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pazariel fataulpetrol
xasapotaverna
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Posted - 2013.12.03 08:35:00 -
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at start good morning all...i want to share my little experience so far (1 month and 8 days) with other new players around here who might have problems with that too.
Now about my topic, i laugh to death when i see people 4-5 years of playing to try to ninja loot-salvage a wreck while i run my lv 4 missions at high sec and for sure i feel pity for them  .
the trick is to not allow a poor ninja-thief to even try to lock a wreck of yours... how is possible?
simple like this... jump in the mission beacon, check the npc groups locations (a quick look at survival site before really helps),
align your ship's position to be in fire range at all groups and consider the move of npc's to surelly pass as approaching you through the mission's beacon as close as possible ,make the 100 km jump stop your ship, deploy the mobile tractor and start the massacre...
eventually when a ninja scan you and warp to you, he will land in the beacon and if you did all the previous things right he will be in the middle of a minefield, resulting 90% of the times to try to warp out asap .
now as we speak ninja guys-gals if after 5 years of game you continue to be poor thief and leave in high sec trying to loot 500-600k from a wreck maybe this game isnt good for you...try wow or aion.
p.s. the moment you see the thief land in your mission lock him and wait ,if he got aggroed the npc's and still try to loot a wreck and turn yellow is very nice to snipe him to pieces... |
Donbe Scurred
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.03 08:45:00 -
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mind = blown  |
pazariel fataulpetrol
xasapotaverna
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Posted - 2013.12.03 08:47:00 -
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as i read it again it seems as a flame thread ...buy it isnt. its a working solution (works perfect for me) for new players like me |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
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Posted - 2013.12.03 09:14:00 -
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Maybe...the thief is just after the limited engagement flag you get from shooting him.
No offense, he could just reship in a proper PvP ship and kill your nice little mission ship because you shot his cheap as **** ninja looter.
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pazariel fataulpetrol
xasapotaverna
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Posted - 2013.12.03 09:23:00 -
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he-she gain kill rights if kill him-her while stealing from you? |
Old Phill
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.12.03 09:35:00 -
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pazariel fataulpetrol wrote:at start good morning all...i want to share my little experience so far (1 month and 8 days) with other new players around here who might have problems with that too. Now about my topic, i laugh to death when i see people 4-5 years of playing to try to ninja loot-salvage a wreck while i run my lv 4 missions at high sec and for sure i feel pity for them . the trick is to not allow a poor ninja-thief to even try to lock a wreck of yours... how is possible? simple like this... jump in the mission beacon, check the npc groups locations (a quick look at survival site before really helps), align your ship's position to be in fire range at all groups and consider the move of npc's to surelly pass as approaching you through the mission's beacon as close as possible ,make the 100 km jump stop your ship, deploy the mobile tractor and start the massacre... eventually when a ninja scan you and warp to you, he will land in the beacon and if you did all the previous things right he will be in the middle of a minefield, resulting 90% of the times to try to warp out asap . now as we speak ninja guys-gals if after 5 years of game you continue to be poor thief and leave in high sec trying to loot 500-600k from a wreck maybe this game isnt good for you...try wow or aion. p.s. the moment you see the thief land in your mission lock him and wait ,if he got aggroed the npc's and still try to loot a wreck and turn yellow is very nice to snipe him to pieces...
when one doesnt need or want more money what do you do have fun and that easily means trolling missioners amazing how many are dumb enough to try punish you for your petty crimes and they end up regretting it |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
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Posted - 2013.12.03 09:40:00 -
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pazariel fataulpetrol wrote:he-she gain kill rights if kill him-her while stealing from you?
Not kill rights. Kill rights are something totally different.
They gain a limited engagement flag on you for the next 15 minutes.
So next time, take that info into account and dont be surprised when suddenly you find yourself without a mission ship because you got baited into getting a flag hat made you a valid target for them.
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J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
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Posted - 2013.12.03 09:42:00 -
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Old Phill wrote:pazariel fataulpetrol wrote:at start good morning all...i want to share my little experience so far (1 month and 8 days) with other new players around here who might have problems with that too. Now about my topic, i laugh to death when i see people 4-5 years of playing to try to ninja loot-salvage a wreck while i run my lv 4 missions at high sec and for sure i feel pity for them . the trick is to not allow a poor ninja-thief to even try to lock a wreck of yours... how is possible? simple like this... jump in the mission beacon, check the npc groups locations (a quick look at survival site before really helps), align your ship's position to be in fire range at all groups and consider the move of npc's to surelly pass as approaching you through the mission's beacon as close as possible ,make the 100 km jump stop your ship, deploy the mobile tractor and start the massacre... eventually when a ninja scan you and warp to you, he will land in the beacon and if you did all the previous things right he will be in the middle of a minefield, resulting 90% of the times to try to warp out asap . now as we speak ninja guys-gals if after 5 years of game you continue to be poor thief and leave in high sec trying to loot 500-600k from a wreck maybe this game isnt good for you...try wow or aion. p.s. the moment you see the thief land in your mission lock him and wait ,if he got aggroed the npc's and still try to loot a wreck and turn yellow is very nice to snipe him to pieces... when one doesnt need or want more money what do you do have fun and that easily means trolling missioners amazing how many are dumb enough to try punish you for your petty crimes and they end up regretting it
This reply.
Your OP makes it look like you think ISK amounts and ISK/hour income are important.
They arent, the important thing is to have something called fun while playing.
If harassing a mission runner is fun for you...do that.
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pazariel fataulpetrol
xasapotaverna
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Posted - 2013.12.03 09:49:00 -
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so whats the problem if you actually managed to kill him while he steals from you, scoop the mobile unit ,loot cargo and dock to a station for 15 minutes?
prepare a drink and smoke a bit with the PLEASURE that you killed a 5 years old char...?
i bet the feeling will be in my memory for too long |
Darth Destroyer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.12.03 09:59:00 -
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I play for a long time now, but never tried to ninja-loot / scan a missioner, but I think I'll do that some day, just for fun, to try it.
You are new, so your main goal to make money, but when you are older, goals will tend to change to try new things, have fun, etc. I think that's why you see some oldies doing that. Or maybe they are new, just bought the character.
I don't feel any pity to anyone playing this game. This is a universe where you can do what you like. |
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J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
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Posted - 2013.12.03 10:03:00 -
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pazariel fataulpetrol wrote:so whats the problem if you actually managed to kill him while he steals from you, scoop the mobile unit ,loot cargo and dock to a station for 15 minutes? prepare a drink and smoke a bit with the PLEASURE that you killed a 5 years old char...? i bet the feeling will be in my memory for too long
Well.
That guy lost a couple of mil ship for the price of you not being able to really play for 15 minutes.
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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
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Posted - 2013.12.03 10:17:00 -
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pazariel fataulpetrol wrote:he-she gain kill rights if kill him-her while stealing from you?
Taking loot is theft, taking salvage is not. Loot is owned, but salvage is considered trash. Just as IRL what is in your trash can outside your home is considered unowned, someone else that wants to jump inside and take some aluminum cans to sell for a pittance can do so with no legal recourse beyond trespassing.
A lot of ninja salvagers then get their fun from the tears from players that don't understand this game mechanic. Personally, I don't think I've ever been ninja'd in missions, mostly because I don't mission in the main mission hubs.
Basically, there are a lot of different ways to choose what stations to mission for, most people prefer to mission in systems with multiple stations of the same corp. Or if not in the same system, then one jump off. That way if you have to decline a mission you can just jump to a different station and not have to worry about the 4 hour timer so much. These systems tend to be full of mission runners and a natural magnet for ninja salvagers.
So while you are running to station waiting for the 15 minute timer to run down, the other player is just scanning down someone else and you're not slowing them down at all.
If you don't like being ninjad. The best strategy is to choose a different corp and mission elsewhere. Salvage isn't worth that much anymore, so someone has to be poor to obsess over it now.
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Bastion Arzi
Dat Tax
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Posted - 2013.12.03 10:54:00 -
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Keep a small fast pvp ship at your mission station.
Bookmark the rooms for the mission where the ninja turns up.
Reship
Go back to mission
Kill looter
Profit |
Keno Skir
Vectis Covert Solutions
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Posted - 2013.12.03 12:37:00 -
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Old Phill wrote:when one doesnt need or want more money what do you do have fun and that easily means trolling missioners amazing how many are dumb enough to try punish you for your petty crimes and they end up regretting it
Punctuation is nice. <-- thats a Full Stop ,,,,, <- those are comas ;)
The Ninja Looter is more than likely trying to bait you into shooting him so he can eat your battleship with his frigate, that's what i'd be doing anyway. Unless ur running a mission with good loot then i'd be near as happy with 25mil in tags as i would with your death.
Either way your best bet often is to shoot every wreck on grid and just stop shooting anything else until he leaves. Eventually the looter will get bored and more importantly will likely not bother scanning your ship down next time.
Alternatively get into a pvp channel and ask if anyone wants to kill your looter.
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Haedonism Bot
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2013.12.03 12:51:00 -
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pazariel fataulpetrol wrote:so whats the problem if you actually managed to kill him while he steals from you, scoop the mobile unit ,loot cargo and dock to a station for 15 minutes? prepare a drink and smoke a bit with the PLEASURE that you killed a 5 years old char...? i bet the feeling will be in my memory for too long
This sounds to me like an excellent plan, I suggest you put it in practice.
I have seen a little bit of misinformation in this thread, so allow me to clear things up. First, almost nobody ninja salvages anymore, because T1 salvage is worth little to nothing. Nevertheless, mission invasion is rampant in the major hubs. The objective for some is to steal the loot, either by looting wrecks or killing mobile tractor units. Many ninjas just leave it at this. They will be suspect flagged when they land in your mission, or soon after, and so they are valid targets. They count on the fact that the average MR is too cowardly a beast to actually try anything, and they will run away if aggressed.
The other sort of ninja is looking to provoke the MR to shoot, and when you do so, he will kill you. When you shoot at him, he gets a 5 minute, not 15 minute (grrr Crimewatch) limited engagement flag, during which he can legally engage you. There are all sorts of evil tricks the well prepared ninja can use to make the most of this, and the end result will certainly be the MR paying a ransom or losing his fancy battleship to a T1 frigate or cruiser.
People who are good at this make literally billions of isk per day at it, and have way more fun than people shooting red crosses, so don't pity the ninja.
Oh, and if you are running level 4s, you don't qualify as a new player, so don't expect the ninja to pity you, either.
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Cara Forelli
Darkstorm Corporation
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Posted - 2013.12.03 14:28:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:That guy lost a couple of mil ship for the price of you not being able to really play for 15 minutes.
This usually mean the guy wins as he is preventing the mission runner to play the game as he likes to play it.
But I do admire how you developed a tactic about it. It shows that you are not the typical mindless mission runner.
Don't discourage him. He's clearly having fun outsmarting people. And we all know what that means!
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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2013.12.03 15:09:00 -
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pazariel fataulpetrol wrote:p.s. the moment you see the thief land in your mission lock him and wait ,if he got aggroed the npc's and still try to loot a wreck and turn yellow is very nice to snipe him to pieces...
If you fire on him, he's allowed to fire back for the next 15 minutes (limited engagement timer). While a spot of PvP to interrupt the dullness of PvE may sound fun, it may end up costing you time or your mission ship, so... take care.
Anyway, good job outsmarting ninjas! It's good to see people using game mechanics and taking initiative to solve their own problems in a new way.
The OP is bordering flaming/trolling, but it does have real content as well, and the thread so far is fine. I will be keeping an eye out, though; please keep stuff polite and constructive.
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
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Posted - 2013.12.03 15:15:00 -
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pazariel fataulpetrol wrote:morning all ... I want to use my experience to date (1 month and 8 days) with other new players here that problems can take part.
Now for me, I was laughing to death when I see people playing 4-5 years to try to loot ninjas - the recovery of the remains, as I save my lv 4 missions in high sec and I feel sorry for them smiling.
the trick is not a bad ninja thief to allow yourself to try to ruin your block ... How is this possible?
It's as simple as that ... jump in the mission labels are groups of cities in the APN (take a look at the website of survival before really helps)
the position of the vessel on fire all groups to adapt and switch surelly NPC movement mission as close as possible to 100 km from its flagship jump ship to bring movement to implement tractor and start the carnage. ..
finally a ninja when scanning and channel for the country on the label and if you have mostly good things done pervert the middle of a minefield that causes 90% of the time, try to fast as possible, his big smile.
We talk about Ninja Kids - when girls play after 5 years, a large poor thief stay dry and stop trying to plunder 500 - 600k a wreck maybe this game is not good for you. .. try WoW or Aion.
PS If you block the thief of the country in their mission and wait as Aggroed NPC and try to have an accident and the yellow of the prey is always nice to see Snip apart .. .
Tried to Google Translate... didn't help.
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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2013.12.03 15:18:00 -
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Deleted a trolling post.
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J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
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Posted - 2013.12.03 15:34:00 -
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Cara Forelli wrote:J'Poll wrote:That guy lost a couple of mil ship for the price of you not being able to really play for 15 minutes.
This usually mean the guy wins as he is preventing the mission runner to play the game as he likes to play it.
But I do admire how you developed a tactic about it. It shows that you are not the typical mindless mission runner. Don't discourage him. He's clearly having fun outsmarting people. And we all know what that means!
I dont discourage him, Im just warning him of the results of his actions and prevent a whine thread and discouraged to keep playing after said 'salvage' frigate killed his BS.
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pazariel fataulpetrol
xasapotaverna
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Posted - 2013.12.03 17:21:00 -
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first of all i choose to sub in this game for its huge depth and all the options that offer to players...
thats why i kept looking for about 13 days at sites,videos,infos...anything that will help me understand the game before i buy it.
thats my method IRL and i follow it at games that i choose to play too.
a. im not trying to outsmart anyone here ... thats for sure
b. loosing a ship is part of the game ,at pvp or pve too....so no whine for sure again
c. thats the way i play all games till now, i'm trying to find the best "solutions" for me to ensure my success and my fun.
d. and one more thing... as a new player i dont have the experience , neither the skills, to be as effective as i want to, but this doesnt mean that i wont try to reach at the point that i will choose no matter what...
p.s. let this 'salvage' frigate try to penetrate my Pithum A-Type Medium Shield
anyway good game to all and cya in space |
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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2013.12.03 17:27:00 -
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pazariel fataulpetrol wrote:p.s. let this 'salvage' frigate try to penetrate my Pithum A-Type Medium Shield
See, now, those are fighting words. I'm not sure what ship you're actually sporting, but I can count at least 3-4 different ships/approaches I'd take. More if I ended up in a wardec or other situation where I am not solo. Unfortunately I can't actually do that or CCP would have my neck, but someone else might. Take care. 
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Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
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Posted - 2013.12.03 17:39:00 -
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pazariel fataulpetrol wrote:p.s. let this 'salvage' frigate try to penetrate my Pithum A-Type Medium Shield
You shoot at loot thieves and have just announced to the world that you fit a 3/4 billion ISK shield mod to your mission ship?
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
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Posted - 2013.12.03 17:39:00 -
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pazariel fataulpetrol wrote:p.s. let this 'salvage' frigate try to penetrate my Pithum A-Type Medium Shield anyway good game to all and cya in space
Blinged and asking for it?
Well... good luck with that
Quote:You shoot at loot thieves and have just announced to the world that you fit a 3/4 billion ISK shield mod to your mission ship? Shocked
Locator agents running in 5..4..3......
I have no idea what this person is talking about. Ignore him/her.  
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2013.12.03 18:22:00 -
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I feel pity for ninja looters-salvagers... I abandon all wrecks and let them take whatever they want.
I've even sent some of them ISK. |
Keno Skir
Vectis Covert Solutions
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Posted - 2013.12.03 18:58:00 -
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pazariel fataulpetrol wrote:let this 'salvage' frigate try to penetrate my Pithum A-Type Medium Shield
Just name the time and place bud o/
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Posted - 2013.12.03 19:22:00 -
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This is why the Orca nerfs and Crimewatch were a mistake and I haven't played since 2012. |
Haedonism Bot
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2013.12.03 19:23:00 -
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pazariel fataulpetrol wrote:p.s. let this 'salvage' frigate try to penetrate my Pithum A-Type Medium Shield anyway good game to all and cya in space
ISD LackOfFaith, please move this thread to C&P or General Discussion so we can troll this nub properly.
Can't you see that he's begging for it?
OP, if you aren't just trolling us, I think you may be surprised what some of those "salvage frigates" can do. If you don't believe it, then by all means, shoot the ninja and find out. For science, maybe?
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Cara Forelli
Darkstorm Corporation
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Posted - 2013.12.03 20:18:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:Cara Forelli wrote:J'Poll wrote:That guy lost a couple of mil ship for the price of you not being able to really play for 15 minutes.
This usually mean the guy wins as he is preventing the mission runner to play the game as he likes to play it.
But I do admire how you developed a tactic about it. It shows that you are not the typical mindless mission runner. Don't discourage him. He's clearly having fun outsmarting people. And we all know what that means! I dont discourage him, Im just warning him of the results of his actions and prevent a whine thread and discouraged to keep playing after said 'salvage' frigate killed his BS.
Well on second thought, I believe you are right. He may have a bit to learn about what happens when you shoot the flashies. But good job OP for putting some thought in and coming up with a system to discourage them from trying.
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J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
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Posted - 2013.12.03 21:47:00 -
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pazariel fataulpetrol wrote:p.s. let this 'salvage' frigate try to penetrate my Pithum A-Type Medium Shield anyway good game to all and cya in space
Typical speak of a clueless mission runner
That module is no match if someone comes under your guns / outruns your missiles and just wears you down / call in friends.
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