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Koban Agalder
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Posted - 2013.12.04 13:08:00 -
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Kel hound wrote:CCP Rise wrote:We can certainly discuss this amount vs range thing. Can you guys help me out saying specifically in relation to it:
Do you feel you need added range to be able to run PVE content, or just to PVP, or both? Are you asking for bonus to amount AND bonus to range or bonus to range INSTEAD of amount?
Not sure when it gets to sisi but there will be plenty of time before release to play with it.
As a logi/carrier pilot heres how I general view it; range bonus typically means dedicated logistics ship. You're able to maintain distance and use that distance to keep yourself alive and others alive. In PvE and PvP this tends to be true. The range bonus allows other ships to detach from the main body while still remaining within rep-range. An amount bonus is something I typically would associate with a more generalised ship. It brings to mind spider gangs and logistic T3 setups. It is a bonus more useful to a ship that does not need to detach from the main body or whose strategy will consist if balling up with similarly fit ships. Personally, I would take the Nestor as is, it would make a good replacement for RR domi gangs, especially in wormholes (low mass, hell yes) where it could be useful in both pvp and pve. Its placement as an exploration battleship seems to fit well with the repair amount bonus rather than a range bonus. My only complaint would be that the repair bonus does not seem to apply to energy transfers which in my opinion is a bit of a shame. RR battleship gangs are pretty much going to need energy transfers in order to be cap stable with their remote repairers and extending the bonus to energy transfers as well as repair modules would have allowed for a more interesting fit. It's nice untill someone brings 2 guardians and smartbombing BS (plus 2 tackle). Then your tiny/shiny fleet of spider tanking 2B battleships will be very, very quickly dead.
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Koban Agalder
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Posted - 2013.12.04 13:45:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:Hi hi
I haven't been in the office today so sorry for the break in communication. I'm still not in actually, so I don't have time to go into tons of depth here but I wanted to address a few of the trends I see so far in the feedback.
First, I think we should get some kind of range bonus on the reps. 100% sounds about right, but we need to talk about this as a team before anything gets committed to. I'll get back to you once we can figure out where to go.
Second, It's really not getting a covert cloak . This is an extremely powerful capability and it's possible that it should stay off limits for battleships completely. On top of that, if there was going to be a covert battleship, black ops is where we need to start. We will be looking at them for a balance pass eventually, they are one of the remaining classes that haven't gotten their tiericide pass yet, and we can approach this topic when that happens.
Last, I'm seeing some complaints or concerns that it feels kind of all over the place. This is definitely intentional. In the posts for the Stratios and Astero I think I mentioned that one of the designs we are trying to emulate is the Gnosis. Ships capable of doing many things but being the absolute best for few. The hacking and probing bonuses are a good example of that here. We didn't choose them over something else that would make the ship a powerful fighter, we just included them to give the ship more options.
I'll be back in the office tomorrow and I'll catch up on the thread fully and try to cover anything big that I missed here. You srsly want someone to run data/hacking/ghost sites in BS worth 1.5B o0? In HS it may be doable but not in low/null/WH... Those bonuses are wasted on BS hull. James Arget for CSM 8!-áhttp://csm.fcftw.org-á |

Koban Agalder
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Posted - 2013.12.05 15:02:00 -
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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:Mr Pragmatic wrote:Seriously 1,000,000 LP? How long will that take to earn? A while- because most pirate battleships aren't available in high-sec. Other pirate battleship are available as a drop. There is no drop of SOE ships (unless you blow up other capsullers:P) James Arget for CSM 8!-áhttp://csm.fcftw.org-á |

Koban Agalder
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Posted - 2013.12.05 15:18:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:marVLs wrote:So in next few hours Rise wil give us some silly arguments about not leting go scaning/data bonuses... great, rebalancing ships with adding another broken, the same and useless hull. I don't really understand the argument for having getting rid of these. If they are gone, they wouldn't be replaced with something else. They are there because it keeps theme with the other two Sisters ships, and it will likely get used by at least some people for the occasional ghost site or finding sites or for future content that uses hacking. So now you started design ships with "occasional bonuses" being used by "some people" ?o0
Going this way you should add special cargo bay for noobships to allow them carry more plexes inisde it (only becouse some people occasionally do that).
Srsly creating 2b BS and basing on free given BC (gnosis) which is used only as "hilarious" ships or "big noobship" is kinda of crazy idea.
Astero and Striatos were new and inspiring. The Nestor is not. James Arget for CSM 8!-áhttp://csm.fcftw.org-á |

Koban Agalder
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Posted - 2013.12.05 15:24:00 -
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@CCP Rise
If you want to make it "logistic" ship and trying to be unique why not give big bonuses for use of LOGISTIC DRONES (bigger than traditional logi gets)? This way it's unique, it doesn't interefere directly with existing logistics and keep repping power. If it want to gank someone it launches garde/ogres. If it want to save someone it launches logistic drones (shield or armor). Imho it would go well with humanitarian aspect os SOE so ships can save and defend itself.
This way it might, MIGHT, MIGHT be possible to allow it to launch up to 10 medium drones (but this idea is very risky and need deep consideration).
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Koban Agalder
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Posted - 2013.12.06 11:37:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:this seem to be made specially for certain worm hole people, how much they paid for this desing? Most WH people consider this ship as giant shiny pinata. In it's current state it's nothing usefull for WH... (armageddon, bhaalgorn, typhoon, scorpion are much more usefull and much cheaper than this ship). James Arget for CSM 8!-áhttp://csm.fcftw.org-á |
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