themselves.
While I think CCP should do something to help normalize the skill point differences slightly, its going to be several months, even focusing on one path, before I can come close to competing with any older characters, new players should be smart enough to figure out you need more than a big ship to be effective.
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Pyrostasis
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Posted - 2006.03.01 20:55:00 -
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My ship is fine fighting from point blank to around 10k, but I was trying to get away he only had a close range jammer so once I pulled I was able to warp.
As Im relatively new to pirating, and ship setups I figured it was better to get away with my loot than to risk getting tagged. I knew I could kill the ferox... but wasnt sure about the bs.
As for competeing... I have less than 3mill at into combat and I have taken down far superior players in SP, its all about the setup, what they are flying what you are flying and how it goes down.
I used to think afs were truely scary, now that I have eaten a few Im not as worried about them as I used to be. Find yourself a good ship (for me the rax) and spend a few weeks tweaking it. Once you get the perfect ballance of dmg and defence you will have some fun... just a real bummer how fast that damn sec status drops 8(
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Metatron Celestia
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Posted - 2006.03.01 21:53:00 -
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Edited by: Metatron Celestia on 01/03/2006 21:53:15
What would have really taught them a lesson is if an Assault Frigate took out all three of those ships.
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Pyrostasis
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Posted - 2006.03.01 22:20:00 -
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would like to send them a wake up call, not make them quit the game in frustration lol.
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Ellandrian D'Amerathe
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Posted - 2006.03.01 22:59:00 -
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I was VISCIOUSLY tempted a while back before I joined my current corp. Was in a blasterax and ran across a Gedden with a very new pilot in a .4 system. I honestly could not figure out how he could possibly have the ship and have it fitted with anything other than miner 1s given his age.
I seem to be opposite of the norm, almost 10 million SP now and I only have 1 racial BS trained to level 1. I like flying fast too much
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Izo Azlion
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Posted - 2006.03.01 23:23:00 -
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I rushed to a Ferox, then after 6 Ferox's, only now do I know how to fly it, what it can, and cant, do.
Specialisation ftw
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Benglada
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Posted - 2006.03.01 23:40:00 -
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speaking of killing a bs in an af, i got a domi to 10% armor, he was mineing and had 5 ogres as defence (which cant hit me) so i laughed, about 3 minutes later (he had a half decent tank) he had 3 ferox's show up and defend him....I scooted out of system, came back later and killed a mineing barge right out from underneath them
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Unfrtinately you dnot get to vote.. 
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Manyara
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:09:00 -
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I rushed into a thorax and lost 4 before i became vaguely competent with them.
Then I rushed into a deimos (you'd have thought I'd learnt my lesson) and lost 2 of those of 48 hours. You can imagine my frustration.
dont be too keep to get into a particular ship. The skill requirements only tell you half the story. But once you do get into your shiny new Cruiser/bs/HAC/garbage can, expect to lose it. Several times. You dont learn without making mistakes, and unfortunately in this came, a surprising proportion of those mistakes end up being fatal.
Mt 2 isk
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.03.02 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: Pyrostasis
and I had to pull away to 12k with an ab (only doing 100m faster than they were) and the poor buggers couldnt even drop my shields. Tanking a BS and a BC for a solid two minutes and they didnt even touch me.
Battleships dont hit well at that range if they have long range guns on. On top of that they sucked
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Cecil Montague
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Posted - 2006.03.02 22:54:00 -
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Edited by: Cecil Montague on 02/03/2006 22:55:05
Double post...ohhh fist time it's happened cool.. er or not.
"There is no such thing as an effective segment of totality." - Bruce Lee |
Cecil Montague
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Posted - 2006.03.02 22:54:00 -
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I've been playing for 15 months and i still would consider solo PvP in a BS. I just don't consider myself skilled enough to risk something that expensive. I can do more damage in a cruiser or AF. Plus BS and BC are too slow, i get bored easily.
"There is no such thing as an effective segment of totality." - Bruce Lee |
Herko Kerghans
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Posted - 2006.03.03 04:25:00 -
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Originally by: Ellandrian D'Amerathe
I seem to be opposite of the norm, almost 10 million SP now and I only have 1 racial BS trained to level 1. I like flying fast too much
Yeah! Anything bigger than a frig is a waste of skillpoints!
@ OP: If people are in low-sec, they are legal targets.
Bragging about shooting rookie pilots (which you are not doing, of course), that would be lame.
But ransoming or destroying a vessel for the loot, with the lowest possible risk, while being polite in all communications, that is what piracy is supposed to be.
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Alliaanna Dalaii
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Posted - 2006.03.03 07:48:00 -
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Originally by: Pyrostasis
Edited by: Pyrostasis on 01/03/2006 18:29:37
Personally I always wanted to get the bigger and badder ships untill someone showed me that specialization was the way to go. Getting into that bs or bc in a few weeks does you no good if your hitting like a toddler on a tantrum.
Dear god if only everyone could understand this id be a much less aggressive man in corpchat
Alliaanna
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DoctorDanny
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Posted - 2006.03.03 07:57:00 -
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Originally by: Lsv1
Agreed. Some mates of mine just can't realise that taking their new expensive BS/BC into the belts is a bad idea. They should stick to missions or rat in something cheaper, because they WILL lose them. :)
Well you could also advise them to use your favourite tactics instead if they get pirated.
-Smacktalk
-Logg off in combat
Damn logger.
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Ashelth
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Posted - 2006.03.03 09:19:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
Originally by: Pyrostasis
and I had to pull away to 12k with an ab (only doing 100m faster than they were) and the poor buggers couldnt even drop my shields. Tanking a BS and a BC for a solid two minutes and they didnt even touch me.
Battleships dont hit well at that range if they have long range guns on. On top of that they sucked
*sighs* anyone with halfway decent gunnery skills would have swatted a cruiser out of the sky on an inline chase (yay 0 transveral)
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Suladriel
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Posted - 2006.03.03 09:33:00 -
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tbh, if you were able to tank them, you would have killed the BC and the BS eventually. I would have tried , especially in a Thorax.
btw, I only have 4.5 Mil SP TOTAL!
Noobs in ships that they have no supporting skills to fly is a crime imo. I killed a noob that was in a Raven while I was in a Rifter. The belt rats eventually appeared when he got to about 50% armour and helped LOL (the guy had logged off too but had left all his modules running), and then Mathias Orsten warped in just after I killed him so I warped out and Mathias got the loot :(
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migwar
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Posted - 2006.03.03 09:41:00 -
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I only really use a BS for missions and ratting, pvp is much better in frig/AF/Intys. BS are too slow 
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Jaghatai Vachir
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Posted - 2006.03.03 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: migwar
I only really use a BS for missions and ratting, pvp is much better in frig/AF/Intys. BS are too slow
That is so refreshing to hear. Last time I played you would have thought BS's were better than sex, I take it people have finally started to realise that BS are for fleet vs fleet actions now?
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DoMxj
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Posted - 2006.03.03 13:10:00 -
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Edited by: DoMxj on 03/03/2006 13:11:45
Edited by: DoMxj on 03/03/2006 13:11:11
My god noobs in big ships This topic has been covered many many times before I always think that it is common sence.
U NEED AT LEAST 9-10mil+ SP to begin taking a bs into battle and these sp all in pvp. Maybe u can fight in a raven with bit less sp but again particurlaly for the lazer bs's u need very good skills to get good hits and decent tanks.
Now if u want to rathunt in a bs again u need extremely good skills in gunnery to rathunt in 0.0. Except with the raven
So stop trying to get big ships and play with what u supposed to. Its so funny when i kill a bs in my harpy cause the pilot is an uber nublar. And he is sniping me in his geddon for 14dmg form 90k and i hit him for 180 with my 150rail and spike ammo lol
I have close to 9mil all in pvp and in 1 race. And i havent even the skill for BS or for HACS and BC.
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DoMxj
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Posted - 2006.03.03 13:12:00 -
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Edited by: DoMxj on 03/03/2006 13:11:11
My god noobs in big ships This topic has been covered many many times before I always think that it is common sence.
U NEED AT LEAST 9-10mil+ SP to begin taking a bs into battle and these sp all in pvp. Maybe u can fight in a raven with bit less sp but again particurlaly for the lazer bs's u need very good skills to get good hits and decent tanks.
Now if u want to rathunt in a bs again u need extremely good skills in gunnery to rathunt in 0.0. Except with the raven
So stop trying to get big ships and play with what u supposed to. Its so funny when i kill a bs in my harpy cause the pilot is an uber nublar. And he is sniping me in his geddon for 14dmg form 90k and i hit him for 180 with my 150rail and spike ammo lol
I have close to 9mil all in pvp and in 1 race. And i havent even the skill for BS or for HACS and BC.
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Prozac Paxil
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Posted - 2006.03.03 15:08:00 -
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Hello Guys and Girls,
Since I am a noob myself I experienced the need to post something in here myself - Here we go:
I could't wait to get my Thorax driving license and it took me 2 weeks (I did not go there straight - did some learning and other stuff before)
After my poor Cataclyst and my pod got ripped by Ginger Magican I bought my first Thorax and fitted it with 200mm Rails - Big suprise: I couldn't hit a ****! 
So it took me another 10 days to be able to fit anything useful on my Rax.
Right now I am using a PvP Blaster setup with 5 Modal Light Blasters big plate, hardeners, MWD, Webber.
When it comes to Piratin I am flying with a experienced Charakter who uses pretty much the same Blasterax as me.
One day we've been around in low sec - It has been my first time - SWEATING - NERVOUS - However we found two guys in Minmatar AF's (Rifter?!?)
My mate jumped one of the guys and instantly got attacked by both AF's.
Then I started firing at the same guy as well and popped him.
The other AF escaped to the next solar system.
Man I was so happy about our successful raid! 
However when we warped to the other solar system 20 mins later the same two guys were at the Gate camping for us.
As soon as we decloaked from the jump both of them (the one we popped in an BS, the other one still in his AF) started to fire at us.
Last thing I've seen when we got into warp was the AF being popped by the GATE SENTRIES!!!! :)
We escaped to the next system and when we came back 5 mins later we found Battleship loot from the other Guy as well!
He must have tried to follow us into the next system with his criminal flagging :)
Of course we did some more raids - the last one has been on a Ferox whose driver logged off as soon as he lost his BC - we podded him because this was simply not fair of him.
Well I am writing all this because I am aware that I will be stuck to my Blasterax for the next 90 days.
And because when I drove the Thorax for the first time I almost had no chance against some Serpentis Guards.
In Additon also noobs can do some good raids when they somebody holds their hands especially when ransoming even bigger noobs! 
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Grimwalius d'Antan
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Posted - 2006.03.03 16:53:00 -
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I usually kill everything I see, because I always have a hard time finding targets that won't instadock or bring a superior blob on me, I have to make sure every opportunity to ease the blood lust counts. However, I sometimes refrain from killing newbies, not to be nice, but because it is absolutely worthless to sit around and wait for the criminal flagging to end for a kill that earned me nothing except eased the blood lust a little. This IS a game, it is not an alternate life or anything beyond a game. Speak of immersion and constructivity all you want, this is still just a game like everything else released under the definition of being a game. It is not YOUR ship that goes boom, it is not YOUR life that ends. It is just you losing a GAME session.
Telling everyone that "griefing" should be taken out of the game is basically like inventing your own set of rules for any other game, like saying "Lets play some C&C Generals, but remember that you're not allowed to build superweapons or attack the enemy before 15 minutes has passed, thats lame."
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Psycarne
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Posted - 2006.03.03 20:04:00 -
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I killed a Britux and a thorax at the same time once in a rifter 
You just look at thier corp history and think cannon fodder!
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