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Voin
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Posted - 2006.03.03 02:05:00 -
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details in that thread:
~Known Issues & Workarounds
~Am I the only person who can't log in?
We cann't to log in either.
Also u own to me 8 hour's of skill training cause of that fricking unable to connection i couldn't change it in time!
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.03 02:07:00 -
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I can log in just fine, so it seems like its just you.
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Tekka
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Posted - 2006.03.03 02:10:00 -
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Edited by: Tekka on 03/03/2006 02:10:47
CCP owes you NOTHING.
Your fault you didnt set a LONG skill
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JamesTalon
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Posted - 2006.03.03 02:12:00 -
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Your fault for not setting a long skill train, like they have always suggested before patchs/upgrades/updates of any kind. I can log in just fine on both accounts, and so cna near 20K other people.
In advance though, can I have your stuff?
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Ruffio Sepico
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Posted - 2006.03.03 02:15:00 -
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 Originally by: Voin
details in that thread:
~Known Issues & Workarounds
~Am I the only person who can't log in?
We cann't to log in either.
Also u own to me 8 hour's of skill training cause of that fricking unable to connection i couldn't change it in time!
They dont own you anything. Before patch's you set training of skills with long training time. Not doing so is your fault, not CCP's. And extended downtime for patching and updates is just to get used to.
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Voin
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Posted - 2006.03.03 02:16:00 -
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Originally by: Tekka
Edited by: Tekka on 03/03/2006 02:10:47
CCP owes you NOTHING.
Your fault you didnt set a LONG skill
1-st off i set 5hours longer CCP pointed time for DT.
2-d not only me cann't to log in game till now, insteand other peoples already on long time ago...
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.03 02:17:00 -
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Originally by: Voin
Originally by: Tekka
CCP owes you NOTHING.
Your fault you didnt set a LONG skill
1-st off i set 5hours longer CCP pointed time for DT.
Have you ever experienced a patch day before? Did you notice the "guide to patch days" posted that describes the fact that patch days never go as planned?
Originally by: Voin
2-d not only me cann't to log in game till now, insteand other peoples already on long time ago...
I don't know of anyone else who can't log in. As everyone I know can log in, this sounds as if it is your fault. Tried clearing your cache?
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Voin
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Posted - 2006.03.03 02:19:00 -
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If u don't believe me, go ahead and check that thread:
unable to connect
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Voin
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Posted - 2006.03.03 02:23:00 -
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I don't know of anyone else who can't log in. As everyone I know can log in, this sounds as if it is your fault. Tried clearing your cache?
U don't need to know, this is a fact! And i already Uninstalled game off my comp, and installed client 3796, after i installed the patch 3796-3805, and after i doenlowaded another patc 3805-3976. (till that i had v.3807 on my comp and downloaded the patch 3807-3976).
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.03 02:24:00 -
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Originally by: Voin
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I don't know of anyone else who can't log in. As everyone I know can log in, this sounds as if it is your fault. Tried clearing your cache?
U don't need to know, this is a fact! And i already Uninstalled game off my comp, and installed client 3796, after i installed the patch 3796-3805, and after i doenlowaded another patc 3805-3976. (till that i had v.3807 on my comp and downloaded the patch 3807-3976).
Tried a traceroute?
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Voin
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Posted - 2006.03.03 02:28:00 -
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Tried a traceroute?
More details? I dunno what r u talking about.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.03 02:30:00 -
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Originally by: Voin
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Tried a traceroute?
More details? I dunno what r u talking about.
Traceroute...
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Voin
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Posted - 2006.03.03 02:51:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Voin
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Tried a traceroute?
More details? I dunno what r u talking about.
Traceroute...
Do you know what i have to type in RUN window in XP? to bring up that Command Prompt? ipconfig doesn't work.
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Dyvim Slorm
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Posted - 2006.03.03 03:02:00 -
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Originally by: Voin
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Voin
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Tried a traceroute?
More details? I dunno what r u talking about.
Traceroute...
Do you know what i have to type in RUN window in XP? to bring up that Command Prompt? ipconfig doesn't work.
Start>Programs>Accessories>Command Prompt will bring up a window to type commands in.
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Coasterbrian
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Posted - 2006.03.03 03:03:00 -
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Go Start -> Run -> cmd in windows 2000/XP, command in windows 9x -> tracert xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx (ip of the eve server, don't know it off the top of my head).
Of course, if you don't know what tracert is, then you probably don't stand to gain much from doing it if you can't interpret the results.....
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Hector Rives
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Posted - 2006.03.03 03:05:00 -
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Cant login either 
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Tripp Orsam
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Posted - 2006.03.03 05:11:00 -
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To those that like to demand free days when they cant log in, may I remind you that CCP has not charged you a single penny for any of the expansions they have released, if this was any other company you would be around (insert the typical cost of 2 or 3 pc game expansions here) poorer.
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JamesTalon
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Posted - 2006.03.03 05:15:00 -
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Originally by: Tripp Orsam
To those that like to demand free days when they cant log in, may I remind you that CCP has not charged you a single penny for any of the expansions they have released, if this was any other company you would be around (insert the typical cost of 2 or 3 pc game expansions here) poorer.
And instead, your out less than a dollar, or equivelant in the currency you use
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Forumite
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Posted - 2006.03.03 05:32:00 -
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Originally by: Voin
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Tried a traceroute?
More details? I dunno what r u talking about.
Yikes! The internet should come with an instruction manual... or at least some equivalent of a "Driver's Safety" course for the web.
Ignorance is no excuse. Educate yourself in the ways of the vast communication web you use daily.
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Copine Callmeknau
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Posted - 2006.03.03 05:34:00 -
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Idara
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Posted - 2006.03.03 05:40:00 -
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GAH!
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Kel Shek
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Posted - 2006.03.03 05:45:00 -
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when they say "set a long skill" they MEAN set a long skill. like something that takes several days. or at least a full day.
you'll never regret training something longer than you needed to.
and if you didn't know... you CAN cancel or switch skills without losing any progress on that skill.
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Naleb Cilani
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Posted - 2006.03.03 05:57:00 -
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Originally by: Voin
u own me
Correct. CCP does indeed "own" you.
Quoted text edited for clarity.
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Daikatana00
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Posted - 2006.03.03 06:07:00 -
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Originally by: Forumite
Yikes! The internet should come with an instruction manual... or at least some equivalent of a "Driver's Safety" course for the web.
Ignorance is no excuse. Educate yourself in the ways of the vast communication web you use daily.
kthnx
Instruction manual for the internet can be found HERE...its kinda a long read though
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Sharp82
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Posted - 2006.03.03 06:07:00 -
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Edited by: Sharp82 on 03/03/2006 06:08:23
Originally by: Tripp Orsam
To those that like to demand free days when they cant log in, may I remind you that CCP has not charged you a single penny for any of the expansions they have released, if this was any other company you would be around (insert the typical cost of 2 or 3 pc game expansions here) poorer.
Exactly true,
Dont demand anything from CCP! This dev team is the only one that hasnt turned into frecking robots (ie. EA, blizzard, sony) they dont tell you what you want to play, they listen and they put the content in at the request of players.
If youve been robbed of anything, its roughly (.30cents) of game time. Respect CCP, dont talk down to them..
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Gornax Garrul
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Posted - 2006.03.03 06:44:00 -
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Originally by: Forumite
Yikes! The internet should come with an instruction manual... or at least some equivalent of a "Driver's Safety" course for the web.
Ignorance is no excuse. Educate yourself in the ways of the vast communication web you use daily.
kthnx
I'd rather see a test. Kind of like a driver's test. First you must be able to understand and use your computer, then show a basic understanding of how the internet works. You know, basic stuff like how to start a command line or how a packet bounces from point A to point B.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.03.03 06:45:00 -
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Probably your firewall? Windows XP has a firewall by default. If you do use another firewall, then you have 2 firewalls in your system. The EvE executable has changed. Take note of the new icon too. Just add EvE to all of your firewalls settings.
HTH.
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KnifeyMcShanker
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Posted - 2006.03.03 06:49:00 -
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And all this could have been avoided if you had set a long (one day more more is what I usually do) skill training...
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Soulita
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Posted - 2006.03.03 06:56:00 -
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Edited by: Soulita on 03/03/2006 06:59:16
I d say 95% sure its your firewall.
Mine asked me to allow CCP Blue Framework.
After allowing that and restarting EvE everything worked fine.
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Syn Fatelyng
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Posted - 2006.03.03 06:58:00 -
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Any time there is a patch I make sure that I have a skill traing thats AT LEAST 2 days because you never know whats going to happen CCP owes nothing to anybody anyone that thinks so should quit playing MMO's. Patchs, hardware upgrades and Hotfixes go longer than expected about 80% of the time in any game. I have never played an MMO that has less down time over all than EvE and MMO's that I have played:
Ultima Online, Everquest, Everquest II, World of Warcraft, Shadowbane, Star Wars Galaxies, Final Fantasy XI, Silkroad online, Knight online, City of Heroes.
And over all CCP has outdone every developer I have dealt with
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Gee'Kin
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Posted - 2006.03.03 07:23:00 -
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STUPIDO .
Every patchday you should know not to put Skill training to finish the same day. As mentioned before. At least 2 days minimum. C'mon. Iam getting bored of these stupid "plz give me a day back.. bla bla " threads.
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Feta Solamnia
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Posted - 2006.03.03 07:26:00 -
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Why are people still trying to login after a patch?
You know it can only aggrevate you at best.
So sit tight, do something else and come back 2-3 days after a patch (or 5-7d after a content patch).
On the plus side, you can check the forums on your off-days and laugh with the general flames raging on 
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Admiral Keyes
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Posted - 2006.03.03 07:29:00 -
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Edited by: Admiral Keyes on 03/03/2006 07:29:18
A corp mate worked it out that a 8 hour unschedued downtime is only worth ú0.12p in british pounds (about $0.20c). Absolutely nothing. As for skills, you wont make the same mistake again will you 
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Dematone
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Posted - 2006.03.03 08:32:00 -
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Well, they have to.
I did not say they would have to do patches while I want to play. I subscribed for 30 days last time, so I want to actually play 30 days, not 29, and no, not 28 like it is this time - with two very long downtimes one after the other.
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Syn Fatelyng
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Posted - 2006.03.03 08:37:00 -
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Welcome to the wonderful world of Online Gaming all MMO's run into this problem if somone really feels they are getting ripped off because "the cant play" my best suggestion is cancel your account this is just part of MMO's ALL MMO's.
In my opinion CCP just does a better job than the majority
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F'nog
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Posted - 2006.03.03 08:44:00 -
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Originally by: Dematone
Edited by: Dematone on 03/03/2006 08:36:46
Well, they should have to.
And they already used to do it several times, at least before Exodus.
I did not say they would have to do patches while I want to play. I subscribed for 30 days last time, so I want to actually play 30 days, not 29, and no, not 28 like it is this time - with two very long downtimes one after the other.
That's nice. Read the EULA and then come back. You didn't actually subscribe to play for 30 days; you subscribed for the opportunity to play for UP TO 30 days. So yes, you subscribed to play 29, or even 28 days. If they wanted, they could have the game up 1 day/month and there's little you could do about it.
To be more helpful, they gave 2 free days in the 3 years of the game's existence. Both times were because of hardware/patch instability that lasted for several days on and off, though one was for a hardware upgrade that went longer than expected. If you can really complain about a few extra hours then you should stop playing MMOGs, because you're not gonna do better than this.
Originally by: Bl4zer
But, cmon, this is the Eve forums, we don't let facts get in the way of pointless speculation.
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FireFoxx80
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Posted - 2006.03.03 08:46:00 -
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Quite simply.
CCP will start giving back gametime in lieu of installing it's content updates; the same day that they start asking people to pay $19.99 for them.
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Posted - 2006.03.03 08:50:00 -
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ooo look i cant play for 1 hour each day, oooo look that adds up to a day and abit each month.... CCP GIVE ME A FREE DAY ONCE A MONTH.....
pathetic, and quite frankly SAD !!
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Crypt
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Posted - 2006.03.03 08:56:00 -
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That's nice. Read the EULA and then come back. You didn't actually subscribe to play for 30 days; you subscribed for the opportunity to play for UP TO 30 days. So yes, you subscribed to play 29, or even 28 days. If they wanted, they could have the game up 1 day/month and there's little you could do about it
You can take your money elsewhere. That usually sends a pretty straight forward response to a company. Ask Sony how they are doing with their game SWG and the revenue of that game because of their arrogance and not listening to the customer. Not that I'm saying CCP is even remotely similar to Sony nor are they anywhere near as arrogant, I'm just pointing out one option.
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Yukionna
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Posted - 2006.03.03 08:58:00 -
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Originally by: FireFoxx80
Quite simply.
CCP will start giving back gametime in lieu of installing it's content updates; the same day that they start asking people to pay $19.99 for them.
Damned good point.
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Voin
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Posted - 2006.03.03 09:17:00 -
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1-st off all:
Thanks to Dark Shikari, Coasterbrian, Jenny Spitfire and Soulita. Only you tried to help and see the real problem i posted this thread for...
2-d to those "clever boys" Forumite and Gornax Garrul: u spent such a lot word's instead to type what i really asked for. Specially to you: with computers i'm since 1987, i used to work on the computers wich probably needed more space than you both have in your flat/house. Yes, that computer used to work with card's, some similar mashine as you can see over there: IBM 702
I can tell you more, i used to play space game on programming engeneering calculator at 1985-1987.
Time i was asked about traceroute was 5 a.m. at my time, and i didnt read very carefully. Also i didn't use command promt for awile, thats why i forgot what i have to type in the "run" window.
3-d of all, to those that like to see just what they like to see. I feel sorry to those of you who interpreted my word's about 1 day back and "own" in money way... let me tell all of you how much i'm paying for internet per month, is ~ 100 $US. Do you really think, i'm care about coins in way you tried to mentioned???
I wish i could speak better English, to explaine everything to Copine Callmeknau, Idara to their very capacious letter...
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Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.03.03 09:20:00 -
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err... 'free expansion packs'?
They're just new content - its kinda necessary for an MMO to give people something new to do every so often, and if they started charging more for this they'd be hemorrhaging customers. Giving each content patch a different name dosen't make it a whole new game.
Which isn't to say they aren't great, and this isn't one of those pathetic 'I PAY FOR THIS GAME AND I WANT A FREE TITAN!!11" whinges, but don't mistake CCP's business sense for altruism.
no skills, just luck.
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rig0r
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Posted - 2006.03.03 09:26:00 -
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Edited by: rig0r on 03/03/2006 09:26:32
Originally by: Usul Faust
Which isn't to say they aren't great, and this isn't one of those pathetic 'I PAY FOR THIS GAME AND I WANT A FREE TITAN!!11" whinges, but don't mistake CCP's business sense for altruism.
Well said.
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Dematone
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Posted - 2006.03.03 09:29:00 -
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Originally by: F'nog
That's nice. Read the EULA and then come back. You didn't actually subscribe to play for 30 days; you subscribed for the opportunity to play for UP TO 30 days. So yes, you subscribed to play 29, or even 28 days. If they wanted, they could have the game up 1 day/month and there's little you could do about it.
Well, I can not remember such an agreement, last time they made me click the "accept" button below the EULA. Probably I skipped it.
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Pride NL
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Posted - 2006.03.03 09:51:00 -
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For starters you have to learn to set long skill training if the news tells you to do so.
Secondly you will have to learn that CCP patchdays do take a great amount of time and that you will rarely get anything back in form if ISK, $ or <insert nationwide currency here>.
However the hardware upgrade has given us great benefit of it all, so it would not be fair to ask anything back for it at all!
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F'nog
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Posted - 2006.03.03 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: Dematone
Originally by: F'nog
That's nice. Read the EULA and then come back. You didn't actually subscribe to play for 30 days; you subscribed for the opportunity to play for UP TO 30 days. So yes, you subscribed to play 29, or even 28 days. If they wanted, they could have the game up 1 day/month and there's little you could do about it.
Well, I can not remember such an agreement, last time they made me click the "accept" button below the EULA. Probably I skipped it.
From the EULA (note the bolded part):
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The Software, System, Game and all Game Content, and all other services and material provided in connection therewith, are provided "AS IS," with all faults, and without warranty of any kind. You assume all risk of use and all risk associated with accessing the System and playing the Game.
CCP disclaims all warranties, whether express or implied, including without limitation the warranties of merchantability, fitness for particular purpose and non-infringement. There is no warranty against interference with your enjoyment of the Game. CCP does not warrant that the operation of the System or your access to the System, or that your use of the Software, will be uninterrupted or error-free, nor that the System or Software will be compatible with your hardware and software.
While CCP attempts to have the System available at most times, CCP does not guarantee that the System will always be available, or that the System will not become unavailable during Game play. The System may become unavailable for a number of reasons, including without limitation during the performance of maintenance to the System, for the implementation of new software, for emergency situations and due to equipment or telecommunications failures.
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But, cmon, this is the Eve forums, we don't let facts get in the way of pointless speculation.
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M3ta7h3ad
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Posted - 2006.03.03 11:38:00 -
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The EULA isnt the issue here.
They are selling 30 day GTC or 1 month gametime packages. With no specification as to how long a month is, so it is assumed (in any court of law) that a month will be 30 days.
People often misquote the EULA as above.
What does cover their backs is the fact that skill training and game timers do not stop during a "downtime". Your character continues playing the game throughout every downtime period. Its non-interactive play, but its still playing.
So all this "read the EULA" *******s is as effective as the "free titans/gametime" whines.
CCP dont owe you anything as you still continued playing the game. Just because you never set your character something to do during the non-interactive period of play, and just because you find yourself (DUE TO YOUR OWN ISSUES) unable to connect. Does not mean you are justified in asking for compensation.
If you truely are having problems with connecting to the server, I would suggest doing a traceroute, or perhaps calling your ISP that your paying through the nose for, as they should quite happily be able to help you through any connection issues you may be having.
Also... my granddad (dead now :() Programmed using punchcard machines (think bletchley park style) for the government during WWII, give him a modern day PC and he'd be screwed.
Just because you were able to use what is now antique computer equipment does not suggest anything to your ability to use modern computer equipment. However not knowing how to access the command prompt, and not knowing what a traceroute is... does, so please do not get offended when people start suggesting the very sensible suggestion that there should be a "net safety test" to pass prior to gaining access to the net with an ISP, as you can see even in your case it would have helped you.
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Posted - 2006.03.03 11:45:00 -
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lets be honest, nobody actually reads EULAs, and anybody that claims they do is a goddamned liar.
no skills, just luck.
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Voin
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Posted - 2006.03.03 12:16:00 -
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Edited by: Voin on 03/03/2006 12:21:54
Edited by: Voin on 03/03/2006 12:20:01
Originally by: M3ta7h3ad
The EULA isnt the issue here.
They are selling 30 day GTC or 1 month gametime packages. With no specification as to how long a month is, so it is assumed (in any court of law) that a month will be 30 days.
People often misquote the EULA as above.
What does cover their backs is the fact that skill training and game timers do not stop during a "downtime". Your character continues playing the game throughout every downtime period. Its non-interactive play, but its still playing.
So all this "read the EULA" *******s is as effective as the "free titans/gametime" whines.
CCP dont owe you anything as you still continued playing the game. Just because you never set your character something to do during the non-interactive period of play, and just because you find yourself (DUE TO YOUR OWN ISSUES) unable to connect. Does not mean you are justified in asking for compensation.
If you truely are having problems with connecting to the server, I would suggest doing a traceroute, or perhaps calling your ISP that your paying through the nose for, as they should quite happily be able to help you through any connection issues you may be having.
Also... my granddad (dead now :() Programmed using punchcard machines (think bletchley park style) for the government during WWII, give him a modern day PC and he'd be screwed.
Just because you were able to use what is now antique computer equipment does not suggest anything to your ability to use modern computer equipment. However not knowing how to access the command prompt, and not knowing what a traceroute is... does, so please do not get offended when people start suggesting the very sensible suggestion that there should be a "net safety test" to pass prior to gaining access to the net with an ISP, as you can see even in your case it would have helped you.
Mostly i agreed with you except couple of thing's.
I didn't drop a word about EULA, in no one Post, cause i read it once and not very carefully, so i cann't operate with it so easy as you do.
Sorry to heard about your granddad, and i agree with you if you'll give to him modern PC he'ld be screwed with it, but in my situation since 1987 i didn't stop to working with computers: XT, AT 286\287, 386\387, 486\487, Pentium 90, 133, Pro and etc till novadays...
The "cmd" word just flew away from my memory, but some people just need a patch to make the elefant from the fly... I don't know why i just didnt go to the windows\system32\cmd straight away. Probably cause my Head was bigger than EARTH in that time, and what i got for the simple question?
To those (LOL peoples) who just like to loling at other with no reason, please don't stop in the thread u really don't have to say something helpfull, just continue to walk without any replyes!!!
I solved my problem at the late morning since i fault to sleep at 5-43 a.m. today, but other peoples still have a troubles with connection in other thread i linked earlier...
To those who spent so far so many time to searching for EULA and other thing's, please help to those peoples with real recommending and not with whining how bad am I...
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