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GlimmerMan	Posted - 2006.03.02 00:33:00 - [31] Originally by: Naverin Retarded.. have to haul nitrogen 100+jumps just to fuel a dread.. give me a break >< I very much doubt you're 100 jumps out from anybody selling the ice you need. You don't have to mine it yourself. What do you do in real life when you fancy a ham sandwich, harvest your own crops, grind your own flour and then bake your own bread and then get your spear out and go hunting!? More than likely you use currency you earned elsewhere to buy bread from a baker and meat from a butcher (OK, more likely it all from a supermarket ). Eve works the same way: ISK can be exchanged for good and services. The only good* Minnie is a dead Minnie*
Ogrim Velothi	Posted - 2006.03.02 00:34:00 - [32] DAMMIT PEOPLE! I'm going to stop clicking on this thread after I post this. The Ice doesn't care what soverginity it lives in! The ice grows where there is a suitable habitat. So until we start using some kind of huge belt terraformaion project it makes no sense to have 2 different species of ice in the same system. Or one species in a system surrounded by a different species. Maybe i'm using too big of words or something...the ice just grows where it can and different conditions will produce different ice. If you were hiking in the woods, you wouldn't expect to get attacked by an alligator.
Telemicus Thrace	Posted - 2006.03.02 00:36:00 - [33] Originally by: jamesw Pay someone else to haul it for you? Signed. You beat it me to it. There are plenty of pilots out there happy to mine ice and haul it for a decent paycheck. Player run economies are great. Much better than getting the devs to change the game to make it easier for you. Taking a dread (or POS) out of the area of space it was designed to operate in means you need a supply line to your operational area. Or you can adapt and use equipment suited to the environment that you intend to operate in. There are pro's and con's either way. Right now I am negotiating a deal with an alliance to do exactly this. Mine ice locally to me and have it shipped out to their remote areas of operation. It frees them up to fight and is a nice little earner for my corp (or will be). Meanwhile we arn't mining enough to support our production lines so I buy ore and minerals from the local miners. I also do some import / export. Now I don't always have the time to haul large volumes (AFK or otherwise) so I fly around in a fast ship (Firetail 4TW) and do the deals then I set up courier jobs. By the next day all my goods are where I want them and I just need to put them on the market. I think the regionalisaion of resources is an excellent piece of game design by CCP. Instead of dumbing down Eve to make it easier for you how about promoting player interaction, striking some deals and getting the fuel delivered to you. I really get a kick when some miner I have never heard of drops by the bar to tell me he bought his first barge by selling minerals to me. Some of them get a kick out of it when I tell them how many Tempests we build in a week due to their work in the roid belts. "I cannot hear what you say for the thunder of what you are." - Zulu proverb.
Coconut Joe	Posted - 2006.03.02 00:36:00 - [34] Originally by: Ogrim Velothi DAMMIT PEOPLE! I'm going to stop clicking on this thread after I post this. The Ice doesn't care what soverginity it lives in! The ice grows where there is a suitable habitat. So until we start using some kind of huge belt terraformaion project it makes no sense to have 2 different species of ice in the same system. Or one species in a system surrounded by a different species. Maybe i'm using too big of words or something...the ice just grows where it can and different conditions will produce different ice. If you were hiking in the woods, you wouldn't expect to get attacked by an alligator. I would if it was the correct alligator.
Shayla Sh'inlux	Posted - 2006.03.02 00:41:00 - [35] signed As pointed out this would do NOTHING to the empire ice market or to trading contracts. It's the PoS'es that suck up such massive quantities of ice that's it totally pointless to mine it yourself in 0.0 when you could be PvP'ing or popping crokite. It prevents you to have to haul 45 jumps just to get a stupid dread fueled. Alternatively I would totally welcome the dread jump fuel to be changed to liquid ozone.
GlimmerMan	Posted - 2006.03.02 00:41:00 - [36] Originally by: Ogrim Velothi If you were hiking in the woods, you wouldn't expect to get attacked by an alligator. Someone hasn't watched episode 3x22 of the X-Files! You'd know differently if you had! The only good* Minnie is a dead Minnie*
jamesw	Posted - 2006.03.02 00:46:00 - [37] Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux have to haul 45 jumps just to get a stupid dread fueled. once again. you dont have to. you choose to. -- Latest Vid: Bobbing for Xelas
Agent Kenshin	Posted - 2006.03.02 00:56:00 - [38] Edited by: Agent Kenshin on 02/03/2006 00:56:20 Orginally jump drive fuel was supposed to be gathered by gas cloud mining. At least thats the orginal design for it. But CCP scraped that when they brought the capital ships in and we didnt have gas clouds, comets, and system wide roid belts, and because ice isotopes were the only other thing available at the time to use as a jump drive fuel. Originally by: MAXSuicide only carebears call pvpers 'greifers' ehehehh....
F'nog	Posted - 2006.03.02 01:00:00 - [39] Originally by: GlimmerMan ISK can be exchanged for good and services. ISK is more useful than a peanut! Originally by: Bl4zer But, cmon, this is the Eve forums, we don't let facts get in the way of pointless speculation.
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2006.03.02 01:12:00 - [40] Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 02/03/2006 01:15:07 Sure there could be some ores and ice more common but small pockets of the out of region stuff would be nice not to mention more realistic. Some regions being better at refining the stuff, even much better would make a whole lot more sense. Remind me about The Maze. I'm Danton Marcellus and I approve of this message.
Kunming	Posted - 2006.03.02 01:20:00 - [41] So I really wanna know, what fuel does the Correct DreadÖ use?! How about we put trit in 1 region, pyr in 1 region, zyd in another etc..? Those great traders and haulers of yours should carry everything across the universe, right? Hell no!! They all gonna get it to Jita and put it on market. I thought its is the resources we fighting over in 0.0, but apparently we have to buy the resources from empire to fight over 0.0, someone explain me that in detail pls and slowly I say YES for all racial ice in 0.0, or change dreads to use liquid ozone. Website Kaos Empire Killboard
Naverin	Posted - 2006.03.02 01:26:00 - [42] I would gladly pay a lovely sum for someone to bring isotopes down to Lx5 in the souther tip of Paragon.. Find me a pilot not in my alliance who is willing to do this for isk.. Ill gladly sit on crokite and bisto all day to pay for it.. fact of the matter is that there isnt anyone whos doing that.. Another fact of the matter is that in 0.0 its a free form game.. we can build any race outpost.. but we cant put up a different race POS because of Racial Fuels? that makes no sence.. So CCP what do ya say... 0.0 ice ore diversity.. ======================================================= I am the light in an empty hangar. I am the hope of survival. I am the Carebear I am the Walrus! Koo Koo Kachoo! ~kieron Nah, you just need a hairpiece - Wrangler
Telemicus Thrace	Posted - 2006.03.02 02:10:00 - [43] Edited by: Telemicus Thrace on 02/03/2006 02:13:52 Originally by: Naverin I would gladly pay a lovely sum for someone to bring isotopes down to Lx5 in the souther tip of Paragon.. Find me a pilot not in my alliance who is willing to do this for isk.. Ill gladly sit on crokite and bisto all day to pay for it.. fact of the matter is that there isnt anyone whos doing that.. Yeah there is, me for one. Ok, not isotopes at the moment, those are just pending price negotiations but I do supply runs to 0.0 for pilots I do not share an alliance with. I won't do it for you because I don't work for Amarr. Try asking around the Empire, cut a deal. Of course if you were paying them to deliver goods it might be considered good form to not shoot them at the border or prevent them from docking at your outposts / stations. That policy is probably why you don't see people doing this without prior negotiation. Originally by: Naverin Another fact of the matter is that in 0.0 its a free form game.. we can build any race outpost.. but we cant put up a different race POS because of Racial Fuels? that makes no sence.. So CCP what do ya say... 0.0 ice ore diversity.. Just because you can put up a Gallente POS in the Great Wildlands doesn't mean you have to or that it's a good idea (unless you have a good supply line.) If you don't use the tools for the job you will have difficulties. Regarding the post above yours about buying resources in Empire to fight in 0.0. You don't get ochre, crokite or arknor in empire, you can't deploy outposts in empire. Those are the resources and options you are fighting for in 0.0. If you want to deploy a POS or Outpost in a region you have the choice to either buy one built to use local fuel or you sort out your supply lines. If you want to take a dread into a distant region where it can't find fuel you need to support it with supply lines. Logistics and supply have been a cornerstone of military action and conquest throughout history. Dumbing this down removes a perfectly good strategic factor in Eve. "I cannot hear what you say for the thunder of what you are." - Zulu proverb.
Lisento Slaven	Posted - 2006.03.02 02:21:00 - [44] So why did you guys put up a station that operates on fuel that isn't available in your region? Is it because YOU WANTED COMPLETE CONTROL OVER IT? "I'm in charge so we're going to use stuff that MY skills warrant." Now everyone in your corp has to suffer because you wanted to use your own skills (or maybe you're complaining on behalf of your corp because of a stupid choice?). It's a strategy game! What compelled you to put up a station that you don't have sufficient fuel sources for? If you need corn to survive don't go to alaska. Go to indiana...it's all there is there. And if you still choose to go to Alaska when you need corn, then pay the price.
Somatic Neuron	Posted - 2006.03.02 02:39:00 - [45] the different races use the different types of ice for their items, because that is what was available, not the other way around. Now, granted, 0.0 shouldn't necessarily follow those same rules, but then, the ore distribution rules wouldn't make sense either. ----------
Naverin	Posted - 2006.03.02 02:40:00 - [46] Quote: Now everyone in your corp has to suffer because you wanted to use your own skills (or maybe you're complaining on behalf of your corp because of a stupid choice?). Sorry.. I didnt use the "Correct Dread".. My bad :/ ======================================================= I am the light in an empty hangar. I am the hope of survival. I am the Carebear I am the Walrus! Koo Koo Kachoo! ~kieron Nah, you just need a hairpiece - Wrangler
Lienzo	Posted - 2006.03.02 02:47:00 - [47] If you're trying to own a dread before acquiring a freighter, you're doing something wrong. POS too for that matter.
xeom	Posted - 2006.03.02 03:10:00 - [48] Clearly you need a frieghter too before you can get the 'Correct dread'. /sign for all ices in 0.0 ---------------------- O Snapz!
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2006.03.02 03:32:00 - [49] If you can't stomach the logistics of using Dreadnaughts, why are you using them? Better yet, why should the game be altered to benefit those who can't handle it? Purchasing Complex Fullerene Shards, contact me ingame.
Kryptic1	Posted - 2006.03.02 03:34:00 - [50] Next step is giving all rats loot from different races, i.e. missiles from serpentis, etc. Then we can mix up rat types in belts, 1 serp BS and 1 angel BS with guristas cruisers and rogue drone inties. Then we can seed all races BPOs in every region, mix up the models for certain gates and stations, and so on until location has no more meaning at all
Khaotic	Posted - 2006.03.02 04:32:00 - [51] Too bad we dont have a "Hall of Fame/Shame" category to save these threads. Using "The correct dread" suggestion is one of the dumbest I can remember. Kudos to you sir, for suggesting it.
Naverin	Posted - 2006.03.02 05:03:00 - [52] I have begun my quest for the Correct DreadÖ... The saga continues.. ======================================================= I am the light in an empty hangar. I am the hope of survival. I am the Carebear I am the Walrus! Koo Koo Kachoo! ~kieron Nah, you just need a hairpiece - Wrangler
Adjodlo	Posted - 2006.03.02 06:14:00 - [53] Originally by: Naverin I have begun my quest for the Correct DreadÖ... The saga continues.. Don't forget to get the Correct FreighterÖ first.
ToxicFire	Posted - 2006.03.02 06:32:00 - [54] Edited by: ToxicFire on 02/03/2006 06:34:02 I'll settle this having done ore map I seen plain and clear why ice's are set out how they are.. frankly cus your whinin bout not been able to get the right ice for your dread is pointless it shows that you just trained for a dread based on stats alone not thinking about where you are what resources would be available. Oh and the ices aren't actually racial there pirate related. So your argument about 0.0 not been empire falls flat on its face. Plus ice is created by natural phenomina if you stick to the ingame thinking, so its a certain set of phenomina that produce the unique variations in ice thats gurista's based or serpentis based. Simply people are gettin lazy the game isn't about hanging the resources to you on a plate, its about having to go get what you want when you want and if that means huge ammount of jumps or fighting through gate camps then thats what you have to do. That or use your brain and think right im in a gurista's region i better not buy stuff that requires blood/sansah ice.
Admiral IceBlock	Posted - 2006.03.02 06:38:00 - [55] well tbh something has to be changed, ccp should reintroduce gas clouds as dread fuel, ice wont cut it. i dont get why 0,0 pilots have to be dependent on empire when it comes to things like this, its stupid and does not really give an inititative to build a "real" 0,0 empire when you have to go to empire anyway... "We brake for nobody"
Redan Chulipa	Posted - 2006.03.02 07:19:00 - [56] Edited by: Redan Chulipa on 02/03/2006 07:21:01 Just maybe the next tier of jumpdrives will have a very different fuel which takes the ships farther...
Wrayeth	Posted - 2006.03.02 08:17:00 - [57] Originally by: Kunming So I really wanna know, what fuel does the Correct DreadÖ use?! How about we put trit in 1 region, pyr in 1 region, zyd in another etc..? Those great traders and haulers of yours should carry everything across the universe, right? Hell no!! They all gonna get it to Jita and put it on market. I thought its is the resources we fighting over in 0.0, but apparently we have to buy the resources from empire to fight over 0.0, someone explain me that in detail pls and slowly I say YES for all racial ice in 0.0, or change dreads to use liquid ozone. QFT. This is exactly what I was going to to be posting after I read the first page. I'm glad someone already beat me to it, since it saves me the work of trying to organize my thoughts in a manner that other people can understand. lol Anyway, /signed for having all types of ice belts in all 0.0 regions. -Wrayeth
ToxicFire	Posted - 2006.03.02 08:52:00 - [58] Originally by: Admiral IceBlock well tbh something has to be changed, ccp should reintroduce gas clouds as dread fuel, ice wont cut it. i dont get why 0,0 pilots have to be dependent on empire when it comes to things like this, its stupid and does not really give an inititative to build a "real" 0,0 empire when you have to go to empire anyway... Think u've got confused there there isn't a reliance on empire for ice its just that it appears that there there are ices which are unique to the four main races and those ices appear in various regions, there is a empire and a 0.0 version of each racial ice with the 0.0 one giving better yeild. appart from that all ice products (excluding the racial isotope) can be found in every ice roid there is in varying quantities with dark glitter been the best overall provider of these.
ToxicFire	Posted - 2006.03.02 08:57:00 - [59] Edited by: ToxicFire on 02/03/2006 08:58:13 Originally by: Wrayeth Originally by: Kunming So I really wanna know, what fuel does the Correct DreadÖ use?! How about we put trit in 1 region, pyr in 1 region, zyd in another etc..? Those great traders and haulers of yours should carry everything across the universe, right? Hell no!! They all gonna get it to Jita and put it on market. I thought its is the resources we fighting over in 0.0, but apparently we have to buy the resources from empire to fight over 0.0, someone explain me that in detail pls and slowly I say YES for all racial ice in 0.0, or change dreads to use liquid ozone. QFT. This is exactly what I was going to to be posting after I read the first page. I'm glad someone already beat me to it, since it saves me the work of trying to organize my thoughts in a manner that other people can understand. lol Anyway, /signed for having all types of ice belts in all 0.0 regions. This is gettin to the point its moronic, the point is that 0.0 resources aren't sposed to be everywhere so you have to go fight to get them. YOU DON'T HAVE to goto empire to buy them if you don't want to just don't use ships/pos's that require that ice and its products. This entire thread is about a couple of guys whineing about the fact they've trained for the wrong type of dread for the region there in. Not wether ice is balanced or where they should be in 0.0 just some lazy guy that can be bothered to fight for a resource. How about we just move arknor and mercoxit into jita and leave it at that. And tbh I havent seen a major 0.0 alliance in support of this idea yet. Heck even BoB appears to be against it, and there the people likely to be in the know.
Hohenheim OfLight	Posted - 2006.03.02 09:23:00 - [60] Originally by: Kunming So I really wanna know, what fuel does the Correct DreadÖ use?! Is use's teh sole's of the [23] to directley power it. ---------------------------------------------- This signature is 400x120 pixels and 23.257 bytes. Happy now?

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